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Post by tomlivesforever on May 3, 2013 18:26:36 GMT -5
I think people here started polarizing and hating both Liam (and Andy) after that infamous Noels press conference. They blamed Liam for being the cause of the break up of Oasis and that he is just not possible to work with, to get along with. They kinda have not seen, or didnt want to see, that all the band stayed with Liam, not Noel... and from the pics (i dont mean the recent album promo, but older pics from their vacations and parties) it seems, they enjoy being together, have a good time. Something that was not seen with Noel. Hell, he was even traveling alone on some stupid train, writing his stupid blog, while the whole band was traveling with Liam. So i guess it is not hard to figure out, who is the pain in the ass and who is the pleasant and enjoyable guy, who is fun and comfortable to be around. Hope you've got your flak jacket ready. |
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Post by downer on May 3, 2013 18:29:27 GMT -5
Dont know, what you mean.. i am getting ready for my pizza, which i am just about to take out of the oven. This will be one of the enjoyable nights!
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on May 3, 2013 18:46:16 GMT -5
I think what it comes down to on here is that a lot of posters only discovered Oasis long after their peak, so they missed out on the greatest frontman of his generation and grew up with the Kermit voice, Little James and the souring relationship with Noel. You could also say that if you've grown up in the 'mk II' era then you'd naturally gravitate more towards Noel than Liam as he hit his prime as a singer and was very media friendly, whereas Liam's voice deteriorated and he appeared a bit past it at times.
Personally I think it's madness. For me, Oasis was always about the anthems, the snarl, the attitude as well as the songwriting, I don't understand how somebody can claim to be such a massive Oasis fan whilst disliking, or at least not caring much for Liam. I totally understand having a favourite - I prefer Liam if pushed - but it's as if some on here see knocking Liam as a way of proving their loyalty to Noel, whereas I love both.
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Post by GlastoEls on May 3, 2013 18:56:58 GMT -5
There's SUCH a snark towards Beady Eye on these forums.
It's almost as though they recognize Noel as a superior songwriter, then pat themselves on the back for pointing it out. No shit, guys!
And how do they pat themselves on the back? Attacking Liam or Beady Eye.
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Post by yearzero on May 3, 2013 19:00:21 GMT -5
I think what it comes down to on here is that a lot of posters only discovered Oasis long after their peak, so they missed out on the greatest frontman of his generation and grew up with the Kermit voice, Little James and the souring relationship with Noel. You could also say that if you've grown up in the 'mk II' era then you'd naturally gravitate more towards Noel than Liam as he hit his prime as a singer and was very media friendly, whereas Liam's voice deteriorated and he appeared a bit past it at times. Personally I think it's madness. For me, Oasis was always about the anthems, the snarl, the attitude as well as the songwriting, I don't understand how somebody can claim to be such a massive Oasis fan whilst disliking, or at least not caring much for Liam. I totally understand having a favourite - I prefer Liam if pushed - but it's as if some on here see knocking Liam as a way of proving their loyalty to Noel, whereas I love both. Good points. As I always say, haters gonna hate. I prefer Noel myself, but I'm not going to excuse every single thing he does, nor am I going to start dumping all over Liam. I love both Noel and Liam. I don't know them personally of course, but they both seem like good guys, who make good music. And they're human, so give them a break! Both were integral to the success of Oasis. It would not be Oasis without one or the other. Also, I think it's sad that two brothers who shared so much together and were part of one of the biggest bands in the world, have now split, and that some fans are actually participating in maintaining and worsening this split! |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2013 19:08:16 GMT -5
