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Post by BlueJay on Apr 16, 2011 11:26:42 GMT -5
No, but he's about nine-tenths of Oasis. Although I disagree, the fact remains the same: NOEL LEFT OASIS. Which is why it is obvious he shouldn't sing Oasis tunes anymore.. Buts songs like DLBIA are more associated with Noel than the Oasis brand as a whole. |
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Post by gdforever on Apr 16, 2011 14:06:07 GMT -5
Although I disagree, the fact remains the same: NOEL LEFT OASIS. Which is why it is obvious he shouldn't sing Oasis tunes anymore.. Buts songs like DLBIA are more associated with Noel than the Oasis brand as a whole. I don't think that DLBIA is more associated with Noel individually than it is with Oasis. |
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Post by shoofee on Apr 16, 2011 14:38:24 GMT -5
Although I disagree, the fact remains the same: NOEL LEFT OASIS. Which is why it is obvious he shouldn't sing Oasis tunes anymore.. Buts songs like DLBIA are more associated with Noel than the Oasis brand as a whole. No, completely disagree. For example, DLBIA when it comes on the radio isnt noted as being Noel Gallagher doing DLBIA, its noted as Oasis. Thats not going to change. The only people who associate it the way you suggest are us, hardcore Oasis fans. To a casual listener, its an Oasis song. The casuals are more important at a gig than the hardcore in Noel's mindset. He's even said this as much with his explanation as to why setlists barely changed. I would prefer Noel do what Beady Eye are doing. Just leave Oasis alone. I have a feeling he will play an Oasis song or two though. I wont hold it against him, but it seems too easy. I like that Beady Eye have challenged themselves despite me not caring for much of their material on record. |
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Post by gdforever on Apr 16, 2011 14:44:26 GMT -5
Buts songs like DLBIA are more associated with Noel than the Oasis brand as a whole. No, completely disagree. For example, DLBIA when it comes on the radio isnt noted as being Noel Gallagher doing DLBIA, its noted as Oasis. Thats not going to change. The only people who associate it the way you suggest are us, hardcore Oasis fans. To a casual listener, its an Oasis song. The casuals are more important at a gig than the hardcore in Noel's mindset. He's even said this as much with his explanation as to why setlists barely changed. I would prefer Noel do what Beady Eye are doing. Just leave Oasis alone. I have a feeling he will play an Oasis song or two though. I wont hold it against him, but it seems too easy. I like that Beady Eye have challenged themselves despite me not caring for much of their material on record. Exactly so! |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 16, 2011 15:28:43 GMT -5
I have a strong feeling that it's going to be hard for Noel to get into America's mainstream, even if the tunes are there.
Oasis was a brand. Whether Americans liked them or not, they knew the name. No one here knows who Noel Gallagher is.
Just like Paul Weller, Ian Brown, etc, Noel will always be unknown by America.
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Post by shoofee on Apr 16, 2011 15:53:09 GMT -5
I have a strong feeling that it's going to be hard for Noel to get into America's mainstream, even if the tunes are there. Oasis was a brand. Whether Americans liked them or not, they knew the name. No one here knows who Noel Gallagher is. Just like Paul Weller, Ian Brown, etc, Noel will always be unknown by America. If the record is strong enough and is well received, then he may get some. The bigger issue is his age. Young people drive the mainstream here, and most young Americans cant identify with a 40+ Englishman. I would not bet on Noel having widespread solo success here, but he will do better than Weller and Ian Brown. They barely had any success here with their bands, but Oasis saw a LOT more in comparison. The more apt comparisons to Noel solo would be to a lesser extent Richard Ashcroft and to a greater extent, Thom Yorke. Yorke's solo album reached #2. Noel wont reach that, but he will have more success than Ashcroft, Brown, and Weller here just based on his history with Oasis. Another one Noel may be able to match solo success wise is Morrissey. Morrissey has had top 20 solo records in the US, and as recently as 2009. |
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Post by bdiplayer on Apr 16, 2011 16:48:32 GMT -5
You.ve got old farts like U2 breaking stadium attendance records from even older farts like the Stones...at this rate, the Gallaghers can look forwards to a multi-million payday for a 'greatest hits' tour when they are well into their 60s...it's not a problem, other than being 'non Rock-n-Roll'.
