|
|
Post by shaokahnage on Jul 22, 2011 16:57:37 GMT -5
to answer the OPs question:
its full of fickle fuckers
|
|
|
|
Post by J.B on Jul 22, 2011 16:57:43 GMT -5
Because you touch yourself at night. Sorry, I've been holding off on that comment for days and it just had to be said. I apology, as always. If it's any consolation, I loathe Family Guy. Worst. Show. Ever. And grossly overrated. Shut up Meg |
|
dion
Oasis Roadie
Posts: 362
|
Post by dion on Jul 22, 2011 19:29:51 GMT -5
They won best live act in 2007, well before WRPLA... they've been "big" since Kasabian and "really big" since Empire. In no way did Kasabian become "big" or "mainstream" after WRPLA, Empire got to no. 1 and sold well over a million copies. But did they sub- headline Glasto? No Did they support Oasis at Wembley Stadium? No Did they sell out 3 nights at Wembley Arena? No. Did they get the award for being best band in the world? No. I'm not slagging Kasabian off or anything, I love them. All I'm saying is that it was WRPLA that really got everyone's attention... It was WRPLA that everyone picked up on... I mean, I admit, yeah, Empire got them noticed by a far few people... but it took WRPLA to get everyone to realise what was going on and how much talent they have... Did they support Oasis as early as 2005? Yes Did Oasis play Wembley that tour? No Did they sell out Wembley or did Oasis? Oasis Did they sell out Wembley on their own after WRPLA? No Do you have to win best band in the year to be a big band? No They got big as soon as they released their first album and got massive exposure from FIFA and Greenstreet, they won the best band at the Brits because they were up against Muse, Friendly Fires, The Doves and JL-FUCKING-S... They were nominated in 05 and 07, they lost out to Franz Ferdinand and the Arctic Monkey's coming out the back of the fastest selling first album ever. Your criteria are utter nonsense, they were nominated for best band as early as 2005 and quite frankly if you hadn't heard of Kasabian after LSF and Club Foot you're either living on Mars or my mum, and she still doesn't know who they are. |
|
|
|
Post by agnhi on Jul 22, 2011 20:02:01 GMT -5
All criterias aside, I kinda do agree Kasabian hit it proper big time with WRPLA. That was their moment, so to say. They did very well with earlier 2 albums and had a big fanbase, but WRPLA was the moment it all took the big step(and the band are the first to admit this btw).
I think when WRPLA came out there was a proper need for an album like that and a band like that... the support for Oasis greatly helped them to bring it available for a wider audience.
All the buzz around them that summer+autumn was bigger than during the previous 2 albums.
Just thinking back to all Kasabian fans I know and I've discussed it with, it must be like half of them at least got into them with WRPLA. and the reason wasn't that they disliked earlier two, but they just had never really hit their consciousness, even though they had known the name+hit songs.
|
|
dion
Oasis Roadie
Posts: 362
|
Post by dion on Jul 22, 2011 21:39:24 GMT -5
While anecdotal evidence is all well and good, the fact Empire hit number 1, they've been nominated for best band several times before and their singles have been littered across countless media platforms suggests that they might well have hit "the big time" before their third album.
|
|
|
|
Post by monkian on Jul 23, 2011 1:54:10 GMT -5
But did they sub- headline Glasto? No Did they support Oasis at Wembley Stadium? No Did they sell out 3 nights at Wembley Arena? No. Did they get the award for being best band in the world? No. I'm not slagging Kasabian off or anything, I love them. All I'm saying is that it was WRPLA that really got everyone's attention... It was WRPLA that everyone picked up on... I mean, I admit, yeah, Empire got them noticed by a far few people... but it took WRPLA to get everyone to realise what was going on and how much talent they have... Did they support Oasis as early as 2005? Yes Did Oasis play Wembley that tour? No Did they sell out Wembley or did Oasis? Oasis Did they sell out Wembley on their own after WRPLA? No Do you have to win best band in the year to be a big band? No They got big as soon as they released their first album and got massive exposure from FIFA and Greenstreet, they won the best band at the Brits because they were up against Muse, Friendly Fires, The Doves and JL-FUCKING-S... They were nominated in 05 and 07, they lost out to Franz Ferdinand and the Arctic Monkey's coming out the back of the fastest selling first album ever. Your criteria are utter nonsense, they were nominated for best band as early as 2005 and quite frankly if you hadn't heard of Kasabian after LSF and Club Foot you're either living on Mars or my mum, and she still doesn't know who they are. It's just Doves. Also just to add more to your argument, they did sub Glastonbury in 2007 behind Arctic Monkeys. |
|
|
|
Post by BlueJay on Jul 23, 2011 2:43:49 GMT -5
Kasabian are overrated. They are propped up by music mags because their competition is weak and there aren't many too better bands out there - such is the state of music at the moment. Having said that, WRPLA is a strong album with some good singles.
