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Post by Lennon2217 on May 23, 2019 12:30:26 GMT -5
Nice to see Mick and Keith gave Ashcroft BACK his rightful royalties for Bittersweet Symphony. Loooooong over due. Was never right in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2019 13:12:49 GMT -5
Nice to see Mick and Keith gave Ashcroft BACK his rightful royalties for Bittersweet Symphony. Loooooong over due. Was never right in the first place. I keep saying this but I was blown away when I saw him open for Liam. I would definitely go see him again if he ever returns here. Talented man.
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Post by Manualex on May 23, 2019 17:08:51 GMT -5
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Post by matt on May 23, 2019 17:14:51 GMT -5
Nice to see Mick and Keith gave Ashcroft BACK his rightful royalties for Bittersweet Symphony. Loooooong over due. Was never right in the first place. If that pair had any sense, they’d have done it a lot sooner. Daylight robbery. Does that mean all royalties they’ve earned will be handed back to Ashcroft?
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Post by daviesh on May 23, 2019 17:40:35 GMT -5
Nope just all future royalties. Bit of a kicker after the 20 year box sets. However on the flip side it night encourage Dickie to release another special edition of Urban Hymns with all the decent unreleased songs!
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Post by shannee on May 23, 2019 19:59:59 GMT -5
How does this work with regards to Allen Klein? Are the copyright royalties different than songwriter royalties? Is part of the cut for the record company and then part for the artist? I never understood how third parties like Klein end up owning the copyright to an artist's songs. Also like Jackson owning the Beatles.
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Post by glider on May 23, 2019 21:08:39 GMT -5
The royalty returns must've been at a all time low for it, which seems to be a major reason this happened.
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 24, 2019 0:17:26 GMT -5
The royalty returns must've been at a all time low for it, which seems to be a major reason this happened. They are no dummies. They squeezed every last drop of money out of the song. Especially the CD boom of the 90s. They could have done this in 1997. Elected not to because way too much money would be lost from work they didn't even have to lift a finger for.
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Post by Jack on May 24, 2019 10:00:54 GMT -5
Nope just all future royalties. Bit of a kicker after the 20 year box sets. However on the flip side it night encourage Dickie to release another special edition of Urban Hymns with all the decent unreleased songs! Wont happen. A special edition has just been put out, plus the decent unreleased songs were leaked because Richard didn't want them released. Christ knows why, those couple of UH leaks were better than his last two albums combined.
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Post by matt on May 26, 2019 15:35:14 GMT -5
The royalty returns must've been at a all time low for it, which seems to be a major reason this happened. They are no dummies. They squeezed every last drop of money out of the song. Especially the CD boom of the 90s. They could have done this in 1997. Elected not to because way too much money would be lost from work they didn't even have to lift a finger for. That’s just morally corrupt. How much money realistically would Ashcroft make from this song per month now (and does it extend to the rest of Th Verve?)?
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Post by Manualex on May 26, 2019 18:51:12 GMT -5
They are no dummies. They squeezed every last drop of money out of the song. Especially the CD boom of the 90s. They could have done this in 1997. Elected not to because way too much money would be lost from work they didn't even have to lift a finger for. That’s just morally corrupt. How much money realistically would Ashcroft make from this song per month now (and does it extend to the rest of Th Verve?)? Infamous Nike commercial In early 1998, The Verve's management issued a statement saying that the band would not have consented to the Nike commercial if they had retained publishing rights to their song in the first place, according to Ambrosia Healy, the band publicist. "Though it is not The Verve's policy to have their music used in commercial advertising, a portion of 'Bitter Sweet Symphony' has been approved for use in a Nike television ad that is currently appearing in the U.S. for a limited run. This would not have happened had The Verve not lost the publishing copyright (and therefore artistic control) of 'Bitter Sweet Symphony' to Mick Jagger, Keith Richards and Allen Klein/Abko Music," the statement read. So here it is folks; Nike's sixty second spot -- a stylish, cinematic salute to athletic determination. Nike Experience Bittersweet For Verve The Verve, Hollywood Records & More Posted Feb 16, 1998; Rolling Stone online If it were up to the Verve, Nike never would have received permission to use the band's "Bitter Sweet Symphony" as the cornerstone of the company's new multimillion-dollar ad campaign. But thanks to a tangled web of music-publishing rights, the Verve claim that the decision wasn't really theirs to make. "The Verve are a rock band, and they don't think their music should be used to endorse things," says the group's manager, Jazz Summers. Problems for the Verve arose, however, because the band does not control publishing rights to "Bitter Sweet Symphony." Since the song includes a sample of the Andrew Oldham Orchestra's version of the Rolling Stones song "The Last Time," ABKCO, which owns the copyrights to many early Stones tracks, took control of "Bitter Sweet Symphony" last year. That meant ABKCO could sell the song's rights to any advertiser willing to pay for it, and that the advertiser could then -- without the Verve's permission -- hire studio musicians to re-record a sound-alike. Rather than allow that to happen, the band members decided to license their actual recording of "Bitter Sweet Symphony" to one major advertiser in the hopes that this would deter others from wanting to buy the publishing rights. In the end, Nike beat out Budweiser, Coca-Cola, General Motors and others for the sweeping hit single. Nike's sixty-second spot -- a stylish, cinematic salute to athletic determination -- is just the latest in a cascade of commercials utilizing pop music to sell everything from shoes to cars to computers. Among others in heavy rotation: Sly and the Family Stone's "Everyday People" (Toyota), David Bowie's "Heroes" (Microsoft), the Who's "I Can't Explain" (Ford), Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young's "Our House" (Chase Bank) and Erykah Badu's "On and On" (Levi's). And the price to license these songs isn't cheap; most hits go for $250,000 or more. Nike paid $700,000 for "Bitter Sweet Symphony," but the band received only $175,000, while ABKCO pocketed $350,000. (The Verve are donating their share to the Red Cross Land Mine Appeal; they're asking ABKCO to do the same.) Not that the Verve haven't benefited from the ads. Two weeks after the Nike commercial debuted, during the NFL playoffs, the Verve's Urban Hymns jumped thirty-four spots on the Billboard 200, hitting Number Thirty-six, the album's highest point since its release last September. Summers concedes that the ad may help generate the Verve's U.S. breakthrough: "If this music is being played during football games and 20 million people are listening to it for a minute, it's going to have an effect." And a higher chart position is not all they got. "In our final negotiations with the band's manager, he was asking if [the Verve] could get tickets for the World Cup," says Nike's Mark Thomashow. So the band will be heading to Paris this summer for some soccer matches? "I said, 'Whatever it takes,' " says Thomashow.
