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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2014 9:15:51 GMT -5
Coldplay and Radiohead both have more airplay and greater success here simply because as I have said a thousand times over ad nauseum , they played the game here , OADIS did not ....over here if you don't play the game you don't get played ( much like payola in the 70 s ) that's why during DBTT promi tour a well known ny DJ interviewing Noel stated " good your back together after all these years " Noel sorta chuckled .....Coldplay plays game perfect and they get TV shows to promote ghost stories , Oasis simply weren't that phony I sorta agree with you Kalas. Coldplay plays the game and they play it very well but how does Radiohead play the game? They don't really release music videos. They barely do any on camera interviews and print interviews are few and far between compared to most bands when promoting an album. Shit.....Kid A had no singles and still went #1 in USA and UK. If you watch their documentary Meeting People Is Easy you will realize that Thom avoids the spotlight whenever possible. Let's put it this way they play it better than oasis not as good as Coldplay , they seem to embrace being , the anti social band in mid to late 90 s , they were the rage of the Washington square park crowd back then , you are right they don't play it like Coldplay nor do they kiss ass , but even they were more accessible and liked by the " insiders " who play music than Oasis |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2014 9:17:44 GMT -5
And as you know Lennon2217 I like Radiohead , not Coldplay but I like Radiohead , They just got more airplay maybe being anti social helped ?? Certainly the Gallagher bravado did not in states  |
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Post by lahaine on May 22, 2014 9:49:59 GMT -5
Radiohead piss all over Oasis.     words fail me! why's that so shocking? |
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 22, 2014 9:53:23 GMT -5
Some people still treat music like it's supporting a football club. You can and should like a variety of offerings in the world of music. So much great material out there not to. Or maybe he just hasn't heard The Bends, Ok Computer, Kid A or In Rainbows.  |
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Post by lahaine on May 22, 2014 9:55:52 GMT -5
Coldplay and Radiohead both have more airplay and greater success here simply because as I have said a thousand times over ad nauseum , they played the game here , OASIS did not ....over here if you don't play the game you don't get played ( much like payola in the 70 s ) that's why during DBTT promi tour a well known ny DJ interviewing Noel stated " good your back together after all these years " Noel sorta chuckled .....Coldplay plays game perfect and they get TV shows to promote ghost stories , Oasis simply weren't that phony ,and they didn't care . Why I love em Having you seen Meeting People is Easy? Radiohead especially Thom Yorke don't play the game Kalas, they didn't even promote Kid A that well and it got to number 1. I'm fed up with this Oasis didn't play the game shit, Noel wanted to break America more then anybody, you can't call yourself the biggest band in the world without topping the States. They did it there way, spitting thing at MTV awards got them attention and shit like that. Oasis did alright in the states, the simple truth is America just didn't love Oasis more then they did Radiohead or Coldplay, Pure and simple. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 22, 2014 9:59:05 GMT -5
Coldplay and Radiohead both have more airplay and greater success here simply because as I have said a thousand times over ad nauseum , they played the game here , OASIS did not ....over here if you don't play the game you don't get played ( much like payola in the 70 s ) that's why during DBTT promi tour a well known ny DJ interviewing Noel stated " good your back together after all these years " Noel sorta chuckled .....Coldplay plays game perfect and they get TV shows to promote ghost stories , Oasis simply weren't that phony ,and they didn't care . Why I love em Having you seen Meeting People is Easy? Radiohead especially Thom Yorke don't play the game Kalas, they didn't even promote Kid A that well and it got to number 1. I'm fed up with this Oasis didn't play the game shit, Noel wanted to break America more then anybody, you can't call yourself the biggest band in the world without topping the States. They did it there way, spitting thing at MTV awards got them attention and shit like that. Oasis did alright in the states, the simple truth is America just didn't love Oasis more then they did Radiohead or Coldplay, Pure and simple. Oasis was certainly playing the game in America between 1994 and 2000. Countless tours. Appearing on every TV outlet. Getting gigs on MTV Unplugged and MTV Music Awards. Those are big time gets. Oasis was huge in America in 1995-1996. Noel definitely exploited it as much as possible. Even for SOTSOG they toured the states heavily, did holiday festival circuit, Behind The Music special, appeared on MTV, VH1, Fuse, Much Music, etc. The difference is the world stopped caring. Then they had no interest in having Oasis on as much moving forward. |
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Post by lahaine on May 22, 2014 10:01:33 GMT -5