The best band at the moment would have to be Grizzly Bear or Gorillaz. Both of their last albums were phenomenal.
|
|
|
|
Post by Shockmaster on Jul 23, 2011 3:12:02 GMT -5
Kasabian are overrated. They are propped up by music mags because their competition is weak and there aren't many too better bands out there - such is the state of music at the moment. Having said that, WRPLA is a strong album with some good singles. The best band at the moment would have to be Grizzly Bear or Gorillaz. Both of their last albums were phenomenal. What the fuck are you on? All criterias aside, I kinda do agree Kasabian hit it proper big time with WRPLA. That was their moment, so to say. They did very well with earlier 2 albums and had a big fanbase, but WRPLA was the moment it all took the big step(and the band are the first to admit this btw). I think when WRPLA came out there was a proper need for an album like that and a band like that... the support for Oasis greatly helped them to bring it available for a wider audience. All the buzz around them that summer+autumn was bigger than during the previous 2 albums. Just thinking back to all Kasabian fans I know and I've discussed it with, it must be like half of them at least got into them with WRPLA. and the reason wasn't that they disliked earlier two, but they just had never really hit their consciousness, even though they had known the name+hit songs. THANK YOU! I don't get how Dion doesn't get what we're saying. WRPLA got a healthy portion of Kasabian's fan base... It's like Oasis... They released Definitely Maybe and became really popular... But then they released Morning Glory and they became MASSIVE. They bacame a band that could do the biggest gigs out there. WRPLA is Kasabian's Morning Glory |
|
|
|
Post by Bring It On Dan on Jul 23, 2011 5:12:42 GMT -5
All my workmates never mentioned Kasabian to me before Fire, that's all I'm saying.
|
|
|
|
Post by agnhi on Jul 23, 2011 5:37:13 GMT -5
All my workmates never mentioned Kasabian to me before Fire, that's all I'm saying. Yep this. They were big within the music-scene-following crowds and indie kids etc, but with WRPLA everyone and their mother got to know them. It also got them a lot more international success than anything they had done before. |
|
|
|
Post by Shockmaster on Jul 23, 2011 7:19:13 GMT -5
All my workmates never mentioned Kasabian to me before Fire, that's all I'm saying. Yep this. They were big within the music-scene-following crowds and indie kids etc, but with WRPLA everyone and their mother got to know them. It also got them a lot more international success than anything they had done before. See, that's what I have been trying to get at the whole time! Maybe I wasn't making myself clear enough  |
|
dion
Oasis Roadie
Posts: 362
|
Post by dion on Jul 23, 2011 7:41:56 GMT -5
So more anecdotal evidence then You've got no evidence at all that WRPLA had anywhere near the same wide ranging impact that WTSMG had, in fact looking at album sales relative to Empire that shows unequivocally otherwise. |
|
|
|
Post by BlueJay on Jul 23, 2011 8:35:50 GMT -5
Please, Kasabian aren't very big internationally. Where are they big outside of England? Not here that's for sure, and certainly not in the US. Their last album was good, but not great.