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Post by shoofee on Apr 16, 2011 16:57:53 GMT -5
You.ve got old farts like U2 breaking stadium attendance records from even older farts like the Stones...at this rate, the Gallaghers can look forwards to a multi-million payday for a 'greatest hits' tour when they are well into their 60s...it's not a problem, other than being 'non Rock-n-Roll'. Its completely unfair to Oasis to compare them (commercially) to U2 or the Stones. U2's commercial success dwarfs Oasis' by leaps and bounds. U2 also have never toured as solo acts. The Stones have also been around since the early 60s and have such a longstanding fanbase its ridiculous. Oasis has known maybe a fraction of the success of those two bands who are at the extreme of a spectrum. I agree that when Oasis reform, it will be a big deal anywhere they play. However, thats under the Oasis brand name, not Beady Eye or Noel Gallagher. |
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Post by shoes222 on Apr 17, 2011 19:50:39 GMT -5
Noel can do whatever the fuck he wants. Those songs are very much a part of him, they're almost extensions of his personality, if you want to get psychological about it. If he feels like playing or not playing Don't Look Back in Anger at any given gig, he should be able to do what he wants without everyone on here speculating about what that means for his commercial success.
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Post by GIMH on Apr 18, 2011 6:49:13 GMT -5
. We have 15 years worth of DLBIA version in so many forms...isn't that enough for a couple years? The vast majority of fans don't listen to bootlegs and trail round the Internet looking for different versions though, and they don't come on places like this to look up the setlist. These are people who may have seen oasis once, twice, ten times - but for a lot of these, seeing oasis ten times means they've heard ten live versions of DOn't Look Back in Anger. That's a bit different from people like us who browse forums like this that have hundreds of versions from 95-09 that we have dissected. That doesn't necessarily mean he should play it but I don't think yours is necessarily an argument against it for the bulk of the people who would be likely to attend such a concert. |
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Post by oasisfanboy on Apr 18, 2011 7:12:45 GMT -5
Should Paul McCartney not play Beatles songs? Dave Gilmour not play Pink Floyd songs? Perhaps Morrissey shouldn't be playing Smiths songs at Glasto this summer?
Of course Noel should play the songs he wrote in Oasis, alongside his new stuff. It's totally normal.
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Post by rick88 on Apr 18, 2011 7:25:03 GMT -5
I think it's fair for Noel to play songs he writes. I guess if BDI wanted to play songs they wrote in Oasis then thats also fair but what would be the point? Noel has written some amazing songs in the band. Relatively speaking the other lads material doesn't stand up and for them to play material that noel wrote is a bit Gunnes and Rosses for me. In the same way as Noel shouldn't play Songbird or a bell will ring
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Post by timekeeper on Apr 18, 2011 10:22:39 GMT -5
I'm not sure why BDI are not playing the Oasis songs they wrote because it would make their concerts much more awesome. Definitely a mistake not to be playing songs like Songbird and I'm Outta Time.
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on Apr 26, 2011 12:26:01 GMT -5
The only Oasis song Beady Eye could play (and by that I mean play and still have any credibility) is Songbird. This is because:
a) If they were to play Oasis songs it would have to be the "classics" - i.e. Definitely Maybe, Morning Glory, and the singles from Heathen Chemistry and DBTT. The rest just aren't popular enough to warrant being played
b) They can't play any pre-2000 songs as Gem and Andy weren't a part of Oasis then, so they don't really have much of a link to them. Liam obviously does, but it wouldn't be the same without Noel
b) Although Songbird isn't a classic as such, it was well received, popular and was played live regularly over the past 10 years. Liam wrote it and the other two played on it, so there is a strong link.
Noel on the other hand wrote all of the classics. I imagine his gigs will be mainly acoustic, so they'll be different to what we're used to. They're his songs and he can play them if he likes.
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Post by songbirdsally on Apr 26, 2011 13:39:38 GMT -5
The only Oasis song Beady Eye could play (and by that I mean play and still have any credibility) is Songbird. This is because: a) If they were to play Oasis songs it would have to be the "classics" - i.e. Definitely Maybe, Morning Glory, and the singles from Heathen Chemistry and DBTT. The rest just aren't popular enough to warrant being played b) They can't play any pre-2000 songs as Gem and Andy weren't a part of Oasis then, so they don't really have much of a link to them. Liam obviously does, but it wouldn't be the same without Noel b) Although Songbird isn't a classic as such, it was well received, popular and was played live regularly over the past 10 years. Liam wrote it and the other two played on it, so there is a strong link. Noel on the other hand wrote all of the classics. I imagine his gigs will be mainly acoustic, so they'll be different to what we're used to. They're his songs and he can play them if he likes. I'm outta time Liam wrote it, Andy & Gem played on it and it's a classic  |
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Post by oct71952 on May 2, 2011 20:00:16 GMT -5
I know nothing about music industry. So copyright is decided by author? If the writer is Noel, even the song is on an Oasis album, does he still have exclusive right to the song?
personally, I prefer new things.
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Post by Leezy on May 3, 2011 5:26:10 GMT -5
Beady Eye can play 'their' Oasis tunes all day long, its their songs, only thing they couldn't do is use any of the Oasis recordings on any releases as Sony or whoever own the copyright to them actual recordings. There's no way Noel would probably let them play stuff like Wonderwall, Supersonic, Roll With It or tracks like that cause they're HIS songs.