Some people still treat music like it's supporting a football club. You can and should like a variety of offerings in the world of music. So much great material out there not to. Or maybe he just hasn't heard The Bends, Ok Computer, Kid A or In Rainbows. The thing is I'm not a massive fan of Radiohead but to say Oasis were a better band is silly, I will stand by Oasis when it comes to their first three albums and I thought DBTT was fine but everything else for me was below average and samey. Noel's Solo album was the best thing he did since the mid 90's. Radiohead have gone on to release four top class albums each different to the next and be looked upon musical innovators. Still think Thom Yorke is a moany git but he's a genius as is Johnny Greenwood that soundtrack to There will be Blood is amazing. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 22, 2014 10:03:52 GMT -5
Some people still treat music like it's supporting a football club. You can and should like a variety of offerings in the world of music. So much great material out there not to. Or maybe he just hasn't heard The Bends, Ok Computer, Kid A or In Rainbows. The thing is I'm not a massive fan of Radiohead but to say Oasis were a better band is silly, I will stand by Oasis when it comes to their first three albums and I thought DBTT was fine but everything else for me was below average and samey. Noel's Solo album was the best thing he did since the mid 90's. Radiohead have gone on to release four top class albums each different to the next and be looked upon musical innovators. Still think Thom Yorke is a moany git but he's a genius as is Johnny Greenwood that soundtrack to There will be Blood is amazing. I for the most part agree. Oasis will always be my favorite band that I grew up with but Radiohead are literally right behind them. They continued to soar, grow and challenge the listener. Oasis after 2000 was paint by the numbers and incredible stale, especially live. They should have been blowing the roofs off. So much great material to be played. They needed to vary setlists big time. |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2014 10:06:42 GMT -5
Coldplay and Radiohead both have more airplay and greater success here simply because as I have said a thousand times over ad nauseum , they played the game here , OASIS did not ....over here if you don't play the game you don't get played ( much like payola in the 70 s ) that's why during DBTT promi tour a well known ny DJ interviewing Noel stated " good your back together after all these years " Noel sorta chuckled .....Coldplay plays game perfect and they get TV shows to promote ghost stories , Oasis simply weren't that phony ,and they didn't care . Why I love em Having you seen Meeting People is Easy? Radiohead especially Thom Yorke don't play the game Kalas, they didn't even promote Kid A that well and it got to number 1. I'm fed up with this Oasis didn't play the game shit, Noel wanted to break America more then anybody, you can't call yourself the biggest band in the world without topping the States. They did it there way, spitting thing at MTV awards got them attention and shit like that. Oasis did alright in the states, the simple truth is America just didn't love Oasis more then they did Radiohead or Coldplay, Pure and simple. Think you miss my point by being ALLOOF and non caring ( seemingly ) that is part of the game and attracted them to the gen x crowd then as well, as for Noel wZnting to be biggest , yes ! But the bravado that worked so well , the cancelled gigs , apt hat were overlooked in UK the fucking off interviews that were adored in the UK ..... Fucked them there they were essentially blackballed whether you believe it or not ,,,,I really don't care either way life is too important at the moment , but I know what I am speaking of here , I lived thru it and actually was told by radio people they won't play oasis ....so FairPlay to your points lahanie . I respectfully say I disagree |
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Post by lahaine on May 22, 2014 10:10:26 GMT -5
Having you seen Meeting People is Easy? Radiohead especially Thom Yorke don't play the game Kalas, they didn't even promote Kid A that well and it got to number 1. I'm fed up with this Oasis didn't play the game shit, Noel wanted to break America more then anybody, you can't call yourself the biggest band in the world without topping the States. They did it there way, spitting thing at MTV awards got them attention and shit like that. Oasis did alright in the states, the simple truth is America just didn't love Oasis more then they did Radiohead or Coldplay, Pure and simple. Oasis was certainly playing the game in America between 1994 and 2000. Countless tours. Appearing on every TV outlet. Getting gigs on MTV Unplugged and MTV Music Awards. Those are big time gets. Oasis was huge in America in 1995-1996. Noel definitely exploited it as much as possible. Even for SOTSOG they toured the states heavily, did holiday festival circuit, Behind The Music special, appeared on MTV, VH1, Fuse, Much Music, etc. The difference is the world stopped caring. Then they had no interest in having Oasis on as much moving forward. That's why Noel admires and has even said he wanted Oasis to be like Coldplay in terms of been an Universal loved band. Even Blur The Smiths and The Stone Roses were liked but never really loved in The States, My favourite band at the moment Arctic Monkeys have broken through after constant touring and building up their fanbase and doing all those radio and Tv promotion. It's a tough old country to break, Coldplay were just one of those bands that American's love. Oasis were too in you're face plus they were a very British band to be fair. |
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Post by lahaine on May 22, 2014 10:13:48 GMT -5