|
|
|
|
Post by BlueJay on Jul 23, 2011 8:40:55 GMT -5
Kasabian are overrated. They are propped up by music mags because their competition is weak and there aren't many too better bands out there - such is the state of music at the moment. Having said that, WRPLA is a strong album with some good singles. The best band at the moment would have to be Grizzly Bear or Gorillaz. Both of their last albums were phenomenal. What the fuck are you on? All criterias aside, I kinda do agree Kasabian hit it proper big time with WRPLA. That was their moment, so to say. They did very well with earlier 2 albums and had a big fanbase, but WRPLA was the moment it all took the big step(and the band are the first to admit this btw). I think when WRPLA came out there was a proper need for an album like that and a band like that... the support for Oasis greatly helped them to bring it available for a wider audience. All the buzz around them that summer+autumn was bigger than during the previous 2 albums. Just thinking back to all Kasabian fans I know and I've discussed it with, it must be like half of them at least got into them with WRPLA. and the reason wasn't that they disliked earlier two, but they just had never really hit their consciousness, even though they had known the name+hit songs. THANK YOU! I don't get how Dion doesn't get what we're saying. WRPLA got a healthy portion of Kasabian's fan base... It's like Oasis... They released Definitely Maybe and became really popular... But then they released Morning Glory and they became MASSIVE. They bacame a band that could do the biggest gigs out there. WRPLA is Kasabian's Morning Glory Comparing WRPLA to WTSMG is like comparing Jackson Pollock to Jacinta Hornblower - one is brilliant the other is not. Are you high by any chance? WRPLA had 3 good singles - Underdog, Where Did All The Love Go? and Fire. The rest were filler. WTSMG had about 6 good singles and the non-singles were certainly not fillers - they were phenomenal. Please contact your nearest psychiatrist. |
|
|
|
Post by Shockmaster on Jul 23, 2011 9:04:17 GMT -5
What the fuck are you on? THANK YOU! I don't get how Dion doesn't get what we're saying. WRPLA got a healthy portion of Kasabian's fan base... It's like Oasis... They released Definitely Maybe and became really popular... But then they released Morning Glory and they became MASSIVE. They bacame a band that could do the biggest gigs out there. WRPLA is Kasabian's Morning Glory Comparing WRPLA to WTSMG is like comparing Jackson Pollock to Jacinta Hornblower - one is brilliant the other is not. Are you high by any chance? WRPLA had 3 good singles - Underdog, Where Did All The Love Go? and Fire. The rest were filler. WTSMG had about 6 good singles and the non-singles were certainly not fillers - they were phenomenal. Please contact your nearest psychiatrist. BlueJay... What is your game? You think Kasabian are shit and they aren't internationally big... I think YOU are the one that needs a psychiatrist :S Honestly, I think you might have something wrong with you... Because you have a very strange outlook on music if you say that WRPLA isn't good... I'd like you to refer to the tracks Fast Fuse, Vlad The Impaler, Take Aim and Swarfiga... That will show you that the album isn't "filler" So more anecdotal evidence then You've got no evidence at all that WRPLA had anywhere near the same wide ranging impact that WTSMG had, in fact looking at album sales relative to Empire that shows unequivocally otherwise. Either way, buddy, we're in agreement that Kasabian are a top class band that deserves their fame! |
|
vebear
RKid
"Hot town, summer in the city, Back of my neck getting dirty and gritty"
Posts: 45
|
Post by vebear on Jul 23, 2011 9:12:58 GMT -5
Personally, I prefer Miles Kane and The Kayas more than Kasabian. The Kayas are definitely the new British Alternate act, just to have that said. In the 90s it was Oasis and the 00s it was Arctic Monkeys, and now, for the 10s, it's The Kayas.
Back on topic. I can't see why they hate Beady Eye as they were nominated for the 'Best New Band' award by the NME about half a year ago. Personally, I think they're OK, maybe not the best, but at least good music. And hey, haven't the Gallagher brothers been experts on bragging about their music?
|
|
|
|
Post by BlueJay on Jul 23, 2011 9:23:18 GMT -5
Comparing WRPLA to WTSMG is like comparing Jackson Pollock to Jacinta Hornblower - one is brilliant the other is not. Are you high by any chance? WRPLA had 3 good singles - Underdog, Where Did All The Love Go? and Fire. The rest were filler. WTSMG had about 6 good singles and the non-singles were certainly not fillers - they were phenomenal. Please contact your nearest psychiatrist. BlueJay... What is your game? You think Kasabian are shit and they aren't internationally big... I think YOU are the one that needs a psychiatrist :S Honestly, I think you might have something wrong with you... Because you have a very strange outlook on music if you say that WRPLA isn't good... I'd like you to refer to the tracks Fast Fuse, Vlad The Impaler, Take Aim and Swarfiga... That will show you that the album isn't "filler" So more anecdotal evidence then You've got no evidence at all that WRPLA had anywhere near the same wide ranging impact that WTSMG had, in fact looking at album sales relative to Empire that shows unequivocally otherwise. Either way, buddy, we're in agreement that Kasabian are a top class band that deserves their fame! Forgive me, Ladies and Gentleman is a class track as well, but the rest IS filler. Fast Fuse and Swarfiga are lousy tracks, and I know - I bought the album when it was released  I DID say it was a good album, however it isn't a great album by any stretch of the imagination. |
|
|
|
Post by J.B on Jul 23, 2011 9:25:05 GMT -5
Give it a listen.
