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Post by jilliam on Mar 24, 2011 19:10:14 GMT -5
I am not an expert on this stuff. But sometimes people use different people to produce vs mix right. Nice to see you back I hope he does not let vlad to mix his album Who's "Vlad"?
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Post by manualex on Mar 24, 2011 19:17:28 GMT -5
I hope he does not let vlad to mix his album Who's "Vlad"? Vlado Meller who made the mastering in famous albums like Californication and (What's the story)Morning Glory? among many others. A review of a user of discogs could explain it better than myself www.discogs.com/artist/Vlado+Meller
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Post by Rifles on Mar 24, 2011 19:18:21 GMT -5
Seriously though. This is ridiculously awesome news. I may have peed a little.
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Post by worldsoutro on Mar 24, 2011 19:20:10 GMT -5
I hope its not Sardy... The production value on DBTT is horrible!
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Mar 24, 2011 20:12:40 GMT -5
There's a lot of people on here talking about production as if they actually know what they're talking about. Sardy gets a bad rap because the two albums he did were the only two albums that Noel didn't have the majority of the production control over so it sounds different to the early albums. Now Morning Glory, that's a horribly produced album. Fantastic album but possibly the worst produced of all Oasis albums.
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Post by Rifles on Mar 24, 2011 20:23:14 GMT -5
I don't get the hate on Sardy either. To me, the best sounding Oasis albums from a purely sonic standpoint have been SOTSOG and DOYS. SOTSOG was the first time I ever really noticed bass on an Oasis album and DOYS is so crisp, clear and rich. It sounds great to me.
I know he didn't produce SOTSOG, but DOYS is loud and thumping when it needs to be and gentle when called for. Don't understand what people complain about when it comes to production on that album.
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Post by manualex on Mar 24, 2011 20:30:08 GMT -5
There's a lot of people on here talking about production as if they actually know what they're talking about. Sardy gets a bad rap because the two albums he did were the only two albums that Noel didn't have the majority of the production control over so it sounds different to the early albums. Now Morning Glory, that's a horribly produced album. Fantastic album but possibly the worst produced of all Oasis albums. The quality of production on DM, MG, BHN and HC was bad to poor and only worked on the first two because the tunes where there and not in the latter two. But then SOTSOG was an anomality to the rule since Noel was a co-producer in that one and it's the best one(DOYS is shy of it i must say)
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Post by spaneli on Mar 24, 2011 20:32:10 GMT -5
There's a lot of people on here talking about production as if they actually know what they're talking about. Sardy gets a bad rap because the two albums he did were the only two albums that Noel didn't have the majority of the production control over so it sounds different to the early albums. Now Morning Glory, that's a horribly produced album. Fantastic album but possibly the worst produced of all Oasis albums. The quality of production on DM, MG, BHN and HC was bad to poor and only worked on the first two because the tunes where there and not in the latter two. But then SOTSOG was an anomality to the rule since he was a co-producer in that one and it's the best one(DOYS is shy of it i must say) Would def have to agree. The early Oasis albums are all poorly produced. SOTSOG and DOYS probably are the 2 best production jobs for an Oasis album.
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Post by bwilder on Mar 24, 2011 20:55:33 GMT -5
Exponentially more excited for Noel's album than I was for Beady Eye, as everyone should be. I look forward to Noel's album, but not as much as I did with Beady Eye You're on crack.
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Post by spaneli on Mar 24, 2011 23:05:25 GMT -5
I look forward to Noel's album, but not as much as I did with Beady Eye You're on crack. I get why he would say that. With BDI it was the unknown which really made it excited. It was the not knowing what they were going to do or how it was going to turn out. With BDI the possibilities ranged from being a big turd, to being decent, really good, or magnificent. With Noel, its almost a given that he'll at least make a decent album with some really solid tunes. The only questions that are left are: What direction will he go with in term of musical genre? or, Whether his album will be as AMAZING as people think it will be.
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Post by jilliam on Mar 25, 2011 0:03:47 GMT -5
Exponentially more excited for Noel's album than I was for Beady Eye, as everyone should be. I look forward to Noel's album, but not as much as I did with Beady Eye I haven't even heard Noels new stuff with all the rumours about him working with Sardy, I kind of wish he'd gone a different route and worked with someone he'd never worked with, Stephen Street?John Leckie the possibilities seem endless. Noels stuff is the safe bet, acoustic and power ballads, with plenty of 3mn guitar solos lol.
