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Post by spaneli on Apr 4, 2011 10:56:40 GMT -5
I'd like for the album to be pretty experimental actually. As long as Noel doesn't go off the rails, I wouldn't mind hearing a very experimental album.
Noel is a great songwriter, but sometimes his greatest weakness is that he doesn't take his songs as far they could go. Now I'm not saying that he should experiment on every tack just for the hell of it, or to prove himself to be amazing, but there are certain songs where Noel could have taken them a bit farther, instead of doing Oasis by the numbers. I think that probably stems from his fear of making another BHN.
I would like to see Noel break out of that trap. I would happily take an album that's greatly influenced by AA. Mainly because I have confidence that Noel can format any type of influence into his style. Really in the end that's what we're talking about. He's not going to do a 180 on his sound, no one ever really changes their sound or style. He'll always have those certain Noel calling cards within his song. I think in the end, we get an album that has a lot of AA influence, yet an album that transitions that influence to fit in Noel's style.
I don't think people should be worried that Noel is going to make a album that's completely alien to them. I think that Noel is incapable of doing that, well maybe that's not the right term to use, but maybe unwilling to do that. Noel will stay within the comfort zone that his style has provided him, but I think that he will take in the influence of AA. Noel is perfectly capable and willing to do that. He really can take anything and put it into his style.
And to a point I think that Noel needs to do that. He needs to break away from that Oasis sound, yet stay within his own comfort zone. And I think that AA provides the avenue by which he can do that.
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Post by matt on Apr 4, 2011 11:07:35 GMT -5
With AA producing, I just hope this album won't end up being too 'extreme' for most people... I hope it pisses everyone off. I want him to do the album he wants to, not some dadrock piece of wank that only fanboys will get a kick out of. Completely agree - I hope he takes it far. I would still really like to hear some ballads in the vein of If I Had A Gun, but if we're getting boring dadrock like Force of Nature, Waiting For The Rapture (album version not the really good alt version) and Full On , then forget it. You know that middle bit in the AA Falling Down mix, the bit with the lush strings and Noel's distorted vocals? That's what I'd like him to aim for. What is important is that he should expand his musical pallette. Towards the end of Oasis, I thought it was boring how it was just same old guitar, bass and drums. It would be nice to listen to Noel's album and go, 'wow, lovely string section here', 'oh a xylophone solo - didn't see that one coming!', 'nice piano ditty there' etc, etc. I want this album something that the critics and us fans can enjoy, plus there will be people who didn't like Oasis keeping an eye out on this aswell. I hope he's ambitious and throws the kitchen sink at it. Anyway, I think we might get this album next year rather than this year. I think he'll put the album on his shelf and leave it to gather dust for a few months until he feels like releasing it. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2011 11:09:38 GMT -5
I hope it's fucking mental. Maybe not as mental as the AA remix, but I wan't something new and exciting!
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Post by bonkers on Apr 4, 2011 11:27:24 GMT -5
i hope every track is different from the last and he really goes for it would like to hear If had a Gun done in the style of Idlers Dream though, think my penis would throb hard for that!!!  |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 4, 2011 11:32:12 GMT -5
With AA producing, I just hope this album won't end up being too 'extreme' for most people... That's my concern, too.... |
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Apr 4, 2011 11:37:09 GMT -5
I might be the only one, but I actually hope his new stuff is in the same style as his classics. Not only because that's what he's best at, but also because I want him to be successfull, too.
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Post by spaneli on Apr 4, 2011 11:38:05 GMT -5
With AA producing, I just hope this album won't end up being too 'extreme' for most people... That's my concern, too.... I think it will only be extreme, if you're expecting the Oasis sound. Like I said, Noel knows his comfort zone and his style. And the chances of him doing a 180 are pretty slim. I think it's more likely that he assimilates AA's influence into his own style. I don't think that Noel will go Radiohead (not to say that Radiohead is a bad band) on us. I think he'll stay well within his comfort zone. That being said, I don't think he's going to make Oasis like music. But I don't think he'll go crazy on us. |
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Post by shoes222 on Apr 4, 2011 11:41:30 GMT -5
With AA producing, I just hope this album won't end up being too 'extreme' for most people... That's my concern, too.... I actually wouldn't be concerned, the more I think about it. All Noel songs start out the same way, as just a few basic chords on an acoustic guitar. It's the way Noel writes, and it's the way he has always written. So even if the album ends up sounding crazy mental with fifty different instruments and pianos and strings and ambient effects, if you strip all that back there's always a melodic, solid acoustic foundation you can trace back to. That won't ever change in Noel's music no matter how experimental he gets, because it's the only way he knows how to write songs. |
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Post by spaneli on Apr 4, 2011 11:43:46 GMT -5
I find it funny how a couple of weeks ago everybody's biggest concern was that we would get an album full of dreary acoustic stuff, now everyone's worried that Noel will go off the deep end.
