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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Jul 25, 2011 8:18:33 GMT -5
I think the main concern for Beady Eye was if Noel was holding truly great songs back for his solo career. "The Death Of You and Me" proves he really wasn't.
Don't get me wrong, i think it's OK, but he wrote better songs for DOYS imo. The last Beady Eye b-side is a a better song for me and while you can tell they are developing their sound and looking to build on a solid debut, Noel sounds like he's making second rate DBTT songs.
For me, it's Beady Eye 1-0 Noel Gallagher
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2011 8:30:07 GMT -5
You sound as though you are looking for Noel to bust out 10 tracks of CS, DLBIA, WW,, etc. That simply cannot happen. If you want to justify BDI and their average album and tunes, thats fine, but the fact that Noel's debut effort is not STELLAR-BEYOND-BELIEF, is not a very good starting point. You can't compare an album of 13 tracks and a few b-sides against one track. As far as debuts go TDOYAM trumps BTL by miles and miles. BTL was forced and thrown in for shock value and nothing else. It's average piano rock at best, while TDOYAM is a quality track that has layers of sounds wrapped up in a theatrical melody. There's simply more substance there. If I were you, I'd hold off on declaring winners until you hear more of what Noel has to offer us. I think Noel's vision is much more far reaching than BDI, and that will be apparent as we get more tunes out. It's apparent that Noel wanted to spend more time fine tuning albums in the studio, but LAG were against it, and this will be much more visible after Noel's album hits shelves. I appreciate your opinion, but I feel it is TOO early to declare winners, if it is even possible to do so.
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Post by Silence Dogood on Jul 25, 2011 8:40:08 GMT -5
You sound as though you are looking for Noel to bust out 10 tracks of CS, DLBIA, WW,, etc. That simply cannot happen. If you want to justify BDI and their average album and tunes, thats fine, but the fact that Noel's debut effort is not STELLAR-BEYOND-BELIEF, is not a very good starting point. You can't compare an album of 13 tracks and a few b-sides against one track. As far as debuts go TDOYAM trumps BTL by miles and miles. You're right about it not being fair to compare all of BDI songs(some of which are really good songs) to just one tune by Noel. But you also can't compare this song to Bring The Crap, that's arguably(some crazies will say it's not) the band's weakest song and it was a promo/free single. The first legit single by Beady Eye was The Roller and that's a good tune. Which one is better? it depends on on your taste and whose voice you prefer. I liked TIOBI but it's not one of my fave Oasis songs, not even close, not even my favorite off that album, so i think this song is "just ok". On the other hand, if you love that folky vibe and sound then this is what you were waiting for. Noel's a smart man and he(or perhaps his record label) knows that this song has no chance in hell of getting any sort of airplay here(U.S.) so the HFBs will release a U.S. only single within the next few weeks.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Jul 25, 2011 9:06:46 GMT -5
You sound as though you are looking for Noel to bust out 10 tracks of CS, DLBIA, WW,, etc. That simply cannot happen. If you want to justify BDI and their average album and tunes, thats fine, but the fact that Noel's debut effort is not STELLAR-BEYOND-BELIEF, is not a very good starting point. You can't compare an album of 13 tracks and a few b-sides against one track. As far as debuts go TDOYAM trumps BTL by miles and miles. BTL was forced and thrown in for shock value and nothing else. It's average piano rock at best, while TDOYAM is a quality track that has layers of sounds wrapped up in a theatrical melody. There's simply more substance there. If I were you, I'd hold off on declaring winners until you hear more of what Noel has to offer us. I think Noel's vision is much more far reaching than BDI, and that will be apparent as we get more tunes out. It's apparent that Noel wanted to spend more time fine tuning albums in the studio, but LAG were against it, and this will be much more visible after Noel's album hits shelves. I appreciate your opinion, but I feel it is TOO early to declare winners, if it is even possible to do so. I agree with your point about not being able to comapre his solo work to Beady Eye yet. But considering how much we have already heard of Noel's album (soundchecks, demos etc.) i think we have a reasonably good picture of what it will sound like. And i dont like how the people who love Noel are hailing anything he does as a masterpeice. I don't agree with your point on BTL, i really like that and find it more enjoyable than TDOYAM but that's puirely down to taste. I also think DGSS is better than every Oasis album since BHN because of it's freshness, production and the quality of songs so the fact Noel has been looking to add layers to the songs on his new album does not really excite me because he has done that on the last two Oasis albums alongside David Sardy who i think is a shit producer. The Noel/BDI issue will run for years to come. There will be people that stick up for both sides simply because of loyalty and not the songs quality which i think has already become apparent today. I also think there's a much bigger Noel fanbase on here because he's the "respectable, great songwriter", which means we will get a biased Noel approach to 80% of every thread.