Having you seen Meeting People is Easy? Radiohead especially Thom Yorke don't play the game Kalas, they didn't even promote Kid A that well and it got to number 1. I'm fed up with this Oasis didn't play the game shit, Noel wanted to break America more then anybody, you can't call yourself the biggest band in the world without topping the States. They did it there way, spitting thing at MTV awards got them attention and shit like that. Oasis did alright in the states, the simple truth is America just didn't love Oasis more then they did Radiohead or Coldplay, Pure and simple. Think you miss my point by being ALLOOF and non caring ( seemingly ) that is part of the game and attracted them to the gen x crowd then as well, as for Noel wZnting to be biggest , yes ! But the bravado that worked so well , the cancelled gigs , apt hat were overlooked in UK the fucking off interviews that were adored in the UK ..... Fucked them there they were essentially blackballed whether you believe it or not ,,,,I really don't care either way life is too important at the moment , but I know what I am speaking of here , I lived thru it and actually was told by radio people they won't play oasis ....so FairPlay to your points lahanie . I respectfully say I disagree Ah thanks for replying, as I said Oasis just weren't to many American's taste, they weren't the first British band and they won't be the last to suffer that but at least they attained some success. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 22, 2014 10:20:07 GMT -5
Oasis was certainly playing the game in America between 1994 and 2000. Countless tours. Appearing on every TV outlet. Getting gigs on MTV Unplugged and MTV Music Awards. Those are big time gets. Oasis was huge in America in 1995-1996. Noel definitely exploited it as much as possible. Even for SOTSOG they toured the states heavily, did holiday festival circuit, Behind The Music special, appeared on MTV, VH1, Fuse, Much Music, etc. The difference is the world stopped caring. Then they had no interest in having Oasis on as much moving forward. That's why Noel admires and has even said he wanted Oasis to be like Coldplay in terms of been an Universal loved band. Even Blur The Smiths and The Stone Roses were liked but never really loved in The States, My favourite band at the moment Arctic Monkeys have broken through after constant touring and building up their fanbase and doing all those radio and Tv promotion. It's a tough old country to break, Coldplay were just one of those bands that American's love. Oasis were too in you're face plus they were a very British band to be fair. I think Oasis was much bigger than Arctic Monkeys ever were in the USA. |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2014 10:21:32 GMT -5
Think you miss my point by being ALLOOF and non caring ( seemingly ) that is part of the game and attracted them to the gen x crowd then as well, as for Noel wZnting to be biggest , yes ! But the bravado that worked so well , the cancelled gigs , apt hat were overlooked in UK the fucking off interviews that were adored in the UK ..... Fucked them there they were essentially blackballed whether you believe it or not ,,,,I really don't care either way life is too important at the moment , but I know what I am speaking of here , I lived thru it and actually was told by radio people they won't play oasis ....so FairPlay to your points lahanie . I respectfully say I disagree Ah thanks for replying, as I said Oasis just weren't to many American's taste, they weren't the first British band and they won't be the last to suffer that but at least they attained some success. I agree And they also weren't to the taste of programmers of radio years ago man I started a petition like in 04 and was flat out told by 104.3 that oasis we not considered classic rock ! yet others from that era pearl jam stp. the verve , were !!! Maddening |
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Post by WirralRiddler on May 22, 2014 10:33:16 GMT -5
I'm not angry, I'm just disappointed It's not you it's them that are wrong Tell 'em to take out their tongues And bring on the backlash!  I just don't like seeing 'Radiohead piss all over Oasis' at the best of times, let alone on this site. Just seems wrong to me. I actively hate radiohead I will admit that. I just dont get it, it runs deeper than just the music for me (i dont rate their music either) but for me to really like a band i have to be able to buy into it, you know? To understand where the artist is coming from. Having a cool look and attitude also help IMO and Radiohead fall well short in many ways, to me. Would you say Radiohead piss all over Arctic Monkeys too? |
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Post by defmaybe00 on May 22, 2014 14:08:14 GMT -5
I'm not angry, I'm just disappointed It's not you it's them that are wrong Tell 'em to take out their tongues And bring on the backlash! I just don't like seeing 'Radiohead piss all over Oasis' at the best of times, let alone on this site. Just seems wrong to me. I actively hate radiohead I will admit that. I just dont get it, it runs deeper than just the music for me (i dont rate their music either) but for me to really like a band i have to be able to buy into it, you know? To understand where the artist is coming from. Having a cool look and attitude also help IMO and Radiohead fall well short in many ways, to me. Would you say Radiohead piss all over Arctic Monkeys too? No, but he'd say Arctic Monkeys piss all over Oasis |
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Post by Let It🩸 on May 22, 2014 15:35:56 GMT -5
Oasis, even considering the walkouts, spitting on stages, open drug use - back in the 90's not many bands were that open about using drugs, being very british, never released any albums after and as great as Definitely Maybe and as commercial as (What's the Story) Morning Glory? and that's why they never "conquered" america.