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Post by gdforever on Apr 4, 2011 12:05:22 GMT -5
I find it funny how a couple of weeks ago everybody's biggest concern was that we would get an album full of dreary acoustic stuff, now everyone's worried that Noel will go off the deep end. This. Some of you are being very boring. Everyone said the reason they were more excited about BDI was that we didn't know what to expect. And Noel everyone figured we knew what was coming...especially with the assumption of the Dave Sardy connection. In the end BDI ended up turning out a retro-inspired pop-rock album (sound familiar?). Pretty good...but hardly worthy of all the hype of "they could be anything without Noel." Honestly none of those songs are something I could NEVER imagine Oasis doing. Now it comes down to it and I think it's very exciting that Noel could be the one to produce the album that would never have been made by Oasis. I think Noel's taste is Noel's taste, though and he will still be writing the same way. I think that shoe222 hit the nal on the head saying that reagardless of what the production sounds like...at the core of it will be Noel's songs...and Noel writes melody based tuens on acoustic guitar. They can dress it up anyway they like...but when it's stripped back it'll still be Noel. Additionally I am excited that he is using AA for production because Noel doesn't actually seem to have a great deal of respect for producers. He does seem to have a lot of respect for artists though. My hope is that he will be more willing to use AA as a sounding board and take their advice since they are artists that he respects so much. |
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Post by shoofee on Apr 4, 2011 12:47:32 GMT -5
I find it funny how a couple of weeks ago everybody's biggest concern was that we would get an album full of dreary acoustic stuff, now everyone's worried that Noel will go off the deep end. This. Some of you are being very boring. This shouldnt be a surprise on here. Not all, but a lot of people on this forum tend to have very white bread taste. They fear anything that steps outside of the norm and are as shallow as a puddle of dog piss on the sidewalk. That's why there's so many complaints about charts on this forum. Noel isn't going to make a Radiohead album. He should make something that steps outside of the Oasis box as he was doing near the end of Oasis. Just the people he was choosing to remix his tracks (Banhart, AA, etc.) were not typical "Oasis-like" selections. In contrast, Beady Eye just made an Oasis album without Noel. Noel wont make an Oasis album. |
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Post by Cast on Apr 4, 2011 13:08:43 GMT -5
I find it funny how a couple of weeks ago everybody's biggest concern was that we would get an album full of dreary acoustic stuff, now everyone's worried that Noel will go off the deep end. spot on. spot on. Basically with each passing day i'm getting more excited for this release. I really trust Noel's ability music wise and i don't think i'll be disappointed with him no matter what direction he goes, hopefully that is because the man can make mistakes. |
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Post by kimallenbewick on Apr 4, 2011 13:17:45 GMT -5
It's Noel. Whatever he does, it will be great I think.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2011 13:20:37 GMT -5
(providing this is a legit story) just think, the falling down remix was done by AA without any input from noel... so imagine AA+Noel working on ideas together.. this album should be pure gold |
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Apr 4, 2011 13:22:43 GMT -5
Now it comes down to it and I think it's very exciting that Noel could be the one to produce the album that would never have been made by Oasis. If I want an album that's totally unlike Oasis...there are about a million bands out there, many of them very good too. The reason I'm excited for Noel's album is the possibility of having another de-facto-Oasis album. And I don't really believe that Noel can just do something completely different from what he did the last 20 years. BDI is a great example for that - they wanted a fresh start, and yet it turned out a lot like Oasis, because that's their style. |
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Post by shoes222 on Apr 4, 2011 13:32:28 GMT -5
Now it comes down to it and I think it's very exciting that Noel could be the one to produce the album that would never have been made by Oasis. If I want an album that's totally unlike Oasis...there are about a million bands out there, many of them very good too. The reason I'm excited for Noel's album is the possibility of having another de-facto-Oasis album. And I don't really believe that Noel can just do something completely different from what he did the last 20 years. BDI is a great example for that - they wanted a fresh start, and yet it turned out a lot like Oasis, because that's their style. Yes but Noel is far, far more musically creative than anyone in BDI. As far as we're aware, nobody in BDI could write something like Falling Down or Teotihuacan. Even something atmospheric like Stop the Clocks or Gas Panic!. They wouldn't even care to. Noel does like to branch out more than he cares to admit. |
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Post by shoofee on Apr 4, 2011 13:37:11 GMT -5
Now it comes down to it and I think it's very exciting that Noel could be the one to produce the album that would never have been made by Oasis. If I want an album that's totally unlike Oasis...there are about a million bands out there, many of them very good too. The reason I'm excited for Noel's album is the possibility of having another de-facto-Oasis album. And I don't really believe that Noel can just do something completely different from what he did the last 20 years. BDI is a great example for that - they wanted a fresh start, and yet it turned out a lot like Oasis, because that's their style. Listen to Noel's tracks on the last two Oasis albums. TIOBI, Mucky Fingers, POTQ, Falling Down, High Horse, Rapture (espc the alt version). There's a progression from the two records in regards to Noel's tunes. Noel's own material is much unlike the stuff the rest of the band was making. He can write "Oasis" songs in his sleep. I think he wants to challenge himself more these days. Its not about being the best in the world. Been there done that. He writes differently when he's writing a song with Liam in mind for vocals, especially melodically. Those songs tend to be very straightforward. Even something like The Turning wasn't traditional in the Oasis mold sense. |
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Apr 4, 2011 13:38:39 GMT -5
^Of course. I still hope he doesn't try to be too creative - I can't say I really like AA, tbh.
