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Post by spaneli on Feb 29, 2012 9:02:42 GMT -5
I like the divisiveness in this thread.
I personally think it's a really good song. Was listening to it on repeat yesterday as I was walking to school and it was brilliant. I actually love the whole song. The song is really a journey and you have to be willing to stick through that journey. It's one of those songs that you have to listen to more than once (somewhat like Radiohead). The more you listen to it, the more you'll pick out of it.
In that sense, I think much of the AA album will be like that. There aren't going to be many songs which will be instant. I think that many of them you will have to listen to multiple times in order to get the full effect. I'm more excited than ever for this AA album. Noel is finally taking a chance and I'm definitely going to stick through to see what he comes out with.
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Post by mytwocents on Feb 29, 2012 9:10:29 GMT -5
The music part is really good, various and interesting, I love this kind of sound. The only problem is with the vocal part, is so disjointed and random that it really seems more a remix than an alternate version. Honestly, I can take a couple of songs like this one, but an entire album would be too much...hope the songs are a bit more structured, even if the musical feeling is the same.
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Post by underneaththesky on Feb 29, 2012 9:12:23 GMT -5
I just can't imagine any circumstance where I'd want to listen to that. you're one reason the world is fucking daft.
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Post by spaneli on Feb 29, 2012 9:13:13 GMT -5
The music part is really good, various and interesting, I love this kind of sound. The only problem is with the vocal part, is so disjointed and random that it really seems more a remix than an alternate version. Honestly, I can take a couple of songs like this one, but an entire album would be too much...hope the songs are a bit more structured, even if the musical feeling is the same. Well Noel said that there wouldn't be many songy songs. I'm guessing by songy songs he means songs that are very well structured. He specifically made songs that AA could go all over the place on.
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Post by underneaththesky on Feb 29, 2012 9:31:20 GMT -5
can't believe some people's deception. you'd still expect another morning glory?
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Post by andymorris on Feb 29, 2012 9:55:31 GMT -5
The music part is really good, various and interesting, I love this kind of sound. The only problem is with the vocal part, is so disjointed and random that it really seems more a remix than an alternate version. Honestly, I can take a couple of songs like this one, but an entire album would be too much...hope the songs are a bit more structured, even if the musical feeling is the same. Exactly. You can go all psyché as fuck without the feeling of being a remix. Air has made pysché records for the past 20 years or so with structured songs. To a lesser extent, Apple in Stereo did as well, and there's countless underground psyché bands with songs. The main criticism some of you cant really get is that it sounds too much like they wanted to destroy the songs no matter what... And that doesn't serve the thing. It's more of a turn off. You can make a far out record with songs, actual melody, not just bit thrown in and here just because it'll sound weirder, for the sake of it. This is just dumb.
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Post by pototo on Feb 29, 2012 10:31:10 GMT -5
If I was Noel would do 2 things: I'd make a double album (songs such as HFB) and one cd which included songs from AA or in the following singles put these songs as b-sides.
I think that it's a bad joke to compare this with Dark Side of the Moon.
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Post by songbirdsally on Feb 29, 2012 11:36:17 GMT -5
If I was Noel would do 2 things: I'd make a double album (songs such as HFB) and one cd which included songs from AA or in the following singles put these songs as b-sides. I think that it's a bad joke to compare this with Dark Side of the Moon. I'd agree with that. I liked the Falling Down Remix and I quite like this as well, but I don't know if I will like a full album of this. But I understand the managements concern. Saleswise, this will be nothing compared to the sales of the HFB album. But Noel should do whatever he wants and if he wants to release a 'far out' psychedelic album he should just release it! It's so refreshing to hear Noel do something completely different! It's not like he needs the money anyways!
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Post by spaneli on Feb 29, 2012 11:43:55 GMT -5
If I was Noel would do 2 things: I'd make a double album (songs such as HFB) and one cd which included songs from AA or in the following singles put these songs as b-sides. I think that it's a bad joke to compare this with Dark Side of the Moon. what is it that some don't get (this is not completely directed at you, i'm just quoting you at the moment). This is it. there won't be a double album. He's not going to scrap this album and then do the songs "straight". These songs were specifically made for AA to play around with. You've got your HFB's. ffs, let Noel have his album instead of constantly pandering to his fanbase. If followed your suggestion, I'd lose more respect for him than if he had tried this and failed. If he wants to release this then he should release this and not cop out and release something that he nows he can do in his sleep.
