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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2013 18:41:21 GMT -5
I still think Stop the Clocks is great. The album version of Record Machine is just silly. The choir has no place there.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 24, 2013 19:44:01 GMT -5
I still think Stop the Clocks is great. The album version of Record Machine is just silly. The choir has no place there. Fact: Noel Gallagher loves a good choir opportunity regardless of song context. I'm just glad he ditched the fake choirs a decade ago.  |
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Post by thefitnesskid1 on Feb 24, 2013 22:31:32 GMT -5
Noel had no business putting two Oasis songs onto his solo effort. Liam was THE voice of Oasis for a reason. I love Noel and I really don't mind him on stop the clocks (it being ONLY a b side for Oasis not a god dam A side because he can't take the time to write two more songs.) but Record Machine was made for Liam to sing. I'm not really surprised that any one of those Gallaghers half ass it. Oasis have made the second portion of their career half assing their work. I'll be surprised if either one of the brothers doesn't fuck something up. Than again whether or not they mess up on a project is subjective.
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Post by Bruno on Feb 24, 2013 22:40:44 GMT -5
Noel had no business putting two Oasis songs onto his solo effort. Liam was THE voice of Oasis for a reason. I love Noel and I really don't mind him on stop the clocks (it being ONLY a b side for Oasis not a god dam A side because he can't take the time to write two more songs.) but Record Machine was made for Liam to sing. I'm not really surprised that any one of those Gallaghers half ass it. Oasis have made the second portion of their career half assing their work. I'll be surprised if either one of the brothers doesn't fuck something up. Than again whether or not they mess up on a project is subjective. The point is those songs were written by Noel and remember this is now Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds so it doesn't matter if Liam was the voice of Oasis, he isn't the voice of NGHFB. If you're all about the fact that Noel shouldn't have used songs demoed during the Oasis period then in the same vein we wouldn't have got a Beady Eye debut album. So don't be eager to slag him off that quickly. |
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Post by spyrosfab4 on Feb 25, 2013 7:55:15 GMT -5
I prefer this remixed demo,with a bit more expansive sound and slightly faster..Although i believe that, since it shares virtually the same verse melody as ASGOG and the latter is a much better song,it should have been replaced by that song. |
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Post by Norbert Gallhager on Feb 25, 2013 8:14:27 GMT -5
They are probably my least favourite album tracks, along with Dream On. I always skip them.
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Post by MacaRonic on Feb 25, 2013 11:14:40 GMT -5
Record Machine: Demo Version > Album Version
Way more soul in the demo plus that bass line should've been kept. Album version is beyond over produced. Definitely tried too hard. I actually hate Sardy's production on most of the songs on NGHFB. If feels like all the songs (bar TDOYAM, SO(TWB)) are drowning in too much booming bass.
Stop The Clocks: Demo Version < Album Version
The demo is lifeless until the outro which is great but the song itself is very boring. The album version is also a bit ''meh'' but it's definitely better than the demo - most overrated, overhyped song ever.
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Post by Rolo on Feb 25, 2013 11:49:22 GMT -5
The general opinion here is that people prefer the demo's of these two songs to the album versions but I'm the opposite to that, I think the album version are far and way better than the demo versions.
Record Machine is a much better song than Stop The Clocks in my opinion but I'll always be longing for that 12 minute version with Liam on vocals that Noel talked about, if that ever leaked I genuinely don't know what I'd do.
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Post by Rifles on Feb 25, 2013 14:32:52 GMT -5
I prefer this remixed demo,with a bit more expansive sound and slightly faster..Although i believe that, since it shares virtually the same verse melody as ASGOG and the latter is a much better song,it should have been replaced by that song. Oh hey, the guy that ruins songs by speeding them up and adding a load of reverb is back. I will assume in your time away you've been turning the knobs at Abbey Road? Bono and McCartney must have heard your Oasis 'remixes' and started a bidding war for your services. |
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Post by shoes222 on Feb 25, 2013 14:34:24 GMT -5
The best version of Stop the Clocks is the Hong Kong soundcheck.
The best version of Record Machine (that we know of, still haven't heard the 10-minute long Oasis version) is the DBTT demo.