Anyone remember that statement Alan McGee made about Noel's new songs? If there is any truth to that, his songs are at least comparable to LF or DLBIA. Dunno how credible Alan McGee is, though...
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Post by shoofee on Apr 4, 2011 13:45:28 GMT -5
^Of course. I still hope he doesn't try to be too creative - I can't say I really like AA, tbh. Anyone remember that statement Alan McGee made about Noel's new songs? If there is any truth to that, his songs are at least comparable to LF or DLBIA. Dunno how credible Alan McGee is, though... Don't pay attention to anything McGee says. He's essentially a fanboy. I personally hope Noel goes fucking nuts and out there. I want him to shock everyone. How can you say "I hope he doesnt get too creative?" Why stunt something like that? Let er rip, Noel. Would you have told Lennon and McCartney not to get "too creative"? Thats ridiculous. |
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Post by manualex on Apr 4, 2011 13:45:55 GMT -5
^Of course. I still hope he doesn't try to be too creative - I can't say I really like AA, tbh. Anyone remember that statement Alan McGee made about Noel's new songs? If there is any truth to that, his songs are at least comparable to LF or DLBIA. Dunno how credible Alan McGee is, though... The guy said that DOYS was better than REVOLVER and it isnt...  |
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Post by gdforever on Apr 4, 2011 14:01:17 GMT -5
Now it comes down to it and I think it's very exciting that Noel could be the one to produce the album that would never have been made by Oasis. If I want an album that's totally unlike Oasis...there are about a million bands out there, many of them very good too. The reason I'm excited for Noel's album is the possibility of having another de-facto-Oasis album. And I don't really believe that Noel can just do something completely different from what he did the last 20 years. BDI is a great example for that - they wanted a fresh start, and yet it turned out a lot like Oasis, because that's their style. I don't think you need to worry too much. Noel likes melody, Noel writes on acoustic guitar, Noel is still carrying with him all the influences that he had in the past...he's just added a few more over the years but I don't think he is going to forsake all the former influences that he has been harking back to for years. He's not going to go electropop or the album just being odd psychedelic soundscapes like AA does on their own. |
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Post by retrolego on Apr 4, 2011 14:19:16 GMT -5
Personally i want Noel to experiment by bringing in many styles to fit his style like a glove which he is more than capable of. However i want him to keep writing songs with his genious simplicity such as idlers dream. I wouldnt want an album that could have been over produced but then again its Noel so he will probably prove me wrong. Loving all the hype so soon after DGSS, but not looking forward to the endless uses of that 'I' again.  |
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Post by johnnyb on Apr 4, 2011 14:19:34 GMT -5
Ive got faith in Noel to produce something brilliant whichever direction it is, the point about his tunes being born out of an acoustic guitar is a good one, my favourite thing about SOTSOG is the sound effects and different instruments used especially Gas Panic, i think it will follow that structure to a bigger extent with hopefully better songs.
I do hope we see the likes of RM or everybodys on the run see the light of day so we have a few typical Noel tunes to give it a nice mix, but i doubt this due to Noels vision of how an album flows.
Does anyone think Noel wants to be hugely succesful with this album or do you think hes past caring about all that now seen as though hes been there and done it? I know that seems like a stupid question but by the sound of it hes either gonna blow everyones minds with something completely original or put the masses off with their possible expectation of an oasis-by-numbers record.
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Post by gdforever on Apr 4, 2011 14:37:19 GMT -5
^ I don't know. Noel always professed not to care about chart positions...but then he could be blase about it as Oasis were pretty much a lock for #1 @ least in the UK and decent chart positions in various countries around the world...even got some decent chart position in the US later on there.
Generally I think that he did do his best to ensure that the albums had the best chance they could. I don't think he cares that much but I think he recognises the benefits of your album or singles sitting at the top of the charts in terms of recognition, promotion, sales, and the ability to reach people.
I don't think that he cares about chart positions...but I think it's naive to think that he doesn't care if his album makes an impact on the public. His music has never been anonymous or underground. He has been a songwriting powerhouse in the UK since 1994...I don't think he wants to give that up...and part of that is to get many people to listen to your music.
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Post by johnnyb on Apr 4, 2011 14:56:09 GMT -5
Yeah, i personally want to see him be a global superstar, i know that sounds extreme when America comes into question but look at what Adele has achieved over there, im not comparing them, i think Adele has got an amazing voice but her songs are pretty simple and i think Noel can easily wrtie better tunes but her promo has been second to none.
I dont think he cares about being big in the US but i think he could be if he wanted to, maybe if he did an x factor USA stint as a judge just for a few weeks would give him massive exposure especially with how entertaining and controversial he could be.
Anyway im massively looking forward to his album either way, sorry for veering off topic a bit
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