God bless.
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Post by jaq515 on May 22, 2014 15:41:56 GMT -5
I've said this many times over and no disrespect to our cousins but it really only North Americans that really care about oasis' heritage there.
Like the the u.s moved on in 96 about oasis, oasis long moved on and even at the end in 08/09 were still selling out over 1/2 million tickets in the uk and headlining festivals around Europe, and selling out big gigs for the rest of the world.
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Post by Rain on May 22, 2014 15:48:40 GMT -5
Simple, nothing was bigger than the 90's than Nirvana and Oasis. Radiohead most likely 10 or lower on biggest impact bands of the 90's. Don't get me wrong OK Computer album was decent, but RHCP, Smashing Pumpkins, Pearl Jam and more had bigger impact. This is why I can't compare Oasis to Radiohead.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2014 18:48:37 GMT -5
Simple, nothing was bigger than the 90's than Nirvana and Oasis. Radiohead most likely 10 or lower on biggest impact bands of the 90's. Don't get me wrong OK Computer album was decent, but RHCP, Smashing Pumpkins, Pearl Jam and more had bigger impact. This is why I can't compare Oasis to Radiohead. I agree with Rain , as usual spot on IMO |
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 23, 2014 9:05:41 GMT -5
Simple, nothing was bigger than the 90's than Nirvana and Oasis. Radiohead most likely 10 or lower on biggest impact bands of the 90's. Don't get me wrong OK Computer album was decent, but RHCP, Smashing Pumpkins, Pearl Jam and more had bigger impact. This is why I can't compare Oasis to Radiohead. I guess it all depends where you live. Pearl Jam were absolutely mega in the USA between 1991 and 1999. Nirvana obviously imploded, Pumpkins took a tremendous tumble after Adore (An album I love but the public hated). Same could be said for Oasis in America too. After Morning Glory, they basically disappeared. I still to this day meet people who never knew Be Here Now or anything after it existed and that the band broke up on the Morning Glory tour. It's unreal yet true. |
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Post by Rain on May 23, 2014 13:11:50 GMT -5
Simple, nothing was bigger than the 90's than Nirvana and Oasis. Radiohead most likely 10 or lower on biggest impact bands of the 90's. Don't get me wrong OK Computer album was decent, but RHCP, Smashing Pumpkins, Pearl Jam and more had bigger impact. This is why I can't compare Oasis to Radiohead. I guess it all depends where you live. Pearl Jam were absolutely mega in the USA between 1991 and 1999. Nirvana obviously imploded, Pumpkins took a tremendous tumble after Adore (An album I love but the public hated). Same could be said for Oasis in America too. After Morning Glory, they basically disappeared. I still to this day meet people who never knew Be Here Now or anything after it existed and that the band broke up on the Morning Glory tour. It's unreal yet true. The list can go on and even Hootie and Blowfish "Cracked Rear View" album out sold most bands mentioned with just with sales of one album in US. Most here say they don't like them, you don't have to love the artist fully to like a album. The 90's had a lot of great bands and major albums influence that decade. Most can not denied Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness impact or Ten. For me, most underrated album of the 90's is Foo Fighters "The Colour and the Shape", because that album you can listen without skipping a track. Radiohead was good and not trying underrate them, but after OK Computer came out and the time 98' rolled on in. Most US youth was all about The Offspring "Americana." |
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Post by lahaine on May 23, 2014 19:33:44 GMT -5
That's why Noel admires and has even said he wanted Oasis to be like Coldplay in terms of been an Universal loved band. Even Blur The Smiths and The Stone Roses were liked but never really loved in The States, My favourite band at the moment Arctic Monkeys have broken through after constant touring and building up their fanbase and doing all those radio and Tv promotion. It's a tough old country to break, Coldplay were just one of those bands that American's love. Oasis were too in you're face plus they were a very British band to be fair. I think Oasis was much bigger than Arctic Monkeys ever were in the USA. AM has broken them pretty big in the states with headlining Gigs in Arena's to be fair and they had a number 1 single with Do you Wanna know. They ain't too far behind Lennon if there next release is another classic then they will break big time. But Oasis only really troubled the States with WTSMG (thanks to Wonderwall) and BHN but yeah Oasis probably made more of a splash as they had a number 2 album there but Monkeys will be bigger States side you can trust me on that one. |
