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Post by Rifles on Apr 6, 2011 14:50:59 GMT -5
Ok so not EVERYONE, haha. A majority seemed to be leaning towards the same feelings I have. Excuuuuuuuuuuse me
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Post by shoes222 on Apr 6, 2011 15:13:26 GMT -5
I agree with everyone so far. I hope this story of him re-working the album to appease others is false. I hope we get some new and different things from Noel. If anyone can pull it off, it'd be him. I might be alone here but I honestly don't see it as a bad thing if he takes others' suggestions, as long as they don't compromise his artistic integrity. Noel doesn't always make the best decisions when it comes to his songs. He even admits himself that he wishes somebody had told him to reign it in on Be Here Now and to spend more time on it.
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Post by Rifles on Apr 6, 2011 15:19:39 GMT -5
I agree with everyone so far. I hope this story of him re-working the album to appease others is false. I hope we get some new and different things from Noel. If anyone can pull it off, it'd be him. I might be alone here but I honestly don't see it as a bad thing if he takes others' suggestions, as long as they don't compromise his artistic integrity. Noel doesn't always make the best decisions when it comes to his songs. He even admits himself that he wishes somebody had told him to reign it in on Be Here Now and to spend more time on it. That's a good point. I'm not saying he shouldn't take any suggestions at all, but I'd hate to see him re-work an entire album. I would like to hear what he came up with considering it's whole album and not a song or 2. If he worked up a couple songs and people were like "dude, those are shit, what are you doing?", that's another story. We're talking a whole Noel Gallagher album...i'd hate to see him alter the entire thing. BHN is one of those things that's easy to look back on and say "yeah i wish someone had said something" but even if that shit happened all over again, it would end up the same way. They were riding way too high at that point. Everyone around them was raking in money and i'm sure everything sounded brilliant at the time because they knew it was going to be massive. I mean it sold almost 10 million copies and is considered a bomb. When you're riding a wave like that, no one around you is thinking the wheels might come off.
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Post by jilliam on Apr 6, 2011 15:34:41 GMT -5
Has anyone else noticed in the middle photo above, Noel looks ANCIENT?! At least sixty years old, by the looks of things... Yup yup. I know its prob a copywright thing but, surely someone on here has to own a much younger looking Noel pic.
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Post by manualex on Apr 6, 2011 15:36:52 GMT -5
Has anyone else noticed in the middle photo above, Noel looks ANCIENT?! At least sixty years old, by the looks of things... Yup yup. I know its prob a copywright thing but, surely someone on here has to own a much younger looking Noel pic. Like this one ;D
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Post by bluemagpie on Apr 6, 2011 15:44:29 GMT -5
"Is it Paul McCartney? Is it Jimmy Page? No! It's Noel Gallagher, they look the same age!" But really, there are some fantastic pictures taken by board members of the TCT gigs (and others, I'm sure) -- maybe Webby could ask if they'd allow them to be used?
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Post by KeepOnNoeling on Apr 6, 2011 15:48:25 GMT -5
I agree with everyone so far. I hope this story of him re-working the album to appease others is false. I hope we get some new and different things from Noel. If anyone can pull it off, it'd be him. how can you agree with everyone? I sincerely hope Noel DOESN'T follow the same path as he did with those bloody shite remixes on DOYS All Noel needs is a guitar - the rest can be magical, so long as he has the songs. BUT ... if he comes out with an album that includes STC and Record Machine etc - people will forever wonder just how good that last Oasis album might have been? I agree. It's just my opinion, but I didn't like the direction that DOYS went in, nor did I particularly like AA's remix of Falling Down. It was nice as a one of, but I wouldn't want a whole album produced by them. I know Noel should do what he wants blah blah blah, but if he does go down a more Oasisy/mainstream route then people, myself included are more likely to like it. At the end of the day, thats what I want, an album that I like. Not one which Noel thinks is awesome because it's got a sitar in the background.