I think what it comes down to on here is that a lot of posters only discovered Oasis long after their peak, so they missed out on the greatest frontman of his generation and grew up with the Kermit voice, Little James and the souring relationship with Noel. You could also say that if you've grown up in the 'mk II' era then you'd naturally gravitate more towards Noel than Liam as he hit his prime as a singer and was very media friendly, whereas Liam's voice deteriorated and he appeared a bit past it at times. Personally I think it's madness. For me, Oasis was always about the anthems, the snarl, the attitude as well as the songwriting, I don't understand how somebody can claim to be such a massive Oasis fan whilst disliking, or at least not caring much for Liam. I totally understand having a favourite - I prefer Liam if pushed - but it's as if some on here see knocking Liam as a way of proving their loyalty to Noel, whereas I love both. Good points. As I always say, haters gonna hate. I prefer Noel myself, but I'm not going to excuse every single thing he does, nor am I going to start dumping all over Liam. I love both Noel and Liam. I don't know them personally of course, but they both seem like good guys, who make good music. And they're human, so give them a break! Both were integral to the success of Oasis. It would not be Oasis without one or the other. Also, I think it's sad that two brothers who shared so much together and were part of one of the biggest bands in the world, have now split, and that some fans are actually participating in maintaining and worsening this split! But you see yearzero what you say makes sense but thats not what the posters who will continue to do cares about , and they will continue doing so , the demise of the forum is not in question as WEBBY alluded to this morning so all is well ...just sit back get some popcorn and enjoy or get some booze or blow like I used to do whatever you fancy but your very good opinion will not sway either side the stupidity will continue so do what I do enjoy the madness from the sideline WEBBY said all is well nobody is concerned so hey who am I to argue . Enjoy |
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Post by yearzero on May 3, 2013 19:13:59 GMT -5
Very true kalas. I would say most of this board is great, anyway. Just a few of the trolls/haters. I certainly don't let them get to me (there's far worse I've experienced, and it's not worth the energy to get riled up over something like this!). It's just too bad when they do end up spoiling it for other people. But like I said, the majority on here is great, and this forum is still in good shape.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2013 19:20:58 GMT -5
Very true kalas. I would say most of this board is great, anyway. Just a few of the trolls/haters. I certainly don't let them get to me (there's far worse I've experienced, and it's not worth the energy to get riled up over something like this!). It's just too bad when they do end up spoiling it for other people. But like I said, the majority on here is great, and this forum is still in good shape. Hey your preaching to the choir I have great friends here our mods eva mimmihopps get all the shit thrown at them pm s bitching and moaning about this or that , they play favorites .. Fact they do not i have been PLAYPENNED sticky has been PLAYPENNED. If you cross a line you cross a line. That's all THEY CAN DO. Idont care either about the hate but it's not up to us or the mods so enjoy |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on May 3, 2013 19:27:37 GMT -5
First of all, sorry its in the wrong forum. But why do so many people seem to hate Liam? He does come off as arrogant, and passes comments which some people find annoying but he is imo one of the greatest, and my favourite frontman of all time. He has all the qualities of a top frontman: style, attitude, voice etc.. I'm hoping his new album gets good reviews, he deserves it. I don't hate Liam. I like his attitude, his voice, his overall personality. He's cool. He is funny as hell when he's drunk and he's a hoot to watch when he is high. The "If you like me great, if you don't fook off" is just excellent. At the end of the day its just for publicity. It is the same reason Noel acts in the same manner. And don't even try to tell me Noel doesn't. Noel gives the impression of a well mannered, organised musciain, untel he opens his mouth in front of a camera and slags somebody off. But for whatever reason, Noel always gets away with it no matter how harsh his words. Liam on the other hand gets a barrage of hate messages. So to get to the point...Liam and Noel are both coonts when in front of a camera. And guess what? It sells. It promotes and it gets people talking. |
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Post by spaneli on May 3, 2013 19:57:26 GMT -5
