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The Verve
Jun 19, 2020 1:59:44 GMT -5
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Post by captainnorth on Jun 19, 2020 1:59:44 GMT -5
Nick and Richard's conflict was always on the creative end - hence why he was fired from the band after A Northern Soul and Richard had to swallow his pride and ask him back for Urban Hymns. Si and Richard's problems are much more personal, their wives involved, etc. Plus, Si is Nick's best friend so that's another thing. Thanks for filling me in. Si always seems like such a nice, down to earth guy, especially after hearing the UH reissue interview with Nick McCabe on XFM where they do a track by track. Do you have a link to this interview please? |
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The Verve
Jun 19, 2020 9:32:41 GMT -5
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Post by mkoasis on Jun 19, 2020 9:32:41 GMT -5
Thanks for filling me in. Si always seems like such a nice, down to earth guy, especially after hearing the UH reissue interview with Nick McCabe on XFM where they do a track by track. Do you have a link to this interview please? Here you go. |
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Post by captainsoul on Jun 27, 2020 7:40:36 GMT -5
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Post by captainsoul on Jul 30, 2020 16:31:58 GMT -5
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Post by Jack on Oct 13, 2020 21:01:16 GMT -5
Alternate video for Bittersweet Symphony, where Richard gets beaten up and different ending.
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 14, 2020 6:30:34 GMT -5
Listened to "The Sun, the Sea" on a walk the other day, what a massive piece of music. That whole first album has a gothic feel for me, mostly because I associate it with Carlos Ruiz Zafon's Cemetery of Forgotten Books trilogy, which I was reading when I got into the band. I know it's shoegaze out of Wigan, but for me it's all about about sad stories and doomed love in historical Barcelona. That picture with the CD of them all in a graveyard didn't help, either.
Anyway, might listen to A Northern Soul on today's walk.
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Post by glider on Oct 14, 2020 9:42:29 GMT -5
Alternate video for Bittersweet Symphony, where Richard gets beaten up and different ending. Great to finally see this. Overall, better choice with the released version - it has more of a swagger and the rest of the band joining in at the end. |
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The Verve
Sept 10, 2021 9:04:52 GMT -5
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Post by glider on Sept 10, 2021 9:04:52 GMT -5
Fucking hell i need to take math again! Here's how it should have read.  A Northern Soul is just too good for me to rank it above ASIH. I do rank it in my Top 10 albums ever (unlike WTSMG  ) As much as I love ASIH there are parts that can put me to sleep, especially on Virtual World. Meanwhile, we got beasts like: A New Decade This Is Music So It Goes Brainstorm Interlude No Knock On My Door (Reprise) that ROAR! Virtual World is unskippable - what was I thinking? My musical palette being expanded by the end of that year helped me dig out of that Oasis tunnel vision phase that plagued me for a couple of years was a blessing. |
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Post by Day Tripper on Sept 11, 2021 6:25:02 GMT -5
Virtual World is unskippable - what was I thinking? My musical palette being expanded by the end of that year helped me dig out of that Oasis tunnel vision phase that plagued me for a couple of years was a blessing. I cringe to think of some of the musical opinions I must have put on here before realising that music other than white rock bands was worth listening to sometime around 2016/2017. I remember pretending to hate A Sky Full of Stars when it came out because it sounded like pop, but secretly wanting to sing along every time I heard it. On the other hand, it is interesting to have a internet record of your tastes broadening and to be able to look back like what the fuck was I thinking?!There was a recent interview from Jason Pierce - which also revealed that a new Spiritualized album will be out early next year - where he gave his own view on this very subject: aquariumdrunkard.com/2021/09/08/spiritualized-the-aquarium-drunkard-interview/ |
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Post by captainsoul on Sept 27, 2021 13:29:16 GMT -5
Virtual World is unskippable - what was I thinking? My musical palette being expanded by the end of that year helped me dig out of that Oasis tunnel vision phase that plagued me for a couple of years was a blessing.
What do you think about that remix of Lucky Man that uploaded some months ago? If you scroll up you'll see it. |
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 5, 2021 16:15:34 GMT -5
I'm not sure the electric guitar has ever sounded as good as it does on A Storm in Heaven.