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Post by gdforever on Apr 6, 2011 21:03:09 GMT -5
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Post by XTRMNTRSCREAM on Apr 6, 2011 22:05:33 GMT -5
I agree with everyone so far. I hope this story of him re-working the album to appease others is false. I hope we get some new and different things from Noel. If anyone can pull it off, it'd be him. I might be alone here but I honestly don't see it as a bad thing if he takes others' suggestions, as long as they don't compromise his artistic integrity. Noel doesn't always make the best decisions when it comes to his songs. He even admits himself that he wishes somebody had told him to reign it in on Be Here Now and to spend more time on it. and now that same person who should of guided him is giving him awful advice.
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Post by timekeeper on Apr 6, 2011 22:12:36 GMT -5
You actually are rooting for a formulaic album, Lomax? Heck yeah. I don't want anything that sounds like the DOYS remixes or 22 minute Falling Down. I want songs like Let There Be Love, which is a true classic and one of my favorites. And maybe stuff that sounds like STC, Sunday Morning Call, and You've Got the Heart of a Star. All among Noel's best work.
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Post by shoofee on Apr 6, 2011 22:25:49 GMT -5
You actually are rooting for a formulaic album, Lomax? Heck yeah. I don't want anything that sounds like the DOYS remixes or 22 minute Falling Down. I want songs like Let There Be Love, which is a true classic and one of my favorites. And maybe stuff that sounds like STC, Sunday Morning Call, and You've Got the Heart of a Star. All among Noel's best work. What makes you think that with AA involved that it would sound anything remotely like the 22 minute remix? And that question goes to everyone else here. Everyone's focusing on AA and not looking at the entire picture, when you consider the other talent he's brought on and that have been rumored to have worked on this. Jon Graboff is one of the best slide guitar players around. Bill-Ryder Jones is an excellent guitarist in his own right and used to play lead for The Coral. If its true that The Sand Band are going to be his touring band, their record is a wonderful, straight ahead English indie debut that reminds me more of Coldplay's Parachutes than anything else. I dont expect Noel to make a space rock album and neither should anyone else. Bringing in people with a different viewpoint to go along with Noel and Sardy could pay huge dividends creatively. The last thing I want is Noel to make a record full of dad rock dirge like the tracks you mentioned. You think that will be commercially successful??? Since you bring up commercial success, Sunday Morning Call is one of the weakest performing singles in Oasis' catalog compared to the singles prior to it. It and WFL right before it broke the streak of 1s and 2s in the UK and it failed to achieve a Silver in sales. How boring can you get?
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Post by timekeeper on Apr 6, 2011 22:35:45 GMT -5
I trust the label, his management, and M Russell to give good advice to make sure the album is commercially successful and that great songs like Let There Be Love and Lyla don't get left behind. We can only base our thoughts on the track record that AA has in the past in working with Oasis. And what have they done? They destroyed a song and made it unlistenable. I don't want them doing that to STC (which I do like by the way) or any of the other songs. If we have to and management recommends it, I say scrap the AA sessions and start from scratch with Sardy.
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Post by shoofee on Apr 6, 2011 22:43:46 GMT -5
I trust the label, his management, and M Russell to give good advice to make sure the album is commercially successful. We can only base our thoughts on the track record that AA has in the past in working with Oasis. And what have they done? They destroyed a song and made it unlistenable. I don't want them doing that to STC (which I do like by the way) or any of the other songs. If we have to and management recommends it, I say scrap the AA sessions and start from scratch with Sardy. Noel isn't a suffering musician and what you just said goes completely against the grain of any artist in the history of music and is pretty much an insult. If you said that to Noel, he'd laugh in your face probably. Marcus' motivation is making money. The whole rumored disagreement is that he doesnt think it sounds "commercial" enough. Why does that matter to anyone? You still don't get it with AA. They were asked to remix that track in their style. They did. Have you ever listened to "A Monstrous Psychedelic Bubble Exploding In Your Mind", take a listen to that on its own. Noel's label is his OWN, Sour Mash Records. He's in the same position as Beady Eye prior to their release. Big Brother/Beady Eye Records are also independent labels. The only thing they need majors for is distribution. In other words, he can put out whatever he wants to without label interference. He'll get a distribution deal however he wants one.
