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Post by shoes222 on Apr 12, 2011 10:35:22 GMT -5
That's another good point. Noel is the sole songwriter here, which isn't the case with BDI. Every new song that he comes out with that's not on the album will be a big deal, and there will be buzz around it just like there was for his soundcheck songs from 2009. I wouldn't want him to play a bunch of songs we've never heard before all at once, just for the sake of filling out a setlist.
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Post by gdforever on Apr 12, 2011 11:10:22 GMT -5
What is with this myth that someone can't fill a setlist with new material. There was the same myth before BDI started playing gigs.
With the album tracks and b-sides and think Noel will do just fine.
I think it'd be exciting if Noel began to debut songs live as well.
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Post by shoes222 on Apr 12, 2011 11:14:47 GMT -5
You can, but it's not always the best idea. When Oasis performed Glastonbury in 1995, they played a bunch of songs and b-sides off of Morning Glory, which hadn't been released yet. Obviously those are fantastic songs, but Noel said he regrets doing that because the audience wasn't yet familiar with the songs, so they weren't as into it.
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Post by gdforever on Apr 12, 2011 11:24:17 GMT -5
You can, but it's not always the best idea. When Oasis performed Glastonbury in 1995, they played a bunch of songs and b-sides off of Morning Glory, which hadn't been released yet. Obviously those are fantastic songs, but Noel said he regrets doing that because the audience wasn't yet familiar with the songs, so they weren't as into it. Stupid to do at a festival. I'll give you that. Wouldn't even recommend it for arena or stadiums. Too many casual fans. At all smallish club gig with hardcore fans who have paid $50 tp see you? Adding a single new song that's gonna be on your next album or be your next b-side is a treat. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2011 0:46:17 GMT -5
I can't imagine him not doing DLBIA at his solo gigs. It's too good of a song not to play.
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Post by BlueJay on Apr 13, 2011 1:31:03 GMT -5
Just look at other performers in a similar position.
Ray Davies as a solo artist always plays Kinks songs in his live shows that he wrote, as does Paul McCartney (he even performs A Day In the Life) , Ian Brown and Morrissey who all perform Beatles, Stone Roses and Smiths songs respectively. Morrissey didn't even write the Smiths songs he still performs.
So I think that Noel can play any Oasis songs he likes, even Liam-sung ones (but this would be unlikely).
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Post by mezmerised on Apr 13, 2011 2:08:35 GMT -5
Just look at other performers in a similar position. Ray Davies as a solo artist always plays Kinks songs in his live shows that he wrote, as does Paul McCartney (he even performs A Day In the Life) , Ian Brown and Morrissey who all perform Beatles, Stone Roses and Smiths songs respectively. Morrissey didn't even write the Smiths songs he still performs. So I think that Noel can play any Oasis songs he likes, even Liam-sung ones (but this would be unlikely). But McCartney waited a couple of years before playing Beatles songs in concert. Ian Brown didn't do Roses songs either for some time as far as I know. I think it has to do with wanting to do something different and to prove oneself and because it would feel a bit weird to play the old band's songs right after the break up. McCartney actually only started playing many Beatles songs during his world tour 89/90. He said that before it had always felt like playing the ex-girlfriend's songs but that after all these years he had decided those songs were too good to not be played, especially since he had never played some of them live before. I don't think Noel will wait 20 years until he plays Oasis songs again but I kind of doubt that he will play them right now. Especially not the well-known ones. Old b-sides are more likely but only two or three at the max I'd say. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2011 11:16:00 GMT -5
Noel doesn't need to prove himself tough. Brown was signaled out to be the least likely to succeed after the Roses broke up, everyone was banking on Squire. McCartney, though in a better situation, was still over shadowed by Lennon.
Beady Eye had something to prove, Noel has nothing to prove. Everyone knows who wrote the masterpieces.
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Post by spaneli on Apr 13, 2011 11:18:16 GMT -5
I can't imagine him not doing DLBIA at his solo gigs. It's too good of a song not to play. I would definitely agree. DLBIA is so ingrained into Noel and the fan base, that I think that he'll have to do it (he might even have to do Wonderwall). I don't mind if he does DLBIA or Wonderwall. As long as he doesn't have more than 2 or 3 Oasis songs in any set list that he does, then I'll take that. |
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Post by spaneli on Apr 13, 2011 11:20:30 GMT -5
Noel doesn't need to prove himself tough. Brown was signaled out to be the least likely to succeed after the Roses broke up, everyone was banking on Squire. McCartney, though in a better situation, was still over shadowed by Lennon. Beady Eye had something to prove, Noel has nothing to prove. Everyone knows who wrote the masterpieces. Completely agree, BDI were trying to step out from the shadows Oasis. What's the rational for Noel? He's trying to step out of his own shadow? Doesn't make sense to me. Noel will do a couple of Oasis tracks. I'll be surprised if he doesn't. Just as long as he doesn't go over board or something, I'll take it. Wouldn't surprised me if we saw 3 Oasis tracks, 2 actual covers, and then the rest being new songs in his live tracklist. |
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Post by kimallenbewick on Apr 13, 2011 12:15:48 GMT -5
This is not about Noel performig Oasis songs and BDI not, as I see it, Noel can perform the songs he wrote so the others can perform the songs they wrote.