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Post by Day Tripper on Oct 5, 2021 17:00:19 GMT -5
I'm not sure the electric guitar has ever sounded as good as it does on A Storm in Heaven Stormy Clouds reprise. |
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Post by matt on Oct 5, 2021 17:00:39 GMT -5
I'm not sure the electric guitar has ever sounded as good as it does on A Storm in Heaven.
Nick McCabe has to be the most underrated guitarist ever. A Storm In Heaven is the perfect description of his guitar style. |
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Post by The Escapist on Feb 16, 2022 16:54:59 GMT -5
I've never really listened to Forth, but I know the tracklist was a bit contentious - what songs should have been on there, and in place of what?
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Post by quantum on Feb 17, 2022 4:26:45 GMT -5
I've never really listened to Forth, but I know the tracklist was a bit contentious - what songs should have been on there, and in place of what? First two tracks are decent and maybe Valium Skies, but the rest is meh. They should have put some of the unreleased Urban Hymns tracks on it: Jalfrezi, All Ways Are Maybes, Sweet & Sour, etcI remember when I found these in 2017 I was like a kid at Xmas!  |
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Post by ibex1251 on Feb 17, 2022 7:52:46 GMT -5
Jalfrezi is one hell of a track!
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Post by matt on Feb 17, 2022 8:33:47 GMT -5
I've never really listened to Forth, but I know the tracklist was a bit contentious - what songs should have been on there, and in place of what? There's this one (Mona Lisa) which has obvious single potential for Forth which was sorely lacking singles outside of Love Is Noise. I'm puzzled as to why it was dropped from the album. It's not as if they had much to choose from and better than the dreary Rather Be. |
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Post by matt on Feb 17, 2022 8:45:22 GMT -5
Columbo was always an underrated track from them. The best parts of Forth are the ones that got to the original sound of the band - that full band vibe, loose, almost jam like feel to it at times with Ashcroft (Noise Epic and Columbo) blending into the sounds really well. For me at least.
In fact, when you think about it, Forth is a damn well underrated album. Dare I say it but if this had come out in 2017/18 when shoegaze/space rock started to become fashionable again, it would have been received a lot better. It came out in 2008 when landfill indie was still the mainstay for guitar rock, so it was neither here nor there amongst the big sounds of that time. In fact the Pitchfork review even refers to the fact the sound is out of date - such a shame that people think music has some kind of sell by date. So narrow minded, and shows that people are only interested in what is 'cool' and 'hip' (summarising the narrow mindset of Pitchfork I guess).
I would love to see them back together again. If only Ashcroft weren't such a bellend.
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Post by quantum on Feb 17, 2022 9:59:46 GMT -5
I would love to see them back together again. If only Ashcroft weren't such a bellend. He's not the only one! I can think of another band with millions of fans that are desperate for them to reform, but ultimately held back by the main creative person being a bellend I'd take either reforming, but would need an extra large box of tissues if both did  |
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Post by The Escapist on Feb 17, 2022 11:32:00 GMT -5
Thanks, everyone! Listened through the album, quite enjoyed most of it, but Numbness and I See Houses both seemed a bit meandering and bland - from the unreleased tracks, Sweet & Sour and Jalfrezi were definitely my favourites. Both strong tracks. Mona Lisa seems a bit radio-rock for the vibe of the rest of the record, I can see why it was left off, and the others just had some ropey songwriting I thought. So this is the tracklist I'm going with for now, that makes a pleasing fourth record!  What a band, though. Four albums, all quality. All different. I put Echo Bass and This Could Be My Moment on Urban Hymns in place of the interlude and This Time which I never vibed with, and One Way to Go on the debut in place of Make it Til Monday, and you're left with a stunningly consistent and well-crafted body of work. What's recently stood out this time round is the quality of the drumming. The rhythm is such a big part of their sound, and the drums never let it down. It's just always pitch-perfect, from hypnotic trip-rock to spacey drifting rhythms to pounding rhythms, always so clear and vibrant and tight. It's a real shame Oasis never worked with Salisbury at some point. He could have given them the kind of energy and power they were sorely missing in the later acts of their career up until Dig Out Your Soul. |
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The Verve
Feb 17, 2022 16:16:37 GMT -5
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Post by glider on Feb 17, 2022 16:16:37 GMT -5
I've never really listened to Forth, but I know the tracklist was a bit contentious - what songs should have been on there, and in place of what? There's this one (Mona Lisa) which has obvious single potential for Forth which was sorely lacking singles outside of Love Is Noise. I'm puzzled as to why it was dropped from the album. It's not as if they had much to choose from and better than the dreary Rather Be. This was axed cause it's fucking horrendous and Nick said as much so, for good reason. Surprised you like this one since it's another Keys To the World Ashcroft leftover he dragged into the studio. Rather Be isn't that good either but a much better song than whatever this was. The real crime is that the bulk of the expressionist work was left off Forth for stuff like I See Houses and Valium Skies. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 17, 2022 16:18:05 GMT -5
I always dug Appalachian Springs.