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Post by Northern Soul on Feb 29, 2012 11:47:19 GMT -5
I like it, but probably not enough to just "put it on and listen to it". I like the psychedelic direction, but it probably has something to do with me LOVING the IIHAG original. I'm very interested to hear the new songs on the AA album, as I think it will be great.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2012 11:50:28 GMT -5
The idea that Noel is doing anything different here is absolute rubbish. Noel wrote some great tunes, dropped a recording of them, and then AA took them and did this to them. Noel is who he is, and that will never change.
This album will be AA's take on Noel Gallagher's tunes.
All that being said, I think the restructuring and remixing is interesting. Not my cup of tea really, but I can get into it all the same. I can see why Noel is apprehensive about releasing it though? This goes against everything that a Noel Gallagher album has been for more than 20 years!
I'll buy it regardless, so it really doesn't matter what it is or is not.
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Post by zgb on Feb 29, 2012 12:06:51 GMT -5
fuck it, i love it!
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Post by Teotihuacan on Feb 29, 2012 12:29:40 GMT -5
This gets better and better each time I hear it, I even like the ending 1 minute section of vocalisations which the first time I heard it I couldn't stand.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Feb 29, 2012 12:39:08 GMT -5
The idea that Noel is doing anything different here is absolute rubbish. Noel wrote some great tunes, dropped a recording of them, and then AA took them and did this to them. Noel is who he is, and that will never change. This album will be AA's take on Noel Gallagher's tunes. All that being said, I think the restructuring and remixing is interesting. Not my cup of tea really, but I can get into it all the same. I can see why Noel is apprehensive about releasing it though? This goes against everything that a Noel Gallagher album has been for more than 20 years! I'll buy it regardless, so it really doesn't matter what it is or is not. You seem like you are trying to disown Noel from being involved creatively with this album. I would suggest from Noel's words and albums that this is patently untrue. A self confessed control freak just giving them an album of tunes and saying get on with it. I don't think so. While its clear a lot of it applies to AA's interpretation, Noel has worked on it has he not? And is going to work further on it before its released. I really have no idea while people are really holding out for some songy tunes on the album. That is not what this album is supposed to be, its supposed to be a departure, a break from his normal style. Throwing some 3 min, verse, chorus, verse, chorus tunes on their would be a weird cop out. I think its pretty good tbh, more like this please.
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Post by Rifles on Feb 29, 2012 12:43:17 GMT -5
what is it that some don't get (this is not completely directed at you, i'm just quoting you at the moment). This is it. there won't be a double album. He's not going to scrap this album and then do the songs "straight". These songs were specifically made for AA to play around with. That's directed at me, you sweaty butt!
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Post by Rifles on Feb 29, 2012 12:50:43 GMT -5
I really have no idea while people are really holding out for some songy tunes on the album. That is not what this album is supposed to be, its supposed to be a departure, a break from his normal style. Throwing some 3 min, verse, chorus, verse, chorus tunes on their would be a weird cop out.. See I think you're taking an extreme stance there. I don't think anyone was expecting it to sound anything like HFB, but I think people were expecting some sort of structure. I know I was hoping for something a little less random. Assuming Noel didn't just hand the tracks over, but actually had a hand in everything, I would expect things to be less random. I'm all for far out and departures. I listen to plenty of music that doesn't sound like Oasis and doesn't follow Noel's typical song pattern, but the first 4 minutes of this song are super repetitive and boring. It gets interesting after that but it ultimately feels like 1 idea repeated over and over and then a bunch of nonsense thrown over top.
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Post by gdforever on Feb 29, 2012 13:53:31 GMT -5
Well this is one tune that I couldn't form an opinion on quickly. It's a very interesting listen.
Not exactly sure why anyone is shocked at the direction that this tune went in at this point.Obviously the Ride the Tiger clip didn't tell the whole story and even if you were present at the gigs you coudn't hear the finer points of the tune. But they still gave you the general indication
It's only more than I thought it would be...but not different, if that makes any sense. I like it and it is growing on me...although there are a few things that annoy me a bit. During the "the sun, the sun, the sun bits" there are are the occasional phrase where they obviously intentionally make the the vocals go off key. That offended my ears a lot the first listen through and I still notice during every listen.
I can understand a complaint of formlessness or lack of clear direction. I get that, and I think they have a point. But the common complaint of "repetitiveness" is a bit nonsense. No two sections sound totally to same. There is always something new going on. If you are listening to just the vocals...then sure. But there is so much else going on that you have to be ignoring for it to be repetitive to a careful listener.
There isn't a lot of form to it...which takes some getting used to for me. I was and am excited about this collaboration. Up to this point this kind of thing hasn't really been the kind of this that is on my playlist. But I'll give anything a chance. It's a big stretch for Noel because he is a songwriter with an obession with song structure. This is obviously a true collaboration...where it seems that many want it to just be a standard Noel Gallagher album produced by the AA.