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Post by AKA... Frozen Eggroll on Feb 25, 2013 14:52:13 GMT -5
They're both great songs, far from shit. For me, STC album version is far more superior to the demo. The demo is just flat out boring and uninspiring. It's definitely one of the highlights of an already great album. As for RM, I think overall I prefer the demo more. It was stripped down enough to where all it really needed was better production. But the album version goes a bit overboard. It's still a great song, but kind of an overkill.
To me, there's no song on NGHFB that's shit. Just some songs are better produced than others. I mean, IIHAG is beautiful and there's no denying it's charm, but the production almost ruins it. The opposite could be said about WAL. It's a pretty boring song, that is saved for the most part by production, IMO.
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Post by Headmaster on Feb 25, 2013 19:40:50 GMT -5
I don't like both album versions, they are souless, RM with Liam singing would be better.
STC demo version is miles better, it's darker, menacing and with soul, however the album version became an overproduced pop song without those elements, maybe Sardy's fault.
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Post by korky on Feb 26, 2013 8:37:18 GMT -5
Easily two of Noel's worst songs. Always skip the two of 'em. Shouldn't have made it to the album, I think. Opinions? Welcome to 5yrs ago |
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Post by thefitnesskid1 on Feb 26, 2013 17:24:16 GMT -5
Noel had no business putting two Oasis songs onto his solo effort. Liam was THE voice of Oasis for a reason. I love Noel and I really don't mind him on stop the clocks (it being ONLY a b side for Oasis not a god dam A side because he can't take the time to write two more songs.) but Record Machine was made for Liam to sing. I'm not really surprised that any one of those Gallaghers half ass it. Oasis have made the second portion of their career half assing their work. I'll be surprised if either one of the brothers doesn't fuck something up. Than again whether or not they mess up on a project is subjective. The point is those songs were written by Noel and remember this is now Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds so it doesn't matter if Liam was the voice of Oasis, he isn't the voice of NGHFB. If you're all about the fact that Noel shouldn't have used songs demoed during the Oasis period then in the same vein we wouldn't have got a Beady Eye debut album. So don't be eager to slag him off that quickly. I completely understand where your coming from with that, I'm just saying that I would have preferred two more original songs (The Good Rebel ugh.... Should have taken whatever flashdrive that was on and cast it into the ocean.) I listen more to the NGHFB album than I do the Beady Eye record. I love the constancy of Noel's tracks and the general mood where as Team Liam was a bit hit and miss or all rather enjoyable tracks for a debut album from a new band, whatever way you look at it. I just thought we would get another "The Boy With The Blues" or a coffee shop jam like "The Nature Of Reality" ya know? I just thought when I saw Record Machine and Stop The Clocks I was like "Really....." I was just trying to be optimistic about my boys and expected I don't know what from them ya know? Maybe when Noel makes a new album in the next three years we'll get another great album. Anyway I am looking forward to the Beady Eye Record! |
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Post by Underneath the sky on Feb 26, 2013 18:50:00 GMT -5
The general opinion here is that people prefer the demo's of these two songs to the album versions but I'm the opposite to that, I think the album version are far and way better than the demo versions. Record Machine is a much better song than Stop The Clocks in my opinion but I'll always be longing for that 12 minute version with Liam on vocals that Noel talked about, if that ever leaked I genuinely don't know what I'd do. Agree with that. I think it's more the fact that these songs had been around for years so they didn't feel as fresh. Honestly think that if we'd only heard them the day the album was released then they would have been perceived a lot better. |
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Post by CF on Feb 26, 2013 19:46:50 GMT -5
Stop the clocks is pish and overhyped. Record machine is amazing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2013 20:46:05 GMT -5
[quote author=" mkoasis" source="/post/1021607/thread" timestamp="1361658142STC I think is better on NGHFB album than the demo for 1 simple reason: the outro. Way better than the demo outro too. However, the Zanzibar version is the best version of the song we have. [/quote] i have to respectfully disagree with you there. in my opinion, the outro on the demo version is the best part of the song... but on the album version, he ruined it... it sounds like a complete and utter mess. |
