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Post by UGHF on Oct 8, 2011 7:04:28 GMT -5
Now before you have a pop...hear me out.
Noel Gallagher is an outstanding songwriter...probably my favourite of all time, and I think this album will be brilliant.
BUT......
....what is one of the qualities that every good songwriter/song has?
....I'd like to say...
...the ability to craft songs that become part of the social fabric.
Now Noel has done this with Wonderwall, DLBIA, Live Forever, Cigs and Alcohol.
When was his last song of such a standard?
Probably Stop Crying Your Heart Out me thinks...
He has become more self indulgent i think...
I'm just rambling here...but from the songs I've heard so far...(which are TOP) I'm still waiting for him to a do Paul McCartney and write seriously epic songs that the public love...
Mull Of Kintyre
Band On The Run...
I think this is the challenge for Noel...
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Post by UGHF on Feb 15, 2015 19:16:11 GMT -5
Still stand by this... time will tell.
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Post by Sternumman on Feb 15, 2015 19:18:39 GMT -5
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Post by glider on Feb 15, 2015 19:21:02 GMT -5
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Post by UGHF on Feb 15, 2015 19:31:51 GMT -5
Oh and ''The Doctor'' ... was there a need for that?  |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Feb 15, 2015 19:34:30 GMT -5
Oh and ''The Doctor'' ... was there a need for that? For what? |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 15, 2015 19:36:58 GMT -5
Now before you have a pop...hear me out. Noel Gallagher is an outstanding songwriter...probably my favourite of all time, and I think this album will be brilliant. BUT...... ....what is one of the qualities that every good songwriter/song has? ....I'd like to say... ...the ability to craft songs that become part of the social fabric. Now Noel has done this with Wonderwall, DLBIA, Live Forever, Cigs and Alcohol. When was his last song of such a standard? Probably Stop Crying Your Heart Out me thinks... He has become more self indulgent i think... I'm just rambling here...but from the songs I've heard so far...(which are TOP) I'm still waiting for him to a do Paul McCartney and write seriously epic songs that the public love... Mull Of Kintyre Band On The Run... I think this is the challenge for Noel... Noel's written better songs than McCartney post 30 years old anyways. Challenge met. Paul was 27 years old when the Beatles broke up. Many of his big solo hits were between ages 27 and 33. Well Noel's certainly cooked up some great tunes during his 27-33 age gap. |
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Post by UGHF on Feb 15, 2015 19:37:23 GMT -5
Oh and ''The Doctor'' ... was there a need for that? For what? Let's just give UGHF a break - his heart is in the right place. |
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Post by UGHF on Feb 15, 2015 19:38:35 GMT -5
Now before you have a pop...hear me out. Noel Gallagher is an outstanding songwriter...probably my favourite of all time, and I think this album will be brilliant. BUT...... ....what is one of the qualities that every good songwriter/song has? ....I'd like to say... ...the ability to craft songs that become part of the social fabric. Now Noel has done this with Wonderwall, DLBIA, Live Forever, Cigs and Alcohol. When was his last song of such a standard? Probably Stop Crying Your Heart Out me thinks... He has become more self indulgent i think... I'm just rambling here...but from the songs I've heard so far...(which are TOP) I'm still waiting for him to a do Paul McCartney and write seriously epic songs that the public love... Mull Of Kintyre Band On The Run... I think this is the challenge for Noel... Noel's written better songs than McCartney post 30 years old anyways. Challenge met. Paul was 27 years old when the Beatles broke up. Many of his big solo hits were between ages 27 and 33. Well Noel's certainly cooked up some great tunes during his 27-33 age gap. Not what I asked in the first post. |
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Post by glider on Feb 15, 2015 19:39:54 GMT -5
Let's just give UGHF a break - his heart is in the right place. Are you talking to yourself now? |
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Post by UGHF on Feb 15, 2015 19:41:35 GMT -5
Let's just give UGHF a break - his heart is in the right place. Are you talking to yourself now? Only way I'm assured of intelligent conversation. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 15, 2015 19:42:00 GMT -5
Noel's written better songs than McCartney post 30 years old anyways. Challenge met. Paul was 27 years old when the Beatles broke up. Many of his big solo hits were between ages 27 and 33. Well Noel's certainly cooked up some great tunes during his 27-33 age gap. Not what I asked in the first post. All written post age 35: Stop Crying Yout Heart Out Little By Little Lyla The Importance of Being Idle Bag It Up The Turning Come On Outside Waiting For The Rapture Shock of The Lightning Falling Down Everybody's On The Run Dream On If I Had A Gun The Death of You and Me AKA....What A Life! AKA....Broken Arrow (Stranded On) The Wrong Beach Let The Lord Shine A Light On Me Alone On A Rope A Simple Game of Genius Freaky Teeth Riverman In The Heat of The Moment Girls With X-Ray Eyes Lock All The Doors The Dying of The Light The Right Stuff You Know We Can't Go Back Ballad of The Mighty I Do The Damage What did Paul cook up after age 35? Noel is and was in fine shape. |
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Post by glider on Feb 15, 2015 19:43:56 GMT -5
Are you talking to yourself now? Only way I'm assured of intelligent conversation.  |
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Post by squire on Feb 15, 2015 19:47:49 GMT -5
Umm, who cares if Noel's music isn't deeply meaningful to today's society and culture? As long as it's deeply meaningful to you the rest is just bollocks.