|
|
vebear
RKid
"Hot town, summer in the city, Back of my neck getting dirty and gritty"
Posts: 45
|
Post by vebear on Jul 23, 2011 9:31:03 GMT -5
I's a great song... maybe not lyrics, but still, it was supposed to be a b-side, and that should show the most we need to know about this bands quality |
|
|
|
Post by agnhi on Jul 23, 2011 9:36:25 GMT -5
So more anecdotal evidence then Stop going on about anecdotal evidence, these things can't be just measured by album sales etc. It's about the impact and the buzz that happens, too. One can't measure that by scientific number evidences or whatever it is you're after. If about everyone I know, and several people here too, say that most people never spoke about Kasabian until WRPLA, it does mean they stepped up on the ladder with that album. Yes they were big band with two earlier ones, WRPLA just took it to another level. They're now there listed next to Coldplay, Muse etc by people when talking about biggest British bands, that wasn't the case a few years ago. I did not mean they're big internationally, but they're bigger than they were before WRPLA. The interest in Australia grew a lot, and they gained radioplay and interest in many European countries where no one had bothered with them yet. Just looking at videos from this summer's European festivals they seem to have rather receptive audiences in many places. I don't think the meaning was to compare WTSMG and WRPLA as 'which is better' or 'they had the same impact' it's just comparing what each album did to that band's career. |
|
|
|
Post by Shockmaster on Jul 23, 2011 10:10:28 GMT -5
Forgive me, Ladies and Gentleman is a class track as well, but the rest IS filler. Fast Fuse and Swarfiga are lousy tracks, and I know - I bought the album when it was released I DID say it was a good album, however it isn't a great album by any stretch of the imagination. What are you on about!? Ladies and Gentlemen is one of the weaker tracks on the album!!!!! And I don't know what you're on about saying that Fast Fuse is a lousy track... You aint right, mate |
|
|
|
Post by Bring It On Dan on Jul 23, 2011 10:26:15 GMT -5
Everyone has different opinions on music, it's all taste. But there's no denying that Kasabian are more popular on the casual scene than they've ever been, and that is because of West Ryder, and in my opinion, Fire in particular.
Yes they had things like club foot that was used on Sky Sports News etc, but people knew it as 'that song that goes nananananana' rather than 'Club Foot by Kasabian' i think.
Since WR they've been on the Brits ffs! The biggest event in british music that's watched by millions of people who aren't music fans yet Kasabian were obviously big enough to be on the show.
When Tom says things like WR was their MG, I'm sure he means it in a theoretical sense rather than meaning it was as popular as MG ever was. He's saying that It's the album that made the casual music listeners, radio-at-work type guys, take notice of Kasabian in a similar vein to how MG did that for Oasis.
|
|
|
|
Post by Bring It On Dan on Jul 23, 2011 10:29:34 GMT -5
LMFAO that is embarrassing! They act all hard at the start and they all look like they think they're Liam Gallagher, then that fucking pathetic voice comes out? He sounds like Kate Bush without the bollocks (get that in your signatures). Union Jack Guitars? Parka's? Fuck offfffff, they make Brother look original! |
|
|
|
Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 23, 2011 10:34:21 GMT -5
LMFAO that is embarrassing! They act all hard at the start and they all look like they think they're Liam Gallagher, then that fucking pathetic voice comes out? He sounds like Kate Bush without the bollocks (get that in your signatures). Union Jack Guitars? Parka's? Fuck offfffff, they make Brother look original! From that one clip, they don't irritate me as much as Brother (excuse me, Viva Brother). But still not really good. Pretty generic. And trying way too hard to have the Oasis image. It's starting to get ridiculous now. |
|
vebear
RKid
"Hot town, summer in the city, Back of my neck getting dirty and gritty"
Posts: 45
|
Post by vebear on Jul 23, 2011 10:44:39 GMT -5
Still much better than Kasabian IMO... I kind of like their Oasis-like Image
|
|
Nov 4, 2024 5:04:30 GMT -5