This would all be a lot simpler if every collector just uploaded every bit of rare material they had. It seems like the problem is created by a few who want to hoard stuff to themselves, personally I think it's pathetic and if I even knew how to get into the trading game I would have no problem shelling out a load of cash and sharing with the community. After all I didn't make the music, it's not mine, it's just music and should be shared and enjoyed by everyone not hidden away and spoken about in hushed tones like Sauron's fucking ring!

The thing is you have to expect people to ask and go looking for more stuff if they know it's out there, we're huge fans, questions are going to be asked, that's just the way it is.

I completely understand it isn't as easy as people make it out to leak rare stuff and I will happily be patient until some more stuff gets released but I don't think you can blame for people asking questions and wanting more, it's only natural.

Some traders might have had instructions not to share the material, some might have put a lot of personal money into it and some might have negotiated for weeks or longer to sort a deal out. That's before being harassed on here by desperate fans and the risks that go along with leaking something.

As much as your rosy vision of a world where all hidden music is free and shared by everyone is appealing that's not the way it works.

I wonder how your entitlement to unreleased music would sit with Mr. N Gallagher.

I should say I've got no problem waiting a while for this to be released and I do appreciate the efforts of Joakim etc in trying to make something else happen but I do hate the way this whole trading game works in general and I do think a lot of traders do just hoard material to themselves to feel special or like more of a fan.

Ok if they've been told not to upload anything then that material should be forgotten about (This CD doesn't fall into that category) If the trader has put a lot of money into obtaining the CD then I'm sure they could set something up on here where they don't release the CD until they've been fully re paid by us forum members, I'm sure that wouldn't take long! As for negotiating with other traders to get more hidden music, as long as that person hasn't promised to not leak the material why are they keeping it to themselves in the first place?

I'd actually rather that when or if the CD ever does come out that the new songs aren't shared because I don't actually think we should be entitled to free unreleased material that could one day be released (not that it would stop me listening because I'm weak like that ) but I see no reason why we can't hear the demo's of the already released tracks that wouldn't affect Noel, or gig's like the Astoria etc Stuff that the label would never put out themselves!

Yea, when Oh Lord was released, the first thing I thought of was not that we had a new track, but that I hope people don't start hounding Joakim about where he got that track from.

I've seen it happen too often on this forum. It is embarrassing.

I've become less and less interested in some of these things being released. Don't get me wrong, when they are I'm extremely excited and happy. But I'm not broken up when we don't get things. As sacrilegious as it may sound, it's just a piece of music. And many times, an incomplete vision of that music.

Thanks for everyone who takes the time and effort to obtain and release or get more of this stuff.

Here's a clue as to "how to get into the trading game" - shell out a load of cash.
As you've said you're happy to do so, why don't you start now?
Or is it the fact that you're not willing to put in the time, effort, homework and, indeed, cash that other people on here are - you'd rather just download for free everything that others have worked hard for (and spend a lot of money on) and then slag them off if they won't give you more? Pathetic.

I've not actually slagged anyone in particular off and definitely not those on this forum who have legit reasons for keeping stuff. I haven't hounded anyone or sent pm's etc either I'm just trying to say how nice it would be if everything did work in the idealistic way I described (like it does in a lot of other bands communities, admittedly smaller bands)

If i wasn't unfortunate enough to live in such a shitty depressing area with limited job opportunities to earn over minimum wage I would be shelling out cash to try to get some material released, but if someone posted on here saying teh would release something as long as the community game them back what they paid for it I would have no problem paying anything up to £50 with the rest of the members on this board

So are you people in the know confident more than those demos could leak in the near future ? If so, can we do something to help ?

Let there be leak....Seriously though, Joakim you're gonna be my hero.

To be fair, these arguments and conversation are part of the regular cycle of forums. They'll happen before and they'll happen again. And in the end, anyone who wants to share will share, and those of you who don't, won't. I don't think people care if hoarders don't share, as long as those people aren't dangling a very visible and appetising carrot in front of people's faces. I'm well aware that there are Oasis-related materials that are in collectors hands that I'll very likely never hear. That's fine.

Just Let It Come Down Over Me was first mentioned around Don't Believe The Truth, in either MOJO or Select if I remember right and Come On Outside is Come On It's Alright, Noel mentioned it to Jeff Slate I believe.

The other two, no idea.

Monobraus right, lets talk about the song rather than leaking. If things do leak, like Come On Outside, I'm not sure if I want to hear it until the final studio versions. That said, the temptation will be too much I feel!

Come On Outside was meant to be the lead single of Dig Out Your Soul I remember reading. Some info here:

"He [Noel] had this brainstorm and within three days we had The Shock Of The Lightning, Falling Down and a song called Come On It's Alright which was gonna be a single but we never finished it."
(Andy Bell, Q Magazine, October 2008)

"A fucking great song with a 50-piece choir on it! But unfortunately fuckin' Liam decided to go and get married so we didn't finish it. It's a bit like 'Hello' I guess, off 'Morning Glory'. It could have been the first single - it's very catchy, it's great! It's really, really great. I'm really pleased… but we didn't even get to mix it because Fuckface went off, pissed off for a week. So we didn't bother."
(Noel Gallagher, interview for oasisgeneration.com, January 2009)