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Post by spaneli on Mar 25, 2011 0:17:11 GMT -5
I look forward to Noel's album, but not as much as I did with Beady Eye I haven't even heard Noels new stuff with all the rumours about him working with Sardy, I kind of wish he'd gone a different route and worked with someone he'd never worked with, Stephen Street?John Leckie the possibilities seem endless. Noels stuff is the safe bet, acoustic and power ballads, with plenty of 3mn guitar solos lol. I just don't think it will be as straight forward as a ton of people think it will be. Idk, I just have a feeling that he's gonna pull out something unexpected.
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Post by jilliam on Mar 25, 2011 1:19:36 GMT -5
I haven't even heard Noels new stuff with all the rumours about him working with Sardy, I kind of wish he'd gone a different route and worked with someone he'd never worked with, Stephen Street?John Leckie the possibilities seem endless. Noels stuff is the safe bet, acoustic and power ballads, with plenty of 3mn guitar solos lol. I just don't think it will be as straight forward as a ton of people think it will be. Idk, I just have a feeling that he's gonna pull out something unexpected. I sure as fuck hope so. I'd almost be disappointed if he kept himself under that whole Oasis box. I'm ready fir new sounds, different direction in his songs. Hoping for some better lyrics too. None of that mumbo jumbo "oh, they don't mean anything" he needs to stop putting himself down and force himself to come up with better lyrics instead of taking the easy way out and just not really giving them much effort. It's like, Oasis didn't fucking break up, only to have Noel still sound like Oasis, know what I mean?
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Post by shoes222 on Mar 25, 2011 1:52:58 GMT -5
Am I the only one who thinks the production on Be Here Now was excellent? On songs like Don't Go Away and Fade In-Out the vocals are crystal clear and the instruments sound like they're right next to you. On D'You Know What I Mean and All Around the World they made the guitar parts sound far more intricate than they really were.
And SOME of the songs on Morning Glory were produced well, particularly the softer ones. The production of Wonderwall stands out in particular.
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Post by OasisKid99 on Mar 25, 2011 2:28:58 GMT -5
I just don't think it will be as straight forward as a ton of people think it will be. Idk, I just have a feeling that he's gonna pull out something unexpected. I sure as fuck hope so. I'd almost be disappointed if he kept himself under that whole Oasis box. I'm ready fir new sounds, different direction in his songs. Hoping for some better lyrics too. None of that mumbo jumbo "oh, they don't mean anything" he needs to stop putting himself down and force himself to come up with better lyrics instead of taking the easy way out and just not really giving them much effort. It's like, Oasis didn't fucking break up, only to have Noel still sound like Oasis, know what I mean? You can hope for whatever you wish, but I personally will be shouting from the fucking roof tops if I get to hear at least 4 or 5 new Noel songs with lyrics that can match "TIOBI, TMP, CNS, Gas Panic, WFL, WDIAGW, SMC, LAMB, DYKWIM, OWR, CUA, YGTHOAS, POTQ, LTBL, Falling Down, The Turning, Sad Song, Slide Away, Rockin'Chair, etc. Yeah, some really poor lyrics on those tracks Stop being so damn lazy Noel! The man has always been his harshest critic, I'd have to guess that's one of the reasons why he is so damn good at what he does. He's always pushing himself even if he will never admit it. And please, try not to put too much stock in anything Noel has to say about his own songs in interviews. He hardly ever expresses his true feelings to journalists when it comes to discussing his music.
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Post by Heebeejeebies on Mar 25, 2011 5:06:57 GMT -5
I don't get the hate on Sardy either. To me, the best sounding Oasis albums from a purely sonic standpoint have been SOTSOG and DOYS. SOTSOG was the first time I ever really noticed bass on an Oasis album and DOYS is so crisp, clear and rich. It sounds great to me. I know he didn't produce SOTSOG, but DOYS is loud and thumping when it needs to be and gentle when called for. Don't understand what people complain about when it comes to production on that album. Agreed on DOYS. It is simply a beautiful-sounding album. Some albums grate on the eardrums, but that one is a joy to listen to. If Noel's new album sounds anything like it, I'll be thrilled! All I'm hoping for in terms of the actual songs is that he includes 'If I Had A Gun'. The soundcheck version is orgasmic.