I think people here started polarizing and hating both Liam (and Andy) after that infamous Noels press conference. They blamed Liam for being the cause of the break up of Oasis and that he is just not possible to work with, to get along with. They kinda have not seen, or didnt want to see, that all the band stayed with Liam, not Noel... and from the pics (i dont mean the recent album promo, but older pics from their vacations and parties) it seems, they enjoy being together, have a good time. Something that was not seen with Noel. Hell, he was even traveling alone on some stupid train, writing his stupid blog, while the whole band was traveling with Liam. So i guess it is not hard to figure out, who is the pain in the ass and who is the pleasant and enjoyable guy, who is fun and comfortable to be around. Would completely disagree. In the lead up to breakup there was definitely some polarization toward Liam. I remember the day after they broke up many people on this forum resigned themselves that Liam was to "blame". Secondly, last time I checked don't Noel and Gem still hang out and didn't they hang out before the split? So I guess Gem likes to be around pain in the asses?  Posts like these where one brother gets demonized is pretty much why this forum is the way it is. And if tomlivesforever meant that as "flack" then yea, this post deserved some. Because take out the spots where Noel's name is and put in Liam's and this post isn't much different from what people have talked about in this thread toward polarizing. I get the first point about the press conference and people are right when saying some of that event was petty by Noel. However, the last part of the above post is fairly hypocritical if one is to complain about polarizing. Because in the end polarizing is taking an extreme position and the last part of that post is an extreme position and a sweeping generalization. As has been happening to Liam on this forum. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2013 20:15:18 GMT -5
Everyone who's met him says he's a lovely bloke and he is a legend of rock and roll imo, a great frontman and a great character. truer words have never been spoken. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on May 4, 2013 3:20:59 GMT -5
I think people here started polarizing and hating both Liam (and Andy) after that infamous Noels press conference. They blamed Liam for being the cause of the break up of Oasis and that he is just not possible to work with, to get along with. They kinda have not seen, or didnt want to see, that all the band stayed with Liam, not Noel... and from the pics (i dont mean the recent album promo, but older pics from their vacations and parties) it seems, they enjoy being together, have a good time. Something that was not seen with Noel. Hell, he was even traveling alone on some stupid train, writing his stupid blog, while the whole band was traveling with Liam. So i guess it is not hard to figure out, who is the pain in the ass and who is the pleasant and enjoyable guy, who is fun and comfortable to be around. Would completely disagree. In the lead up to breakup there was definitely some polarization toward Liam. I remember the day after they broke up many people on this forum resigned themselves that Liam was to "blame". Secondly, last time I checked don't Noel and Gem still hang out and didn't they hang out before the split? So I guess Gem likes to be around pain in the asses? Posts like these where one brother gets demonized is pretty much why this forum is the way it is. And if tomlivesforever meant that as "flack" then yea, this post deserved some. Because take out the spots where Noel's name is and put in Liam's and this post isn't much different from what people have talked about in this thread toward polarizing. I get the first point about the press conference and people are right when saying some of that event was petty by Noel. However, the last part of the above post is fairly hypocritical if one is to complain about polarizing. Because in the end polarizing is taking an extreme position and the last part of that post is an extreme position and a sweeping generalization. As has been happening to Liam on this forum. No no spaneli I meant 'flak'. Was good to see Andy say about Noel's comments in Q. The more time that passes the more snide that press conference seems to me. |
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on May 4, 2013 3:32:12 GMT -5
Looks like an obese Danny Dyer. Wouldn't be surprised if it was Danny Dyer - you can't get a much bigger wanker than him so he would suit this style well. for me kinda looks like "Bono goes Pretty Green" |
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Post by manicsfan on May 4, 2013 4:56:31 GMT -5
I really dislike the hardcore Liam fans. They seem to be in their early 20's and are very militant about Liam and Beady Eye in general.
The older Oasis fan can give an honest and frank opinion of what Liam and Noel do.
I think as you get older you forget all about the "Ohhh he's so cool! "Such a rockstar" etc
And when it comes to gigs I wouldn't go to a BDI gig if you paid me.
The Oasis Slane gig in 2009 was horrific. Wall to wall Liam fans with their beer swilling and intimidating behaviour. And all in their late teens to early 20s.
I think Liam and his antics down through the years attract this element and BDI are quite welcome to the little thugs.
A good friend of mine had to leave a BDI gig due to the little shits causing trouble, but we'll leave them off because they are !mad 4 it!