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Post by supernovadragon on Apr 13, 2011 12:54:30 GMT -5
He will end up doing Oasis songs. Espically DLBIA and maybe Wonderwall but I doubt that one. Maybe HTWA as well seeing how everyone started loving the song (non-Oasis fans I mean) because of The Royle Family.
I think he will have a ten track album - one b-side per single: say three singles
Live:
9 tracks off the album
DLBIA and HTWA
Three covers
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Post by gdforever on Apr 13, 2011 13:55:47 GMT -5
Those who think that Noel doesn't have something to prove are insane.
He needs to prove that he doesn't need his brothers voice to make a compelling album. Sure he had a song here and there on Oasis albums but the bulk of the album was Liam. And Liam voice has boosted some mediocre material over the years.
Songwriting-wise he is still gonna have to step out from him own DM/WTSMG shadow like he has been fighting to do since 2000.
He is going to be judged against the much more formidable 90's Oasis songbook...whereas latter-day Oasis was mentioned more with BDI.
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Post by mezmerised on Apr 13, 2011 17:18:35 GMT -5
Noel doesn't need to prove himself tough. Brown was signaled out to be the least likely to succeed after the Roses broke up, everyone was banking on Squire. McCartney, though in a better situation, was still over shadowed by Lennon. Beady Eye had something to prove, Noel has nothing to prove. Everyone knows who wrote the masterpieces. But he already gets critized now for the possibility that he might keep Oasis songs in his setlist. Liam has said a couple of times that Beady Eye play gigs just on the strength of their new songs whereas Noel will rely on Oasis songs once he starts touring. The guy from the Guardian said the same in his (otherwise positive) review of Noel's RAH gigs: he wrote that there was an unusual sense of exitement among the fans, all wondering what Noel might do that night but that expecting to hear something new or different at a Noel Gallagher gig was a bit like standing in front of an ATM expecting it to start dispensing custard. Now this guy has hardly ever had anything positive to say about Noel but I think this is exactly what his critics will say when Noel decides to keep the obvious Oasis crowdpleasers (DLBIA, Wonderwall, etc) in his setlist. Of course it's up to Noel whether he cares about these things but it would be easy to avoid this kind of criticism. And it's been going on for years now. Complaints about him playing it safe, not mixing the setlists up enough, just giving the audience what they want, blablabla. And now that no fans can get disappointed anymore about not hearing their favourite Oasis song during a concert it would be the perfect opportunity to prove these people wrong and do something completely different. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2011 23:15:31 GMT -5
I can't imagine him not doing DLBIA at his solo gigs. It's too good of a song not to play. I would definitely agree. DLBIA is so ingrained into Noel and the fan base, that I think that he'll have to do it (he might even have to do Wonderwall). I don't mind if he does DLBIA or Wonderwall. As long as he doesn't have more than 2 or 3 Oasis songs in any set list that he does, then I'll take that. I think it'd be fine with more Oasis tunes, just lesser known ones. You've Got The Heart of a Star, Let's All Make Believe, Let There Be Love... Lots of cool tunes I'd love to hear Noel perform. Though, knowing him, that's wishful thinking at it's finest. |
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Post by gdforever on Apr 16, 2011 0:11:31 GMT -5
I can't imagine him not doing DLBIA at his solo gigs. It's too good of a song not to play. I would definitely agree. DLBIA is so ingrained into Noel and the fan base, that I think that he'll have to do it (he might even have to do Wonderwall). I don't mind if he does DLBIA or Wonderwall. As long as he doesn't have more than 2 or 3 Oasis songs in any set list that he does, then I'll take that. Noel doesn't HAVE to do anything. If his 'fanbase' won't go and see him if he doesn't play big Oasis songs they weren't 'his' fanbase anyways. They'd just be bereft Oasis fans unwilling to move on. His better off leaving them to their old concert DVD's and bootlegs of Oasis and not be suckered in to their nostalgic wibblings for tunes from another time. If he puts something safe like DLBIA in the the set for the very first tour...I think I'll be disappointed. He's been singing that song at most shows (all shows?) since WTSMG hasn't he? Don't we have enough versions of fricking DLBIA in it's various form for Noel to set it down for a tour or two? The most I hope he does is the odd lesser known Oasis b-side. Hopefully one that has never been done live before. |
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Post by spaneli on Apr 16, 2011 0:17:36 GMT -5
I would definitely agree. DLBIA is so ingrained into Noel and the fan base, that I think that he'll have to do it (he might even have to do Wonderwall). I don't mind if he does DLBIA or Wonderwall. As long as he doesn't have more than 2 or 3 Oasis songs in any set list that he does, then I'll take that. Noel doesn't HAVE to do anything. If his 'fanbase' won't go and see him if he doesn't play big Oasis songs they weren't 'his' fanbase anyways. They'd just be bereft Oasis fans unwilling to move on. His better off leaving them to their old concert DVD's and bootlegs of Oasis and not be suckered in to their nostalgic wibblings for tunes from another time. I only said that DLBIA was ingrained into the fan base, I never said that he had to play it because of the fan base. I was really trying to make a point that, DLBIA is really ingrained with Noel. I think that Noel might find it hard to leave that song in the past, especially because it was a song that he never really got tired of playing. It was easy for Liam to leave Wonderwall, he started getting pretty annoyed with it after a while, but I don't think that Noel ever got really tired with DLBIA or Wonderwall. |