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Post by timekeeper on Apr 7, 2011 1:47:46 GMT -5
So you're saying the label & those around him messed up when they pushed Noel to put Lyla and Let There Be Love on DBTT? I'd have to disagree 100%. I think those are two amazing songs and I'm grateful that we got them. If the same people who pushed for those songs want to push Noel to make some adjustments to his solo album, I'm all for listening to them.
And I should add in response to something I noticed in your earlier thread, I think Who Feels Love is an awesome song. One of my all time favorites. We need more songs like that.
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Post by sourmashmusic on Apr 7, 2011 3:57:50 GMT -5
Love reading the posts guys but thought I should step in again! What some of you don't seem to understand is, as much as you think Noel is the 'Chief' and he can do what he wants, his management will have a huge influence over what happens. It has happened throughout their career, more than you think! Don't want to start too much speculation, but do you not think it's weird how considering how much they say they hated each other, they only split when they did!?
Anyway, as most of you are aware Noel is a very stubborn guy! Being in LA with AA and Sardy is his way of saying fuck you! He is going to work with them regardless, but reason he went over there was to keep his distant and do what he feels he needs to do with the album.
End of the day don't expect to hear anything completely leftfield from him! It won't go that way, everyone else around won't allow that to happen!
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Post by andymorris on Apr 7, 2011 4:10:47 GMT -5
Yeah that management has always been right. BHN promotion, for instance. or The Hindu Times, which is clearly reworked because they said it had to. You can clearly feel when Oasis songs are not spontaneous, it has marcus russell written all over it. Noel always had the good ideas. If you take DBTT, the amazing tracks are his: Mucky Fingers, TIOBI, Part of the Queue. Then you got stuff for the masses such as Lyla. Not saying it's a bad song, but it's obvious on this record what is Noel and what isnt. So if Noel says fuck it, i'll do what i want, then so be it. The man has rarely been wrong when it comes to his music. He'll never release something entirely out there anyway, the man loves melodies, it's always stood out on his songs, even on the most "adventurous" ones.
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Post by discworld on Apr 7, 2011 4:11:04 GMT -5
What I don't understand is that Noel complained before about the lack of support from his management. Why did he continue to work with them now ?
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Post by andymorris on Apr 7, 2011 4:14:25 GMT -5
What I don't understand is that Noel complained before about the lack of support from his management. Why did he continue to work with them now ? Confort zone i suppose; You know what you got but dont know what you can lose. Other managers would be worse.
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Post by deadman on Apr 7, 2011 4:21:19 GMT -5
The last thing I want is Noel to make a record full of dad rock dirge like the tracks you mentioned. You think that will be commercially successful??? Since you bring up commercial success, Sunday Morning Call is one of the weakest performing singles in Oasis' catalog compared to the singles prior to it. It and WFL right before it broke the streak of 1s and 2s in the UK and it failed to achieve a Silver in sales. How boring can you get? You've only got to listen to Noel's commentary track on WFL and SMC on the Time Flies DVD to realise that he's not going to be putting the next Little By Little on his record.
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Post by gdforever on Apr 7, 2011 5:33:11 GMT -5
I'm sure Ignition has some power...but only as much as Noel allows in the end. He is their client at the end of the day. They are management and PR. They are not record execs. He is not an artist locked into a contract with them where he is using THEIR money to record. Noel is recording on either his own dime directly or indirectly via Big Brother.
In the case of Lyla, wasn't there involvement from the record company as well? I would imagine there would have been.
I wonder, if this is true and Ignition continue to give him a hard time, if he'll dump them after this album.
After leaving Oasis I am sure he wouldn't have wanted to leave his management company at the same time. But if he feels he is fighting them...why would he stay? There are many management companies that I am sure would be willing to take on Noel Gallagher. He may not be as profitable a business as he used to be...but he is still a massive name ad would be a boon to any management companies roster. If he isn't getting what he wants from Russell...we all know that Noel doesn't flinch at canning someone if they start being more trouble than their worth.