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Post by Sternumman on Feb 15, 2015 19:48:39 GMT -5
Not what I asked in the first post. All written post age 35: Stop Crying Yout Heart Out Little By Little Lyla The Importance of Being Idle Bag It Up The Turning Come On Outside Waiting For The Rapture Shock of The Lightning Falling Down Everybody's On The Run Dream On If I Had A Gun The Death of You and Me AKA....What A Life! AKA....Broken Arrow (Stranded On) The Wrong Beach Let The Lord Shine A Light On Me Alone On A Rope A Simple Game of Genius Freaky Teeth Riverman In The Heat of The Moment Girls With X-Ray Eyes Lock All The Doors The Dying of The Light The Right Stuff You Know We Can't Go Back Ballad of The Mighty I Do The Damage What did Paul cook up after age 35? Noel is and was in fine shape. |
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Post by matt on Feb 15, 2015 19:53:38 GMT -5
What has Noel written recently that has become 'part of the social fabric'?
Nothing really. But it's not about what it means to society, it's about what it means to yourself. And yourself only. And he's written many many tunes in recent years that I take to my heart, despite the general public being oblivious to them.
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Post by Manualex on Feb 15, 2015 19:58:01 GMT -5
All written post age 35: Stop Crying Yout Heart Out Little By Little Lyla The Importance of Being Idle Bag It Up The Turning Come On Outside Waiting For The Rapture Shock of The Lightning Falling Down Everybody's On The Run Dream On If I Had A Gun The Death of You and Me AKA....What A Life! AKA....Broken Arrow (Stranded On) The Wrong Beach Let The Lord Shine A Light On Me Alone On A Rope A Simple Game of Genius Freaky Teeth Riverman In The Heat of The Moment Girls With X-Ray Eyes Lock All The Doors The Dying of The Light The Right Stuff You Know We Can't Go Back Ballad of The Mighty I Do The Damage What did Paul cook up after age 35? Noel is and was in fine shape. The girl is mine xD |
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Post by nahuel89p on Feb 15, 2015 20:37:33 GMT -5
I reckon his melodies are becoming more generic, like, they aren't as disctintive as they used to be. His later songs have a rather weak identity... specially in the verses.
Just try this mental exercise: Take some of his latest songs and tell me if you would have tagged them as filler in the not so far past.
SOTSOG features songs that are far better than most of his late output
On the other hand, we get quantity: we've gotten a LOT of songs in the last years.
He still has his bright moments, but aren't as bright as they used to be, and I believe are meant to be understood by fans mostly.