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Post by gdforever on Apr 16, 2011 0:33:18 GMT -5
Noel doesn't HAVE to do anything. If his 'fanbase' won't go and see him if he doesn't play big Oasis songs they weren't 'his' fanbase anyways. They'd just be bereft Oasis fans unwilling to move on. His better off leaving them to their old concert DVD's and bootlegs of Oasis and not be suckered in to their nostalgic wibblings for tunes from another time. I only said that DLBIA was ingrained into the fan base, I never said that he had to play it because of the fan base. I was really trying to make a point that, DLBIA is really ingrained with Noel. I think that Noel might find it hard to leave that song in the past, especially because it was a song that he never really got tired of playing. It was easy for Liam to leave Wonderwall, he started getting pretty annoyed with it after a while, but I don't think that Noel ever got really tired with DLBIA or Wonderwall. So what if he still likes it? He still likes alot of tunes from over the years. But @ the end of the day...he isn't in Oasis anymore. He left it. He wanted to be solo. This isn't his acoustic tours anymore where is his billed as Noel Gallagher from Oasis anymore. He is putting out something solo...a different project. As much a different project as BDI is for Liam. He doesn't need that tune. He should give it a rest. Then when he pulls it back out in another couple years it'll be that much more amazing. Frankly taking one of his best Oasis tunes and slotting it into the new set is asking for trouble. Everything else will pale in comparison to the pure nostalgic love that fans have had for years for that tune. And that is even if the new material is really good. It was a highpoint of Oasis shows...and Oasis shows were littered with classics from those early days with the same kind of nostalgic appriciation attached. Take BDI. Their album is alright...but they only play their new material and it sound pretty solid live from the bootlegs I've heard. But if they slotted LF, CS, or Wonderwall in there. Tell me that the new music wouldn't pale substantially in comparision. Maybe Noel's album will be as strong and solid as DM and WTSMG...but even if it is...those songs aren't gonna be able to hold their own against DLBIA. There is so much love for that song amongst the fanbase it's unbelievable. If he plays it in the beginning...he's gonna have to play it forever. Sometimes you just need a clean break. We have 15 years worth of DLBIA version in so many forms...isn't that enough for a couple years? |
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Post by BlueJay on Apr 16, 2011 1:59:48 GMT -5
^^Was 40 years of playing 'Satisfaction' enough for Stones fans? Hell no! they want to hear it every time they see them.
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Post by gdforever on Apr 16, 2011 10:17:55 GMT -5
^^Was 40 years of playing 'Satisfaction' enough for Stones fans? Hell no! they want to hear it every time they see them. Noel isn't Oasis. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 16, 2011 10:20:32 GMT -5
If anything, Noel should take it as a compliment that people want to continually hear songs that he's written 15+ years ago! That's pretty amazing when you think about it.
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Post by gdforever on Apr 16, 2011 10:25:14 GMT -5
If anything, Noel should take it as a compliment that people want to continually hear songs that he's written 15+ years ago! That's pretty amazing when you think about it. Besides the point. Noel runs the risk of becoming a heritage act to his former self. Oasis was already pretty damn near there. He needs to draw a line in the sand IMO...the way BDI have done. |
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Post by BlueJay on Apr 16, 2011 11:11:18 GMT -5
^^Was 40 years of playing 'Satisfaction' enough for Stones fans? Hell no! they want to hear it every time they see them. Noel isn't Oasis. No, but he's about nine-tenths of Oasis. |
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Post by songbirdsally on Apr 16, 2011 11:16:23 GMT -5
No, but he's about nine-tenths of Oasis. Although I disagree, the fact remains the same: NOEL LEFT OASIS. Which is why it is obvious he shouldn't sing Oasis tunes anymore.. |
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Post by Rifles on Apr 16, 2011 11:21:03 GMT -5
I used to think Noel would be ok doing a couple Oasis tracks, DLBIA included, but after reading your posts, gd, I have to step back from that. If he were to play any of the big tracks like WW or DLBIA that would have a snowball effect and you'd end up with more casual fans showing up to gigs and people shouting out requests for Live Forever, CS etc.
Beady Eye would have the same problem if they threw in any Oasis classics. Not only would they stand out from the rest of the set, but fans would react much more strongly to those songs and the rest would feel like a let down. By eliminating that from the get-go, Liam and co. can just hop on stage and play without worrying about people heckling with Oasis requests or the crowd sort of dying down after an Oasis classic.
It gives people a different mindset going into the gig.
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