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Post by deasy on Jul 25, 2011 9:18:36 GMT -5
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Post by manualex on Jul 25, 2011 9:27:31 GMT -5
Man, do you have checked your ears? This is not a Put Yer Money In yer mouth/I can see a liar, and it shouldnt be because Noel's voice dosnt suites that kind of songs(he can try but never be as good as Liam). But since they have split up they have done what they like to do and Noel just presented a teaser of it and I like it more than i was dissapointed by the "baby come on's" on the teaser that Beady Eye gave to the world.
For the record I would like to have a mind blowing album from both brothers but one putted so much songs on one(with three closers Wigwam, The Morning Son and The Beat Goes On) and the other one we dont know yet the first track is something i would listen to(Unlike Bring The Light/The Roller) .
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2011 9:39:13 GMT -5
seeing as you want bum Liam, it was always going to 1-0 to BDI in your little world
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Post by Plantpot on Jul 25, 2011 10:13:01 GMT -5
Having literally no knowledge of what Noel's album will sound like I still think both Beady Eye and Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds will deliver the goods in the manner in which it best serves each. The best example here is the difference between Liam and Noel's voice. At their best you'd expect 'rocker's' out of Liam's voice and melodic, softer phrasing out of Noel's. It's the best of both worlds. How 'bout we all enjoy these two very talented groups?
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Post by MacaRonic on Jul 25, 2011 10:26:01 GMT -5
Having literally no knowledge of what Noel's album will sound like I still think both Beady Eye and Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds will deliver the goods in the manner in which it best serves each. The best example here is the difference between Liam and Noel's voice. At their best you'd expect 'rocker's' out of Liam's voice and melodic, softer phrasing out of Noel's. It's the best of both worlds. How 'bout we all enjoy these two very talented groups? This
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Post by bonkers on Jul 25, 2011 10:30:06 GMT -5
Beady Eye have nothing to worry about??? if they were not on their own label they would be dropped, the sales are frankly quite shocking, no label would bankroll a band that struggles to make any impact. Just look at their festival appearances, the fans just stand there talking to each other when Beady Eye are on
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2011 10:32:28 GMT -5
Having literally no knowledge of what Noel's album will sound like I still think both Beady Eye and Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds will deliver the goods in the manner in which it best serves each. The best example here is the difference between Liam and Noel's voice. At their best you'd expect 'rocker's' out of Liam's voice and melodic, softer phrasing out of Noel's. It's the best of both worlds. How 'bout we all enjoy these two very talented groups? totally agree. best of both worlds.
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Post by ctmazin on Jul 25, 2011 10:51:11 GMT -5
<i>seeing as you want bum Liam, it was always going to 1-0 to BDI in your little world</i>
This (although I wouldn't be that harsh). We know where you stand on this issue, so this isn't the most insightful post for me. I have a feeling Noel could release Don't Look back In Anger, Part 2 and you'd be sitting in front of your computer wearing your Pretty Green shouting "It's no Bring The Light! 1-0 Beady Eye!"
Noel's album is not going to be a rockin' album with stuff like FLW. It's going to be a fair approximation of his acoustic shows. TDOYAM is a terrific start on that end--sounds like it would fit beautifully into his shows.
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Post by oasis6 on Jul 25, 2011 11:16:13 GMT -5
I hate this whole picking sides thing, but it is annoying to see many people say TDOYAM is already better than and BDI. Some people may not like BDI, or some people may just love Noel, but TDOYAM being the shiny new toy as of now is what would likely get those comments. Is it really better than anything that BDI has done?
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Post by Bellboy on Jul 25, 2011 11:52:18 GMT -5
Having literally no knowledge of what Noel's album will sound like I still think both Beady Eye and Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds will deliver the goods in the manner in which it best serves each. The best example here is the difference between Liam and Noel's voice. At their best you'd expect 'rocker's' out of Liam's voice and melodic, softer phrasing out of Noel's. It's the best of both worlds. How 'bout we all enjoy these two very talented groups? Very well said. I agree.
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Post by matt7k on Jul 25, 2011 11:53:06 GMT -5
Beady Eye have already proven that they can get on well enough without Noel.
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Post by liamscoat on Jul 25, 2011 15:16:26 GMT -5
I think the main concern for Beady Eye was if Noel was holding truly great songs back for his solo career. "The Death Of You and Me" proves he really wasn't. Don't get me wrong, i think it's OK, but he wrote better songs for DOYS imo. The last Beady Eye b-side is a a better song for me and while you can tell they are developing their sound and looking to build on a solid debut, Noel sounds like he's making second rate DBTT songs. For me, it's Beady Eye 1-0 Noel Gallagher 100% agree...its Noel at his laziest, a song that would make a nice b side....but back to back In a bubble..... is a far more enjoyable track .....and I'm not interested in sides, I love both sides equally
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Post by heathenchemistry02 on Jul 25, 2011 17:00:29 GMT -5
we have 1 track from Noel, and 5 singles from BDI
It's no question... BDI just doesn't hold a candle to this new Noel track. It's great.