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Post by franklomax on Feb 26, 2013 21:10:24 GMT -5
The album version of STC is awful. The intro and verses have turned into a lullaby when the subject matter deals with death. And the outro and guitar solo ending were polished, commercial sounding, and awesome on the demo, but on the album it is nearly unlistenable.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2013 21:20:32 GMT -5
The album version of STC is awful. The intro and verses have turned into a lullaby when the subject matter deals with death. And the outro and guitar solo ending were polished, commercial sounding, and awesome on the demo, but on the album it is nearly unlistenable. for once you and i agree on something.... exactly, the outro on the demo cut like a razor and sounded so clean... the solo was great too.... but on the album version, wtf was noel thinking?? |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 26, 2013 22:16:16 GMT -5
The point is those songs were written by Noel and remember this is now Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds so it doesn't matter if Liam was the voice of Oasis, he isn't the voice of NGHFB. If you're all about the fact that Noel shouldn't have used songs demoed during the Oasis period then in the same vein we wouldn't have got a Beady Eye debut album. So don't be eager to slag him off that quickly. I completely understand where your coming from with that, I'm just saying that I would have preferred two more original songs (The Good Rebel ugh.... Should have taken whatever flashdrive that was on and cast it into the ocean.) I listen more to the NGHFB album than I do the Beady Eye record. I love the constancy of Noel's tracks and the general mood where as Team Liam was a bit hit and miss or all rather enjoyable tracks for a debut album from a new band, whatever way you look at it. I just thought we would get another "The Boy With The Blues" or a coffee shop jam like "The Nature Of Reality" ya know? I just thought when I saw Record Machine and Stop The Clocks I was like "Really....." I was just trying to be optimistic about my boys and expected I don't know what from them ya know? Maybe when Noel makes a new album in the next three years we'll get another great album. Anyway I am looking forward to the Beady Eye Record! That's a new ones...I never considered "The Nature of Reality" to be a coffee shop jam. Must be some bitchin coffee shops in your neck of the woods. |
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Post by freddy838 on Feb 27, 2013 8:05:40 GMT -5
My problem is that Noel clearly hates Stop The Clocks and the best reason he seemed to come up with for putting it on the album is that 'it's been around for so long that I needed to put it out' or something along those lines. Why not just put it as a b-side? Closing the album with it when he had Simple Game of Genius up his sleeve is utter madness and in line with a lot of his decisions. Record Machine I love as a song but the production does kill it a bit, though the whole album I'd say is almost more overblown than Be Here Now and really dents my enjoyment of it. Oasis's output would have been so much better if Noel could have given away some of his influence, he obviously wrote by far the best songs but wasn't that great at using them properly.
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Post by LlAM on Feb 27, 2013 8:53:47 GMT -5
The album version of STC is awful. The intro and verses have turned into a lullaby when the subject matter deals with death. And the outro and guitar solo ending were polished, commercial sounding, and awesome on the demo, but on the album it is nearly unlistenable. The Zanzibar version was shit. |
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Post by thoughtsandwords on Feb 27, 2013 13:00:11 GMT -5
Easily two of Noel's worst songs. Always skip the two of 'em. Shouldn't have made it to the album, I think. Opinions? it's true that they - along with soldier boys n jesus freaks - are my least favourite, and they rarely make the ipod playlist for me, but i wouldn't go so far as to say theyre shite - although stop the clocks imo is the biggest letdown ever for a long-unheard oasis tune - noel once said it was one of the best songs he's written... no lol |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2013 13:10:45 GMT -5
I will never understand the disappointment of people who let the hype and expectation overshadow their ears.
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Post by andymorris on Feb 27, 2013 18:19:04 GMT -5
Stop the Clocks is a filler track, end of the story. Whatever version we're talking about
Record machine could have been a great song, but NGFHB version is a bit of a miss, and DBTT version is unfinished. This song should have been a closer on DOYS, with Liam, that was the best fitting record for that song.
If Oasis ever reform and re-record, i wouldnt mind them having another go at it. Other bands have done that so why not... They could finally do that song justice.
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