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Post by mossy on Mar 3, 2012 5:56:26 GMT -5
Also, interesting to note the writing credits on ng.com:
'Shoot A Hole Into The Sun':
Written by Noel Gallagher / Garry Cobain / Brian Dougans
Produced by The Amorphous Androgynous
The AA are sharing writing credits, so it could well be released under a different moniker to NGHFBs.
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Post by ETrilk on Mar 3, 2012 10:14:15 GMT -5
This is sweet. Gonna be great on vinyl. Glad I ordered the 12".
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Post by The Inner Light on Mar 3, 2012 16:37:47 GMT -5
Can't listen to this without thinking of Liam
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Mar 3, 2012 18:48:57 GMT -5
Can't listen to this without thinking of Liam I assume that that's taking the piss... |
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Post by underneaththesky on Mar 4, 2012 10:40:42 GMT -5
Can't listen to this without thinking of Liam ;D |
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Post by uboasis on Mar 4, 2012 14:01:07 GMT -5
Also, interesting to note the writing credits on ng.com: 'Shoot A Hole Into The Sun': Written by Noel Gallagher / Garry Cobain / Brian Dougans Produced by The Amorphous Androgynous The AA are sharing writing credits, so it could well be released under a different moniker to NGHFBs. I'm guessing it would be Noel Gallagher & the Amorphous Androgynous or Noel Gallagher feat the Amorphous Androgynous. Maybe even Amorphous Androgynous featuring Noel Gallagher. |
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Post by GIMH on Mar 4, 2012 16:31:28 GMT -5
I think it will be credited to NGHFB personally, but we'll see.
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Post by mossy on Mar 4, 2012 17:08:41 GMT -5
If the whole album is like SAHITS it could justifiably be called AA feat Noel, cos they've written most of the music and he features barely more than as a sampled voice! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
However I'd put my money on just HFBs.
If they share writing credits on every track, this is probably gonna be the album they make most money out of in their entire career!
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Post by gmajor7 on Mar 4, 2012 17:11:54 GMT -5
I want to hate this. I really REALLY want to hate this. But somehow I actually quite like it. I agree a whole album of this would be shit, but I think 10 slightly fuller songs, with the 3 remixes acting more as instrumentals, could be something quite special.
However, I do hope he then goes back and does another HFB-esque album. If this had been the only version of IIHAG ever heard, that would have been nothing short of a tragedy...
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Post by truefaith on Mar 4, 2012 17:12:14 GMT -5
If the whole album is like SAHITS it could justifiably be called AA feat Noel, cos they've written most of the music and sampled his voice! However I'd put my money on just HFBs. Of they share writing credits on every track, this'll probabky gonna be the album they make most money off in their entire career! How do you know ? Why is eveybody minimizing Noel's role in this album ? Of course they didn't wrote the music alone. They didn't just sample Noel's voice. It's not a remix album, it's a collaboration. Noel has a huge part in this album, that's why he said in absolute radio itw that it has months of work yet to do on it. If he wasn't involved it would be over already. Just because not all his fans get the song, it doesn't mean Noel did nothing on it. |
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Post by mossy on Mar 4, 2012 18:52:17 GMT -5
Perhaps I should've used a smiley there to indicate I was joking? Or at least half-joking ;-)
However, to counter your point slightly and to give an indication why I believe the AA could have had a majority role in creating the music in SAHITS:
- Noel said he started making the AA album first and when he heard what the AA had done to IIHAG - that is, completely deconstructed it - he thought he'd record the song straight as well, and make two albums. That implies, to a certain extent, they were going off and doing their own thing while he wasn't present. Otherwise he wouldn't have been shocked by the results (even if he liked them.)
- He said more recently, "they were meant to deliver the album before I went on tour in Oct, but missed the deadline." Again, the implication is that they're tinkering on it themselves without him being present...
- He's also said he doesn't know who half the musicians on the album are, because the AA bought them in...
- He said Gaz said "I'm not into other people's ideas" and would chop entire verses out of songs for being "boring" when Noel was out of the studio.
- They simply wouldn't be sharing writing credits if they weren't writing significant sections of the music.
Now he's probably exaggerating all this, as is his wont, but he's certainly painting a picture of the AA having a majority role in creating the music.
(And for the record, I "get" the song. I've already listened to it more than the original IIHAG...)
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Post by gdforever on Mar 4, 2012 19:12:02 GMT -5
Perhaps I should've used a smiley there to indicate I was joking? Or at least half-joking ;-) However, to counter your point slightly, Noel said he started making the AA album first and when he heard what the AA had done to IIHAG - that is, completely deconstructed it - he thought he'd record the song straight as well, and make two albums. That implies, to a certain extent, they were going off and doing their own thing while he wasn't present. Otherwise he wouldn't have been shocked by the results (even if he liked them.) He said more recently, "they were meant to deliver the album before I want on tour in Oct, but missed the deadline." Again, the implication is that they're tinkering on it themselves without him being present... He's also said he doesn't know who half the musicians on the album are, because the AA bought them in... He said Gaz said "I'm not into other people's ideas" and would chop entire verses out of songs for being "boring". Now he's probably exaggerating all this, as is his wont, but he's certainly painting a picture of the AA having a majority role in creating the music. It's a collaboration. It's more than just them as producers of course...but it doesn't mean that Noel didn't have input into the recording. There are more grades on the scale than you are leaving room for. Noel has also said that he will have to be there for the mixing because he hasn't heard what he wants from it yet. And when he talks about SAHITS he says "WE finished this before I went on tour" indicating that he had been involved in the postproduction of that tune. Which means that Noel himself must have a vision for these songs and isn't just twiddling his thumbs in the corner while the AA do their thing and waiting for it to be delivered but isn't engaged in the evolution of the tunes. I would guess that he is a more active member than you are giving him credit for. That he did more than hand over songs and sing a few bits of melody. |
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Post by mossy on Mar 4, 2012 19:17:52 GMT -5
I understand that there are shades of grey between black and white gdforever :-)
truefaith asked why people were minimizing Noel's role in the album, and I was listing a few points why - things Noel has said himself! I'm not saying any of that is necessarily fact - but it's an impression people can get from what he's said.