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Post by lahaine on May 23, 2014 19:41:44 GMT -5
Simple, nothing was bigger than the 90's than Nirvana and Oasis. Radiohead most likely 10 or lower on biggest impact bands of the 90's. Don't get me wrong OK Computer album was decent, but RHCP, Smashing Pumpkins, Pearl Jam and more had bigger impact. This is why I can't compare Oasis to Radiohead. Pearl Jam and Smashing Pumpkins were massive but nah Oasis have had more of a impact badly in my view on British Music, only Arctic Monkeys and Kasabian are the only British bands influenced by them that are worth anything. Ok computer wasn't decent Rain, it's a classic for good reason. Radiohead have had a far more influence then Pearl Jam and Smashing Pumpkins. Coldplay can base their whole career around Fake plastic Trees and Street spirit, R.E.M made UP cause of what Radiohead did and you can say a few others too. Radiohead, Oasis and Nirvana are the three bands that made a mark on the 90's, I'd also add Jeff Buckley to that list too. Rain you undermine Radiohead massively seen as they made the two best albums of the 90's. |
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Post by lahaine on May 23, 2014 19:53:17 GMT -5
Oasis, even considering the walkouts, spitting on stages, open drug use - back in the 90's not many bands were that open about using drugs, being very british, never released any albums after and as great as Definitely Maybe and as commercial as (What's the Story) Morning Glory? and that's why they never "conquered" america. God bless. Plus the American's were listening to awful winy wafer thin grunge rock, MOR rock and soon rap and rap metal like limp Bizkit, only a few got it like The Killers and some of the American fan's on this boar but sadly Oasis and America didn't mix.
The American's were never as cool as the British Band's, only Nirvana you could say were cool but even Cobain downbeat depressing mood and heroin use was pathetic, never bought into that side of his legend. Great songwriter and guitarist but he was never like the Gallaghers, who looked cool, loved the fame, took a load of drugs and weren't ashamed in making millions. Yeah the American's and Glam metal period but those bands sucked only Gun's n Roses had it but they became silly too thanks to Axl. Although the "mad for it" thing became tiring after 97, they were a breath of fresh air but they were very very British and they are everything the American's hate, they didn't give a fuck what anyone thought and they said it.
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Post by Headmaster on May 23, 2014 20:28:32 GMT -5
I think Oasis was much bigger than Arctic Monkeys ever were in the USA. AM has broken them pretty big in the states with headlining Gigs in Arena's to be fair and they had a number 1 single with Do you Wanna know. They ain't too far behind Lennon if there next release is another classic then they will break big time. But Oasis only really troubled the States with WTSMG (thanks to Wonderwall) and BHN but yeah Oasis probably made more of a splash as they had a number 2 album there but Monkeys will be bigger States side you can trust me on that one. WTSMG alone sold 4 millons in USA, if you put togheter the 5 AM albums they didn't sold nearly as half as MG in USA I guess, I will not even mention that BHN and DM sold a lot in USA too, AM also didn't have a song as popular as Wonderwall is in USA, hell, Wonderwall must be the most popular song of the last 20 years worldwide. Oasis and AM lived in very different times, til the 90's a band to broke in USA had to has great albums and memorable songs, nowadays, thanks to internet, any hyped indie band can get a Billboard Top 10. Funny is that in this thread we are all talking about great bands like Coldplay, Oasis and Radiohead, and then people mention Arctic Monkeys, can't understand that. With luky AM will be remembered as a great britsh band alongside Radiohead/Oasis/Coldplay, bands which achieved great feats and are already campared with great britsh bands like The Beatles, Rolling Stones and The Who, but for now AM are still your everyday indie band, they need to start writting memorable songs and classic albums, Arctic Monkeys still has a looooong road for this, let's see if they will. |
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