Beady Eye are cool, but this is just better.
and all these Liam fanboys are so so so stupid for blowing this up in this thread... get real idiots.
and liamscoat... you are one of the biggest fools I've ever seen, change your text under your avatar clown
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Post by oasisfanboy on Jul 25, 2011 17:08:38 GMT -5
The very idea of picking sides, declaring winners and people suggesting that either Noel or BDI have "something to worry about" is so LAME.
I bought my first Oasis record in early 1995 so have just a little something invested in them BOTH. Why the heck I would want one to "win", or "fail", or lose I just can't imagine. SAD.
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Post by Stemot on Jul 25, 2011 17:08:51 GMT -5
we have 1 track from Noel, and 5 singles from BDI It's no question... BDI just doesn't hold a candle to this new Noel track. It's great. Beady Eye are cool, but this is just better. and all these Liam fanboys are so so so stupid for blowing this up in this thread... get real idiots. and liamscoat... you are one of the biggest fools I've ever seen, change your text under your avatar clown every The track isn't that great but for some reason everybody who has been saying "wait till Noel releases his stuff" feel the need to big it up more than it deserves. It's alright but a very boring, meandering track and Beady Eye already have songs better than it and some worse than it. To say that this one track blows all of BI's stuff away is the talk of someone who can't see objectively.
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Post by Fellows on Jul 25, 2011 18:04:11 GMT -5
Have you not heard Record Machine, Stop the clocks, Everybody's on the run???
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Post by gdforever on Jul 25, 2011 18:55:40 GMT -5
Meandering? TDOYAM...really? As compared to BDI?
Meandering is the adjective that I would use to describe unfortunately a large amount of the BDI output. It was my biggest criticism of DGSS.
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Post by Stemot on Jul 26, 2011 0:41:15 GMT -5
Meandering? TDOYAM...really? As compared to BDI? Meandering is the adjective that I would use to describe unfortunately a large amount of the BDI output. It was my biggest criticism of DGSS. Nah, there is lots on DGSS that has more energy and life than Noels new one.
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Post by gdforever on Jul 26, 2011 1:09:52 GMT -5
Meandering? TDOYAM...really? As compared to BDI? Meandering is the adjective that I would use to describe unfortunately a large amount of the BDI output. It was my biggest criticism of DGSS. Nah, there is lots on DGSS that has more energy and life than Noels new one. But they almost all meander to a close. Meander = Wander at random, Follow a winding course TDOYAM is pretty succinct IMO especially compared to BDI. I don't know what you are saying because you are using words that you don't mean. If you mean that you don't think that TDOYAM isn't lively or that it's lacking in energy...then say so. I don't agree but I accept that as a valid criticism from your perspective.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2011 2:05:51 GMT -5
Nah, there is lots on DGSS that has more energy and life than Noels new one. But they almost all meander to a close. Meander = Wander at random, Follow a winding course TDOYAM is pretty succinct IMO especially compared to BDI. I don't know what you are saying because you are using words that you don't mean. If you mean that you don't think that TDOYAM isn't lively or that it's lacking in energy...then say so. I don't agree but I accept that as a valid criticism from your perspective. Really? I'd say DGSS is the opposite of meandering; it doesn't go anywhere because it wasn't really going anywhere in the first place. It's all pretty straight and conventional.
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Post by gdforever on Jul 26, 2011 2:09:25 GMT -5
But they almost all meander to a close. Meander = Wander at random, Follow a winding course TDOYAM is pretty succinct IMO especially compared to BDI. I don't know what you are saying because you are using words that you don't mean. If you mean that you don't think that TDOYAM isn't lively or that it's lacking in energy...then say so. I don't agree but I accept that as a valid criticism from your perspective. Really? I'd say DGSS is the opposite of meandering; it doesn't go anywhere because it wasn't really going anywhere in the first place. It's all pretty straight and conventional. You mean...almost like its directionless and wanders at random? Let me get a thersaurus and I'll see if I can find a word to describe something like that a bit more succintly. Oh...here it is...meandering Anyways. I was actually talking about the individual songs meandering not the album in general not having direction. More about many of the songs lasting for 30 seconds to a minute longer than they have ideas for and meandering to a close. We haven't heard Noel's album so we have no idea which album has more direction.
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