That's why I said "implies" and "paints a picture" throughout that post, rather than screaming "it's a FACT that this is a wankfest remix album, the AA are ruining Noel's beautiful songs with their own shitty music" ;-)
Anyway, bottom line is that they got writing credits - so significant sections of SAHITS were written by Gaz & Brian.
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Post by mossy on Mar 4, 2012 19:48:11 GMT -5
PS I can't wait for the making of DVD and interviews around this album to find out what really happened...
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Post by gdforever on Mar 4, 2012 20:08:24 GMT -5
I understand that there are shades of grey between black and white gdforever :-) truefaith asked why people were minimizing Noel's role in the album, and I was listing a few points why - things Noel has said himself! I'm not saying any of that is necessarily fact - but it's an impression people can get from what he's said. That's why I said "implies" and "paints a picture" throughout that post, rather than screaming "it's a FACT that this is a wankfest remix album, the AA are ruining Noel's beautiful songs with their own shitty music" ;-) Anyway, bottom line is that they got writing credits - so significant sections of SAHITS were written by Gaz & Brian. It's your comment of "it could justifiably be called AA ft. Noel Gallagher" because he "barely features as a sampled voice" that I take issue with. And that because they have been added as cowriters it means that they have written "most" of the tune. That's a bit much. We don't actually know what Noel played. What rifts and production ideas he came up with, etc. Is he just a voice? I would guess not. We know he played instruments. All of then? No. But some. We know he was/is involved in every stage of production. Of course they collaborated on the tune. There are cowriting credits...it's a given. But too say that Noel is only a feature artist on a tune that he collaborated on and that he is going to release is a bit poor. I'm not saying you are saying it's shit. I am saying that I don't think you are right that Noel contributed nothing but what was present in IIHAG already and everything else is solely the AA's doing. |
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Post by mossy on Mar 5, 2012 3:35:47 GMT -5
The AA feat Noel comment was a flippant joke! I'll make sure I end such sentences will lulz and smileys from now on...
And this: 'I am saying that I don't think you are right that Noel contributed nothing but what was present in IIHAG already and everything else is solely the AA's doing.' isn't my point.
I don't believe that for a second. But What I'm trying to say is Noel has said things which could lead people to reasonably believe that...
I've heard several interviews now where he's said "they sampled the bassline from one song and put it in another, they chopped a verse out etc." he's not yet said I rolled a massive fat one with Brian and screamed "more sitar! this song needs a sample of a donkey sneezing. Bring out the eunuch drummer boy!" although hopefully that did happen
The truth is, until we hear in depth interviews or see the making of, we don't know how dark the shade of grey is, (or even if it's a whiter shade of pale)
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Post by andymorris on Mar 5, 2012 11:03:33 GMT -5
- He said Gaz said "I'm not into other people's ideas" and would chop entire verses out of songs for being "boring" when Noel was out of the studio. They should chop their own work then. Seriously, there's good bits in the song, but 7 and half minutes of the same line or so, how fucking boring. |
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Post by RocketMan on Mar 7, 2012 9:56:38 GMT -5
after a few days i have to admit that it really got a bit boring
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 7, 2012 10:06:57 GMT -5
Spiritualized's new song "Hey Jane" has a similar vibe to "Shoot A Hole Into The Sun". He basically just keeps repeating the line 'Hey Jane what you doing today...' for about 8 and a half minutes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2012 10:09:26 GMT -5
Spiritualized's new song "Hey Jane" has a similar vibe to "Shoot A Hole Into The Sun". He basically just keeps repeating the line 'Hey Jane what you doing today...' for about 8 and a half minutes. And it's a brilliant tune as well. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 7, 2012 10:23:27 GMT -5
Spiritualized's new song "Hey Jane" has a similar vibe to "Shoot A Hole Into The Sun". He basically just keeps repeating the line 'Hey Jane what you doing today...' for about 8 and a half minutes. And it's a brilliant tune as well. Yes it definitely is a brilliant tune. Very fun to listen to. |
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Post by globe on Mar 7, 2012 15:03:19 GMT -5
Right up my street, love it.
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Post by Jim on Mar 10, 2012 8:47:03 GMT -5
Track 2
Written by Noel Gallagher / Garry Cobain / Brian Dougans
Produced by Amorphous Androgynous
Mixed by Paul "Strangeboy" Stacey
Interesting to see Paul Stacey mixed the track. I thought the way Noel had been talking recently the AA were doing the mixing?
On another note my vinyl's sleeve has a huge crease on the front of it where whoever packed it has squeezed the CD and badges into. Not impressed, I'm gonna email them the now to see what they say.
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Post by good-rebel on Mar 10, 2012 10:00:46 GMT -5
Probably in extreme minorities here, it's a good song but not excellent.  |
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Post by GIMH on Mar 11, 2012 5:13:47 GMT -5
Tried not to overplay this pre-release of this but been playing the fuck out of it since yesterday when the CD/vinyl arrived. Immense. Absolutely love it. Can't wait to hear some more, so regardless of when the album comes out, let's have Freaky Teeth backed with the AA version of TDOYAM in 3 months time please  |
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