I've generally been bored by artists going into the depth about recording sessions. But I hope there is talk about how they recorded some of these. Hopefully there is an interesting and lengthy documentary on the special edition with more information on the actual recording sessions than there were in the HFB doco
I love the guitar @ the 4 minute mark. And the keyboards scattered through I also really love (particularly the portion from 6:25). THe drums and basslines are absolutely great and I like how they are used. It never fails to give me a kick when it comes back in. I love the sax (at least I think that's what it is) that pops in a out. It took few listens but now I really like the interweaving vocals in the last minute or 2. I love the dynamics in the song. There is no big single climax...but there is a build up to several little ones and the payoffs come frequently enought keep me interested.
The bit where the music and the vocals weave in and out from 4:50 (Let me fly you to the moon/cause your the only/god that I would ever need) is genius. My favorite part by far. I LOVE the effects on the vocals and the delivery is even more heartfelt than on the HFB version. It actually kind of reminds me of the soundcheck take. Every beautiful line of melody is allowed to linger before the next begins. I definitely prefer to phrasing.
Listening to the number of parts on this tune I can see why mixing might be a nightmare. LOL. No wonder it's taking a while if every tune has this many parts or more. I can imagine that everything they recorded for this tune didn't actually make it onto the song.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2012 13:59:59 GMT -5
Noel Gallaghers's High Flying Birds: Deluxe Edition
Disc 2 featuring a selection of AA tunes. As with all Deluxe Re-releases a new single is released... (I.e Freaky Teeth or whatever)
I can see this happening tbh, boosts NGHFB sales up aswell.
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Post by The Inner Light on Feb 29, 2012 14:07:29 GMT -5
It's not a remix or Noel handing something over to AA.
He has completely re-recorded IIHAG and gone into the studio with AA.
IIHAG and ISAHITS are completely different songs.
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Post by gdforever on Feb 29, 2012 14:16:59 GMT -5
It's not a remix or Noel handing something over to AA. He has completely re-recorded IIHAG and gone into the studio with AA. IIHAG and ISAHITS are completely different songs. Totally. It's weird since they had the same base...but then IIHAG went one route and SAHITS went so far in another direction that you can barely see IIHAG from where it ended up.
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Post by spaneli on Feb 29, 2012 15:35:41 GMT -5
Noel Gallaghers's High Flying Birds: Deluxe Edition Disc 2 featuring a selection of AA tunes. As with all Deluxe Re-releases a new single is released... (I.e Freaky Teeth or whatever) I can see this happening tbh, boosts NGHFB sales up aswell. I would seriously lose a ton of respect if he did that. Release the songs in their own album/setting or don't release them at all.
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Post by GIMH on Feb 29, 2012 15:39:50 GMT -5
I dug the 30 second clip when we got it at the end of the IIHAG video. I dug the excerpts at the gig a couple of weeks back. And I FUCKING LOVE THIS.
The guitars at 4 minutes are the particular highlight. Not going to listen to it again now until I own it. Fucking excited.
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Post by spaneli on Feb 29, 2012 15:41:48 GMT -5
Listening to the number of parts on this tune I can see why mixing might be a nightmare. LOL. No wonder it's taking a while if every tune has this many parts or more. I can imagine that everything they recorded for this tune didn't actually make it onto the song. Yeah, it was the point that I was making that the mixing for this album will take a ton of time because there are so many tracks within the songs and so many moving parts. On most songs, especially ones that are structured, mixing is a fairly quick process. But on an album like this it takes time and you have to go through every track and think about how that track fits with the song on a whole. The mixing for this album is quite cumbersome because of that. But it's why I'm confident that this album will come out in its full form. Because it's taken too much to get to the mixing stage for any of it to be thrown away or used as b-sides or have a double or whatever people are thinking about. The album that is being mixed is probably the album that we will get. As of now I completely believe Noel when he says that the main problem is the mixing.
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Post by GIMH on Feb 29, 2012 16:02:41 GMT -5
Spaneli, with all due respect, I've seen you say a few times that you're sure the album will come out, but really, of course it is. It sounds like you had been doubting it. Why so?
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Post by spaneli on Feb 29, 2012 16:24:57 GMT -5
Spaneli, with all due respect, I've seen you say a few times that you're sure the album will come out, but really, of course it is. It sounds like you had been doubting it. Why so? I haven't been doubting that it will. I can't know 100%. No one is 100% sure, but it's always nice to see certain things that re-affirm what always you've believed. So no, I haven't been doubting it. I'm just happy that something has re-affirmed what I already believe. So before this track came out, I was 98% sure that this would come out lol. Not I'm at about a 99.9.
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