And some of his late weakest output would have been unforgivable 10 or 15 years ago. The Mexican would have been an absolute letdown. It's true that he also changed the style, but it goes beyond that, he is now allowing himself the throwaway style because he can't deliver oasis stadium rock anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 20:41:21 GMT -5
I reckon his melodies are becoming more generic, like, they aren't as disctintive as they used to be. His later songs have a rather weak identity... Just try this mental exercise: Take his latest songs and tell me if you would have tagged them as filler in the not so far past. B-Sides such as Full On, Stay Young, Underneath the Sky and Talk Tonight are better than most of his late output. SOTSOG features songs that are far better than most of his late output On the other hand, we get quantity: we've gotten a LOT of songs in the last years. He still has his bright moments, but aren't as bright as they used to be, and his late weakest output would have been unforgivable 10 or 15 years ago. So are you saying that songs like Riverman, The Right Stuff, You Know We Can't Go Back, The Dying Of The Light and Ballad Of The Mighty I are not as good as Put Yer Money Where Yer Mouth Is, I Can See A Liar, Force Of Nature, She Is Love or (Probably) All In The Mind? All these songs were released 10-15 years ago. |
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Post by nahuel89p on Feb 15, 2015 20:45:12 GMT -5
I reckon his melodies are becoming more generic, like, they aren't as disctintive as they used to be. His later songs have a rather weak identity... Just try this mental exercise: Take his latest songs and tell me if you would have tagged them as filler in the not so far past. B-Sides such as Full On, Stay Young, Underneath the Sky and Talk Tonight are better than most of his late output. SOTSOG features songs that are far better than most of his late output On the other hand, we get quantity: we've gotten a LOT of songs in the last years. He still has his bright moments, but aren't as bright as they used to be, and his late weakest output would have been unforgivable 10 or 15 years ago. So are you saying that songs like Riverman, The Right Stuff, You Know We Can't Go Back, The Dying Of The Light and Ballad Of The Mighty I are not as good as Put Yer Money Where Yer Mouth Is, I Can See A Liar, Force Of Nature, She Is Love or (Probably) All In The Mind? All these songs were released 10-15 years ago. That's it! You are comparing the worst of the past with the best of the present. Any comparison must be done comprehensively, no bias. If Where did it all go wrong wasn't written until Chasing Yesterday, this forum would be wanking full time. |
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Post by nahuel89p on Feb 15, 2015 20:47:17 GMT -5
I'd compare the right stuff with gas panic, you know we can't go back with hindu times, the dying of the light with SCYHO, ballad of the mighty with who feels love... and im missin roll it over, go let it out, full on...
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Post by batfink30 on Feb 15, 2015 20:48:30 GMT -5
So are you saying that songs like Riverman, The Right Stuff, You Know We Can't Go Back, The Dying Of The Light and Ballad Of The Mighty I are not as good as Put Yer Money Where Yer Mouth Is, I Can See A Liar, Force Of Nature, She Is Love or (Probably) All In The Mind? All these songs were released 10-15 years ago. That's it! You are comparing the worst of the past with the best of the present. Any comparison must be done comprehensively, no bias. If Where did it all go wrong wasn't written until Chasing Yesterday, this forum would be wanking full time. Where Did It All Go Wrong is average at best, mate. Riverman is absolute genius head and shoulders above anything of the SOTSOG era. Most of the CY songs are. Mature and layered. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 20:48:36 GMT -5
So are you saying that songs like Riverman, The Right Stuff, You Know We Can't Go Back, The Dying Of The Light and Ballad Of The Mighty I are not as good as Put Yer Money Where Yer Mouth Is, I Can See A Liar, Force Of Nature, She Is Love or (Probably) All In The Mind? All these songs were released 10-15 years ago. That's it! You are comparing the worst of the past with the best of the present. Any comparison must be done comprehensively, no bias. If Where did it all go wrong wasn't written until Chasing Yesterday, this forum would be wanking full time. OK, that's a fair point about my comparison. Which songs would you describe as his latest weakest output? |
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Post by leak4ever on Feb 15, 2015 20:54:05 GMT -5
Still stand by this... time will tell. Why did you resurrect your comment/thread that no one gave a shit about first time round? |
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Post by batfink30 on Feb 15, 2015 20:54:24 GMT -5
I'd compare the right stuff with gas panic, you know we can't go back with hindu times, the dying of the light with SCYHO, ballad of the mighty with who feels love... and im missin roll it over, go let it out, full on... I'd say Right Stuff is more like Roll it Over. The SOTSOG and HC songs you mentioned are generic, plod and are quite lazy, they're also not that we'll produced. Hindu Times is dreadful,I mean really dreadful nowhere near Might I. SCYHO is good but again quite ploddy. Give it time but I reckon the new stuff is well above it. |
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