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Post by matt on Mar 25, 2011 8:54:51 GMT -5
Some songs on Dig Out Your Soul are well produced - Shock of the Lightning and Soldier On, but some are downright messy. There's nothing special about the early Oasis albums, but it had that echoey feel to it and it sounded as if you were in an arena listening to the band. Dave Sardy's albums sound flat and dull - sound as if they were recorded in the 1960s. I've heard other albums he's produced and it's all dull, dull, dull. No ambition from him at all - safe pair of hands, perhaps why Noel has hired him?
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Post by Leezy on Mar 25, 2011 9:24:29 GMT -5
Fuck sake! Sardys an excellent producer! DBTT and DOYS are easily 2 of the best produced Oasis albums (really like the deeper more electronic vibe of SOTSOG as well). The first few albums are poorly produced, no denying it, Morning Glory (the track itself) is really badly recorded/mixed, so much so that the majority of the parts get lost in the noise, the drums in particular).
Anyway, Noel finally working on his solo album is great news, I'm sure he's got something special up his sleeve and if Dave Sardy is working on the project also then I for one have extremely high hopes...
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Post by NYR on Mar 25, 2011 10:30:23 GMT -5
I look forward to Noel's album, but not as much as I did with Beady Eye You're on crack. then i must be on crack, too. everybody knows what noel's capable of. beady eye, on the other hand, not so much. that's why i was much more excited to hear beady eye's record.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 25, 2011 10:45:35 GMT -5
I think Sardy got it right for DBTT. Remember, that's the sound the band wanted for the album - so if you want to be disappointed then that emotion should be more targeted at the band.
Concerning DOYS, I don't think it's bad production per se. Although I would like to know who's 'brilliant' idea it was to hide the choir in The Turning. What an asinine decision.
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Post by manualex on Mar 25, 2011 10:53:31 GMT -5
I think Sardy got it right for DBTT. Remember, that's the sound the band wanted for the album - so if you want to be disappointed then that emotion should be more targeted at the band. And remind that DBTT were made at several diferent sessions(4 i think but im not sure) and Sardy made a good work on it Concerning DOYS, I don't think it's bad production per se. Although I would like to know who's 'brilliant' idea it was to hide the choir in The Turning. What an asinine decision. And hiding the vocals of noel in Bag It Up and the outro of TSOTL
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Post by Bellboy on Mar 25, 2011 11:23:42 GMT -5
Anticipation & hype ahead!!
This must have been what it was like to be a Beatles fan after the break up. Alot of solo stuff, Band & collaborations & the possibility of a constant churn of music releases & tours. When 1 finishes another one starts!
OK without the internet obviously...and minus Ringo! lol
These are exciting Gallagher esc times my friends.
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Post by gdforever on Mar 25, 2011 13:10:16 GMT -5
I think Sardy got it right for DBTT. Remember, that's the sound the band wanted for the album - so if you want to be disappointed then that emotion should be more targeted at the band. Concerning DOYS, I don't think it's bad production per se. Although I would like to know who's 'brilliant' idea it was to hide the choir in The Turning. What an asinine decision. I think the choir thing was Sardy's decision. I remember Noel telling a story about him asking why the choir was turned down so low. Sardy said "we don't want it to overwhelm the sound" and Noel said "there is 50 of them...that kind of the point!"
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Post by oneeye on Mar 25, 2011 13:16:44 GMT -5
I find it very strange that in this day and age, no-one would have thought to take a photo of Noel either in the studio or leaving the studio? ??
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 25, 2011 13:17:19 GMT -5
I think Sardy got it right for DBTT. Remember, that's the sound the band wanted for the album - so if you want to be disappointed then that emotion should be more targeted at the band. Concerning DOYS, I don't think it's bad production per se. Although I would like to know who's 'brilliant' idea it was to hide the choir in The Turning. What an asinine decision. I think the choir thing was Sardy's decision. I remember Noel telling a story about him asking why the choir was turned down so low. Sardy said "we don't want it to overwhelm the sound" and Noel said "there is 50 of them...that kind of the point!" Yup, I remember that interview, too. Shame, though, really.
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