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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 29, 2015 8:36:08 GMT -5
Looking back, the year 2000 seemed like a perfect time for Noel to do a little solo album. Have Oasis regroup in 2001.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2015 9:04:45 GMT -5
Dare I say what we all know to be true... the band became noticeably less awesome with the departure of Guigs and Bonehead. I'm not saying that they brought anything exceptional musically, but the whole vibe of what Oasis had created to that point kind of died. The band should have dropped out of the studio and waited an extra year before finishing SOTSOG. Then they could have taken the best tracks from both HC and SOTSOG and made a better album. In many ways SOTSOG's being forgotten vindicates Guigs and Boneheads departure. Overall it was a very weird period for the band and it came off as them grasping at straws when they really shouldn't have been. I say it all the time, and like you just mentioned, once Bonehead and Guigs left, everything changed forever. The band never had that same vibe again. Andy and Gem felt like hired guns, neither of them would ever be part of that magical Oasis period between 1994 and 1998. Yes they might be technically better than Bonehead and Guigs but the spirit was lost. I always chuckle when Noel says that Liam/Noel/Chris/Andy/Gem is his preferred Oasis lineup. Gimme a break Noel.  Clearly he can't remember any time pre-2000. Not surprising given the great amounts of mind altering substances he enjoyed previously.  |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Dec 29, 2015 16:18:02 GMT -5
Looking back, the year 2000 seemed like a perfect time for Noel to do a little solo album. Have Oasis regroup in 2001. I think if they had given Liam's rantings about Noel going solo at the time such as his Pinkpop interview that would have been it for Oasis. It wouldn't necessarily have been a bad thing, just different with Noel now probably on his fifth or six solo record, Liam possibly having gone solo or onto other things given that Gem and Andy were hired hand newcomers at the time rather than long time musical cohorts. It''s also entirely possible in that scenario that rather than discussing good and bad points to the post 2000 line up and output we would instead be discussing the Oasis reunion for Knebworth twentieth anniversary shows featuring the 1995-1999 line up. It's one of those things we will never know but I find fascinating to think how things might have panned out had they gone down the break up and Noel at least going solo route. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2015 16:59:45 GMT -5
The problem with the SOTSOG era is that there is way too much Noel's sung songs. I mean way too much to make into an Oasis album. And when you think about it, except GLIO, Gas Panic! and RIO, the Liam's sung songs of that time were pretty dull to say the least (Little James, PYMWYMI, ICSAL).
So the better idea was to go solo for a bit. It would have been quite an interesting experience for Noel,and maybe it would have changed everything for the Oasis post 2000. We'll never know...
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 29, 2015 18:37:25 GMT -5
T he problem with the SOTSOG era is that there is way too much Noel's sung songs. I mean way too much to make into an Oasis album. And when you think about it, except GLIO, Gas Panic! and RIO, the Liam's sung songs of that time were pretty dull to say the least (Little James, PYMWYMI, ICSAL). So the better idea was to go solo for a bit. It would have been quite an interesting experience for Noel,and maybe it would have changed everything for the Oasis post 2000. We'll never know... You nailed it right there my friend. |
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Dec 29, 2015 19:25:28 GMT -5
Absolutely. Apart from Noel being a complete twonk (which is very possible), Liam being unable to sing certain songs and Noel not wanting to dominate the album is the only explanation I can think of for him deciding to leave off Little By Little, Full On, Revolution Song and (supposedly a potential lead single) Force of Nature. I guess you could include Idler's Dream and a few other b-sides if wanted to too.
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Post by glider on Dec 29, 2015 23:18:34 GMT -5
Standing On the Shoulders of Giants - 2002 1. Fuckin' in the Bushes 2. Go Let it Out 3. Who Feels Love? 4. Where Did it All Go Wrong? 5. The Hindu Times (Demo version, Liam Vox) 6. Gas Panic! 7. Sunday Morning Call 8. Let's All Make Believe 9. Idler's Dream 10. Roll it Over End of. 1. Let's All Make Believe 2. Go Let It Out 3. Who Feels Love? 4. Full On (Liam vocals) 5. Gas Panic! 6. Little By Little (demo lyrics) 7. The Hindu Times (demo version, Liam vocals) 8. Where Did It All Go Wrong? 9. It's A Crime (Liam/Noel duet) 10. Roll It Over Hidden track: Solve My Mystery (AKA Revolution Song) |
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Post by World71R on Dec 30, 2015 0:41:14 GMT -5
Standing On the Shoulders of Giants - 2002 1. Fuckin' in the Bushes 2. Go Let it Out 3. Who Feels Love? 4. Where Did it All Go Wrong? 5. The Hindu Times (Demo version, Liam Vox) 6. Gas Panic! 7. Sunday Morning Call 8. Let's All Make Believe 9. Idler's Dream 10. Roll it Over End of. 1. Let's All Make Believe 2. Go Let It Out 3. Who Feels Love? 4. Full On (Liam vocals) 5. Gas Panic! 6. Little By Little (demo lyrics) 7. The Hindu Times (demo version, Liam vocals) 8. Where Did It All Go Wrong? 9. It's A Crime (Liam/Noel duet) 10. Roll It Over Hidden track: Solve My Mystery (AKA Revolution Song) Standing on the Shoulders of Heathen Chemists (2001): 1. Fuckin' in the Bushes
2. Go Let it Out
3. The Hindu Times (Demo)
4. Who Feels Love?
5. Let's All Make Believe
6. Where Did it All Go Wrong? (Demo)
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Post by mystoryisgory on Dec 31, 2015 17:16:30 GMT -5
Though it is the second best Oasis album of the 00's, the problem with SOTSOG is that it can't decide whether it wants to be a typical Oasis album or a more introspective, "hangover" album, more reflective of Noel's state of mind after the BHN era. Because of this conflict, it might have been better for Noel to release the more Oasis-like songs on two EP's and reserve the other songs for a solo record. The tracklistings could have looked like this: Oasis EP #1: Go Let It Out 1. Fuckin' in the Bushes 2. Go Let It Out 3. Who Feels Love? 4. Helter Skelter Oasis EP #2: Gas Panic! 1. I Can See a Liar 2. Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is 3. Gas Panic! 4. Full On Noel's Solo Album 1. Where Did It All Go Wrong? 2. Sunday Morning Call 3. Let's All Make Believe (sung by Noel) 4. (As Long as They've Got) Cigarettes in Hell 5. Just Getting Older 6. Idler's Dream 7. Revolution Song 8. One Way Road 9. Let There Be Love 10. Carry Us All 11. Roll It Over (sung by Noel) And there could be one single taken from Noel's album, Where Did It All Go Wrong? 1. Where Did It All Go Wrong? (album version) 2. Where Did It All Go Wrong? (demo) 3. Teotihuacan Noel's album does end up being extremely dreary and depressing, and it probably would turn off many Oasis fans. But that's the whole point of it being a solo record, right? I also wanted to include Gas Panic on Noel's album but the SOTSOG version with Liam is so perfect that there was no way that I would move it. Little James and Liam versions of LAMB and RIO would surface 20 years later on an Oasis anthology release.  |
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Post by underneaththesky on Jan 14, 2016 0:28:01 GMT -5
I Can See A Liar is fucking rocking.
same music/lyrics by The Who and everyone would be singing it proudly... cos who cares... REALLY?
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