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Post by Stemot on May 4, 2013 5:23:31 GMT -5
And when it comes to gigs I wouldn't go to a BDI gig if you paid me. Funny you say that because even though I like Noels solo stuff the thought of going to see him live would bore the tits off me. I've got Beady Eye tickets booked and I'm 34. Also, I remember the gigs from Oasis and apart from some little oiks throwing piss many of the people I met there were genuinely nice people up for a good time and a laugh and I expect nothing else from a Beady Eye gig. Such a massive generalization. |
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Post by manicsfan on May 4, 2013 5:44:42 GMT -5
And when it comes to gigs I wouldn't go to a BDI gig if you paid me. Funny you say that because even though I like Noels solo stuff the thought of going to see him live would bore the tits off me. I've got Beady Eye tickets booked and I'm 34. Also, I remember the gigs from Oasis and apart from some little oiks throwing piss many of the people I met there were genuinely nice people up for a good time and a laugh and I expect nothing else from a Beady Eye gig. Such a massive generalization. The gigs in Ireland got worse from 1996 on, saw them on every tour after that and scum wise they got worse and worse. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on May 4, 2013 5:56:04 GMT -5
I really dislike the hardcore Liam fans. They seem to be in their early 20's and are very militant about Liam and Beady Eye in general. The older Oasis fan can give an honest and frank opinion of what Liam and Noel do. I think as you get older you forget all about the "Ohhh he's so cool! "Such a rockstar" etc And when it comes to gigs I wouldn't go to a BDI gig if you paid me. The Oasis Slane gig in 2009 was horrific. Wall to wall Liam fans with their beer swilling and intimidating behaviour. And all in their late teens to early 20s. I think Liam and his antics down through the years attract this element and BDI are quite welcome to the little thugs. A good friend of mine had to leave a BDI gig due to the little shits causing trouble, but we'll leave them off because they are !mad 4 it! Been to a few Beady Eye gig's and they've had a brilliant atmosphere. Drink involved but not intimidating in anyway.I will be going to some Beady Eye gig's to drink a fair few beers and have a bit of a dance this time around. Going to a Noel gig seems like an expensive way to get a good night's sleep. |
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Post by cloudburster on May 4, 2013 6:00:42 GMT -5
And when it comes to gigs I wouldn't go to a BDI gig if you paid me. Funny you say that because even though I like Noels solo stuff the thought of going to see him live would bore the tits off me. I've got Beady Eye tickets booked and I'm 34. Also, I remember the gigs from Oasis and apart from some little oiks throwing piss many of the people I met there were genuinely nice people up for a good time and a laugh and I expect nothing else from a Beady Eye gig. Such a massive generalization. Saw Noel live and there were lots of middle aged couples and groups of old hens, and I was only about 10 rows back. 90% of the gig was just people standing still listening politely. I love Noel and that's alright if you like that sort of thing, but it bores me. Very methodical much like the last Oasis tour. Saw Beady Eye twice (once at Leeds Festival) and had a much better time on both occasions. Perhaps the fact that I found £100 left in a cash machine (no one was around before the moral police shout at me) at the Beady Eye gig has doctored my opinion, but nevertheless  |
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on May 4, 2013 6:01:13 GMT -5
i'm sad, that i haven't got the chance to see beady eye nor NGHFB. had tickets for Beady EYe but gig got canceled and i didn't want to go on a festival just for one act (NGHFB).
hope i will have the chance soon again .
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Post by GIMH on May 4, 2013 6:56:01 GMT -5
I think what it comes down to on here is that a lot of posters only discovered Oasis long after their peak, so they missed out on the greatest frontman of his generation and grew up with the Kermit voice, Little James and the souring relationship with Noel. You could also say that if you've grown up in the 'mk II' era then you'd naturally gravitate more towards Noel than Liam as he hit his prime as a singer and was very media friendly, whereas Liam's voice deteriorated and he appeared a bit past it at times.