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Post by The Escapist on Feb 17, 2022 16:22:40 GMT -5
 Fun fact: this shot from the back of A Storm in Heaven was shot at my local cemetery. I've been there loads and I think some family members from way back when are even buried there. I also went to the same school as Ashcroft. Basically an extra member of the band, I look forward to playing piano for the eventual second reunion. |
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Post by glider on Feb 17, 2022 16:25:29 GMT -5
Thanks, everyone! Listened through the album, quite enjoyed most of it, but Numbness and I See Houses both seemed a bit meandering and bland - from the unreleased tracks, Sweet & Sour and Jalfrezi were definitely my favourites. Both strong tracks. Mona Lisa seems a bit radio-rock for the vibe of the rest of the record, I can see why it was left off, and the others just had some ropey songwriting I thought. So this is the tracklist I'm going with for now, that makes a pleasing fourth record! What a band, though. Four albums, all quality. All different. I put Echo Bass and This Could Be My Moment on Urban Hymns in place of the interlude and This Time which I never vibed with, and One Way to Go on the debut in place of Make it Til Monday, and you're left with a stunningly consistent and well-crafted body of work. What's recently stood out this time round is the quality of the drumming. The rhythm is such a big part of their sound, and the drums never let it down. It's just always pitch-perfect, from hypnotic trip-rock to spacey drifting rhythms to pounding rhythms, always so clear and vibrant and tight. It's a real shame Oasis never worked with Salisbury at some point. He could have given them the kind of energy and power they were sorely missing in the later acts of their career up until Dig Out Your Soul. The Urban Hymns outtakes are excellent but chronologically don't make sense for an actual release (Sweet and Sour for instance is a rework of Bitter Sweet Symphony). With the tracks we have access to, this has always been my go-to Forth playlist: 01. Sit and Wonder 02. Love is Noise 03. Rather Be (Alternate Version) 04. Numbness 05. Judas 06. All Night Long 07. Muhammad Ali 08. Noise Epic 09. Blue Pacific Ocean 10. Ma Ma Soul 11. Columbo 12. Appalachian Springs |
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Post by matt on Feb 17, 2022 16:39:47 GMT -5
There's this one (Mona Lisa) which has obvious single potential for Forth which was sorely lacking singles outside of Love Is Noise. I'm puzzled as to why it was dropped from the album. It's not as if they had much to choose from and better than the dreary Rather Be. This was axed cause it's fucking horrendous and Nick said as much so, for good reason. Surprised you like this one since it's another Keys To the World Ashcroft leftover he dragged into the studio. Rather Be isn't that good either but a much better song than whatever this was. The real crime is that the bulk of the expressionist work was left off Forth for stuff like I See Houses and Valium Skies. I don't think it's great but it's still better than some of the conventional obvious Ashcroft penned tunes on that album. If you're an A&R man, it wouldn't harm the album taking this one on and ditching something like I See Houses. But as Escapist says, it doesn't fit the vibe of the record at all. Thing with this album is that they wrote and recorded it within a year. The core of its there, pretty much in that expansive impressionistic sound from the jamming tunes (Sit & Wonder originated from a long jam for example). Just think how much better it could have been if they'd given it half a year or so more. |
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