Noel set up Big Brother to escape from the interference of record companies. I doubt he will voluntarily submit to interference my his management...who aren't even really in the music business.
Sourmashmusic...we appreciate the initial tidbit of knowledge. But frankly I don't believe that you are that close to the situation that you would know the minutiae of Noel vs. Ignitions power dynamic. You don't even know anything about the music. Stumbling onto a tidbit of knowledge does not make you an expert on the subject.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2011 6:00:09 GMT -5
I still think the Lyla story's bullshit anyway. He played it at the soundcheck at Poole in summer 2004. It was always under consideration for the album, not the afterthought Noel claimed it was.
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Post by bonkers on Apr 7, 2011 6:37:24 GMT -5
mrmonkey would know whats the story, shame he is no longer on the board now awaits some sad gimp to create an account and claim to be him
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Post by XTRMNTRSCREAM on Apr 7, 2011 7:42:50 GMT -5
I'm sure Ignition has some power...but only as much as Noel allows in the end. He is their client at the end of the day. They are management and PR. They are not record execs. He is not an artist locked into a contract with them where he is using THEIR money to record. Noel is recording on either his own dime directly or indirectly via Big Brother. In the case of Lyla, wasn't there involvement from the record company as well? I would imagine there would have been. I wonder, if this is true and Ignition continue to give him a hard time, if he'll dump them after this album. After leaving Oasis I am sure he wouldn't have wanted to leave his management company at the same time. But if he feels he is fighting them...why would he stay? There are many management companies that I am sure would be willing to take on Noel Gallagher. He may not be as profitable a business as he used to be...but he is still a massive name ad would be a boon to any management companies roster. If he isn't getting what he wants from Russell...we all know that Noel doesn't flinch at canning someone if they start being more trouble than their worth. Noel set up Big Brother to escape from the interference of record companies. I doubt he will voluntarily submit to interference my his management...who aren't even really in the music business. Sourmashmusic...we appreciate the initial tidbit of knowledge. But frankly I don't believe that you are that close to the situation that you would know the minutiae of Noel vs. Ignitions power dynamic. You don't even know anything about the music. Stumbling onto a tidbit of knowledge does not make you an expert on the subject. he is friends with alan mcgee.
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Post by gdforever on Apr 7, 2011 7:55:29 GMT -5
I'm sure Ignition has some power...but only as much as Noel allows in the end. He is their client at the end of the day. They are management and PR. They are not record execs. He is not an artist locked into a contract with them where he is using THEIR money to record. Noel is recording on either his own dime directly or indirectly via Big Brother. In the case of Lyla, wasn't there involvement from the record company as well? I would imagine there would have been. I wonder, if this is true and Ignition continue to give him a hard time, if he'll dump them after this album. After leaving Oasis I am sure he wouldn't have wanted to leave his management company at the same time. But if he feels he is fighting them...why would he stay? There are many management companies that I am sure would be willing to take on Noel Gallagher. He may not be as profitable a business as he used to be...but he is still a massive name ad would be a boon to any management companies roster. If he isn't getting what he wants from Russell...we all know that Noel doesn't flinch at canning someone if they start being more trouble than their worth. Noel set up Big Brother to escape from the interference of record companies. I doubt he will voluntarily submit to interference my his management...who aren't even really in the music business. Sourmashmusic...we appreciate the initial tidbit of knowledge. But frankly I don't believe that you are that close to the situation that you would know the minutiae of Noel vs. Ignitions power dynamic. You don't even know anything about the music. Stumbling onto a tidbit of knowledge does not make you an expert on the subject. he is friends with alan mcgee. The more you two talk the less I believe.
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Post by digoutyoursoul on Apr 7, 2011 8:09:08 GMT -5
Alan McGhee lives in Mountain Ash in Wales, this sourmash kid stacks shelves in HMV.
I wouldnt worry too much about it.
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