Personally I think it's madness. For me, Oasis was always about the anthems, the snarl, the attitude as well as the songwriting, I don't understand how somebody can claim to be such a massive Oasis fan whilst disliking, or at least not caring much for Liam. I totally understand having a favourite - I prefer Liam if pushed - but it's as if some on here see knocking Liam as a way of proving their loyalty to Noel, whereas I love both. A million times this. Brilliant. Liam also seems less liked by North American fans, I find. |
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Post by manicsfan on May 4, 2013 6:59:41 GMT -5
Been into Oasis since I heard 'Whatever' on the radio when it was released so I grew up with Liam and find him after all these years to be just plain irritating.
He's a middle aged man trying to be 21 again. I thought he was cool in the 90's but as I matured as a person over the years I found/find most of his actions to be facepalm stuff.
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Post by Let It Bleed on May 4, 2013 7:04:03 GMT -5
Been into Oasis since I heard 'Whatever' on the radio when it was released so I grew up with Liam and find him after all these years to be just plain irritating. He's a middle aged man trying to be 21 again. I thought he was cool in the 90's but as I matured as a person over the years I found/find most of his actions to be facepalm stuff. Liam's never had to grow up....never really had a real job - maybe when he was really young but his life is a lot different than most. he's not gonna change, which is endearing to some and annoying to others. God bless. |
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Post by Bruno on May 4, 2013 8:08:19 GMT -5
Why do people take offence with what he does in his personal life? that's none of our business anyway. We're concerned with his music, concentrate on that and you'll find him great. Start dissecting every move he makes in his life and you'll grow to hate him as many many people on this forum have IMO.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2013 9:03:16 GMT -5
I think what it comes down to on here is that a lot of posters only discovered Oasis long after their peak, so they missed out on the greatest frontman of his generation and grew up with the Kermit voice, Little James and the souring relationship with Noel. You could also say that if you've grown up in the 'mk II' era then you'd naturally gravitate more towards Noel than Liam as he hit his prime as a singer and was very media friendly, whereas Liam's voice deteriorated and he appeared a bit past it at times.
Personally I think it's madness. For me, Oasis was always about the anthems, the snarl, the attitude as well as the songwriting, I don't understand how somebody can claim to be such a massive Oasis fan whilst disliking, or at least not caring much for Liam. I totally understand having a favourite - I prefer Liam if pushed - but it's as if some on here see knocking Liam as a way of proving their loyalty to Noel, whereas I love both. A million times this. Brilliant. Liam also seems less liked by North American fans, I find. You know GIMH it's funny I never thought about that. But to show you how it all depends on who you know I have many many uk friends from staying in UK so much and still keep in touch in some cases daily ...and it's just the opposite. I have no horse in the race ( pardon the pun but its Kentucky derby day ) but I am not a "team member" and I love both but my American friends love the wild Liam in general and my uk friends gun to head prefer Noel , just had to think of that and actually just messaged two mates both love Noel think Liam goes over the top I believe you typed noth America fans like Liam LESS well in my random sample and its more than a few , I find it opposite , go figure , I guess it proves its probably no matter where you live Liam is polarizing , I love him always will ditto for Noel , think any hate for either is either people getting off on getting rises out of some who let it , or people who like to stir the pot , either way I can't be bothered . |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on May 4, 2013 11:02:08 GMT -5
A million times this. Brilliant. Liam also seems less liked by North American fans, I find. You know GIMH it's funny I never thought about that. But to show you how it all depends on who you know I have many many uk friends from staying in UK so much and still keep in touch in some cases daily ...and it's just the opposite. I have no horse in the race ( pardon the pun but its Kentucky derby day ) but I am not a "team member" and I love both but my American friends love the wild Liam in general and my uk friends gun to head prefer Noel , just had to think of that and actually just messaged two mates both love Noel think Liam goes over the top I believe you typed noth America fans like Liam LESS well in my random sample and its more than a few , I find it opposite , go figure , I guess it proves its probably no matter where you live Liam is polarizing , I love him always will ditto for Noel , think any hate for either is either people getting off on getting rises out of some who let it , or people who like to stir the pot , either way I can't be bothered . Well, I am North American, Floridian to be exact and I prefer Liam over Noel. Perhaps it is a trend. |
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