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Post by craggyisland on May 10, 2020 13:23:31 GMT -5
An unreleased track from Forth surfaced today called "Mona Lisa"
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Post by captainsoul on May 17, 2020 14:47:48 GMT -5
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Post by lg on Jun 14, 2020 5:20:33 GMT -5
Yes please
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Post by Jack on Jun 14, 2020 5:54:28 GMT -5
I highly doubt it, but would be amazing if they did. I'd choose this over an Oasis reunion any day.
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Post by matt on Jun 14, 2020 10:15:36 GMT -5
Funny how these rumours always come about after a string of wretched releases from Ashcroft.... although I’m thinking it’s just one man on Twitter feeling fed up and bored and bullshitting per usual.
Always up for a Verve reunion, as long as they stick with it and Richard crawls out of his arsehole this time.
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Post by Jack on Jun 14, 2020 10:56:58 GMT -5
Funny how these rumours always come about after a string of wretched releases from Ashcroft.... although I’m thinking it’s just one man on Twitter feeling fed up and bored and bullshitting per usual. Always up for a Verve reunion, as long as they stick with it and Richard crawls out of his arsehole this time. I'm thinking they're gonna do a Stone Roses. Release a couple new tracks (maybe), do a big tour and take the money and run. Richard probably wants another boost too.
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Post by glider on Jun 14, 2020 15:02:53 GMT -5
I just want the Forth outtakes at this point. Richard is just too fragile to be in the band with his tensions with Si. If it happens (again), it'll just fall apart like the Roses did.
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Post by glider on Jun 14, 2020 18:23:55 GMT -5
Nick did shoot this down (as expected) on Twitter - he knows said account but stated he was misinformed.
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Post by Gas Panic on Jun 14, 2020 22:58:16 GMT -5
I've been listening to The Verve loads over the last few months so I would like a reunion to look forward to, hopefully this happens!
I was too young in the 90s but I did see them live at V Festival 2008 and would love to see them perform together again.
Fingers crossed.
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Post by mkoasis on Jun 15, 2020 20:56:12 GMT -5
I just want the Forth outtakes at this point. Richard is just too fragile to be in the band with his tensions with Si. If it happens (again), it'll just fall apart like the Roses did. What was the story between Richard and Simon? I knew Rich and Nick had the ongoing conflict and assumed the others sided more with Nick, but was this something else?
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Post by glider on Jun 16, 2020 0:16:33 GMT -5
I just want the Forth outtakes at this point. Richard is just too fragile to be in the band with his tensions with Si. If it happens (again), it'll just fall apart like the Roses did. What was the story between Richard and Simon? I knew Rich and Nick had the ongoing conflict and assumed the others sided more with Nick, but was this something else? Nick and Richard's conflict was always on the creative end - hence why he was fired from the band after A Northern Soul and Richard had to swallow his pride and ask him back for Urban Hymns. Si and Richard's problems are much more personal, their wives involved, etc. Plus, Si is Nick's best friend so that's another thing.
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Post by yeayeayeah on Jun 16, 2020 1:22:02 GMT -5
Love Urban Hymns. I haven't checked out their earlier albums but feel I would like them, as I almost prefer the groove/jam based songs.
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Post by Jack on Jun 16, 2020 2:08:08 GMT -5
Love Urban Hymns. I haven't checked out their earlier albums but feel I would like them, as I almost prefer the groove/jam based songs. A Storm In Heaven and Northern Soul are better than Urban Hymns IMO. Def check them out if you prefer less pop based, psychedelic rock.
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Post by mkoasis on Jun 16, 2020 22:24:06 GMT -5
What was the story between Richard and Simon? I knew Rich and Nick had the ongoing conflict and assumed the others sided more with Nick, but was this something else? Nick and Richard's conflict was always on the creative end - hence why he was fired from the band after A Northern Soul and Richard had to swallow his pride and ask him back for Urban Hymns. Si and Richard's problems are much more personal, their wives involved, etc. Plus, Si is Nick's best friend so that's another thing. Thanks for filling me in. Si always seems like such a nice, down to earth guy, especially after hearing the UH reissue interview with Nick McCabe on XFM where they do a track by track.
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