Its probably best for Beady Eye, as well as Noel, to just concentrate on new songs and starting over all again, look at Paul Weller, took many many years for him to finally start playing The Jam tracks in his live sets again.
Beady Eye are definitely going about it all the right way and are putting Oasis behind them, if anyone, Noel would probably be the one to play a few old Oasis tracks in his live set just to boost the number of tracks up, and rightly so, 90% of Oasis most important music was written by the Chief.
...Thats not to say Liam, Gem and Andy can't write good music, I'm just saying the best thing for them is to get out of Noels shadow and prove that they can write good music on their own... which they seem to be doing really well.
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Post by gdforever on May 8, 2011 0:55:50 GMT -5
Noel said before that you don't have to ask permission to even record a cover, of someone else's song as long as you don't change the lyrics or arrangement. a
And there must be even less a restriction of live covers.
BDI could sing a full of Noel-written Oasis songs if they wanted to legally and Noel could do anything but ridicule them...but they'd lose face and be admitting defeat.
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on May 10, 2011 12:01:23 GMT -5
I'm outta time Liam wrote it, Andy & Gem played on it and it's a classic Hardly a classic though, in terms of chart position alone it was the weakest single for 15 years, even ignoring the mixed reception both live and on the record. |
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Post by songbirdsally on May 10, 2011 13:24:50 GMT -5
I'm outta time Liam wrote it, Andy & Gem played on it and it's a classic Hardly a classic though, in terms of chart position alone it was the weakest single for 15 years, even ignoring the mixed reception both live and on the record. Seriously? Wasn't around back then so didn't know. I my book it still is a classic though, brilliant song! ;D |
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Post by GIMH on May 13, 2011 16:12:32 GMT -5
Definitely a classic.
The reason it was the lowest charting single since (I think) Shakermaker was probably that they literally offered no new songs as b-sides, just remixes. I've kinda gone on about this elsewhere over the past few days, but it's no coincidence that the DOYS singles were the worst performing oasis ones, chartwise, since the early days, given that a whole ONE b-side was offered (and that's a contender for one of their worst b-sides as well). The songs didn't seem any less popular then those that had preceeded them.
I think if I'm Outta Time had been released when Songbird was, it would have got good press much as Songbird did.
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Post by dion on May 13, 2011 17:44:07 GMT -5
I'm Outta Time is a much better song that Songbird, it would have fitted nicely into their set as well. Beady Eye still had everything to prove, so it's understandable they wanted to do it on their own.
Noel will do his acoustic stuff if he needs to pad the live shows out a bit, things like Sad Song, The Masterplan, Half the World Away and DLBIA are Noel's songs and he'll sing them until he quits all together and so he should, they were written and sung by him and had nothing to do with any of the members of Beady Eye. He has nothing to prove and he's been doing "solo" gigs for ages now, this time round he'll just have new songs.
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on May 15, 2011 16:17:49 GMT -5
Definitely a classic. The reason it was the lowest charting single since (I think) Shakermaker was probably that they literally offered no new songs as b-sides, just remixes. I've kinda gone on about this elsewhere over the past few days, but it's no coincidence that the DOYS singles were the worst performing oasis ones, chartwise, since the early days, given that a whole ONE b-side was offered (and that's a contender for one of their worst b-sides as well). The songs didn't seem any less popular then those that had preceeded them. I think if I'm Outta Time had been released when Songbird was, it would have got good press much as Songbird did. I agree with that. But it wasn't released when Songbird was, nobody really showed any interest in DOYS or the singles once the initial hype died down, and the DOYS songs weren't really very well received live (Falling Down and Waiting for the Rapture aside). Whether or not that was to do with the setlist is up for debate - I'm Outta Time was between TIOBI and Wonderwall/Supersonic, TBWTL was between Cigarettes and Alcohol and The Masterplan, etc) - but I can only comment on what I witnessed. |
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Post by GIMH on May 17, 2011 6:33:16 GMT -5
The times changed a lot between 2003 and 2008 as well. The Songbird video was on all the music channels heaps before it was released as a single. The only places I've ever seen the I'm Outta Time video are the oasis site, iTunes and the Time Flies DVD. That might be the fact that I'm not a lazy student bum like I was when Songbird was released as well though  |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2011 6:25:40 GMT -5
Should Paul McCartney not play Beatles songs? Dave Gilmour not play Pink Floyd songs? Perhaps Morrissey shouldn't be playing Smiths songs at Glasto this summer? Of course Noel should play the songs he wrote in Oasis, alongside his new stuff. It's totally normal. I get your point and I totally agree, but I just have to say that Morrissey's band does a horrible job with This Charming Man and he'd be better off not playing it at all. A bit off topic, but I was appalled when I heard his band's take on it. |
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