A few years ago at some festival, I forget which. I believe the Foos were performing and Noel was just there as a guest to watch or both were on the bill (again dont remember). Dave had a sign on his trailer that said something to the effect of "Only Noel Gallagher is allowed in". The respect is mutual. I dont want to see Noel go down the road of doing collaborations with other highly intense artists as Dave is, as it rarely works. Lennon/McCartney is a different breed since they basically grew up musically together. Im not much on the Foos, but Dave is awesome.

That said, this is a decent thread. I also think its extremely early. The album hasnt even been officially out two weeks yet despite a lot of us having heard it in its entirety for longer, to call anything or discount something a "classic" needs time to gestate.

Beady Eye is not awful. However, at least on record, its nothing special. Lyrically its got the depth of a puddle and its musically derivative, even moreso than Oasis ever was.

We can talk and talk about Noel's regression as years went on, but the man could still write absolutely spectacular songs. He, moreso than anyone else in Oasis, was clearly moving in other directions musically. The later half of Oasis shows this, as the songs Noel was singing tended to be more experimental. I remember hearing Falling Down for the first time (and that is a fucking great song) and being stunned by how different it was. Liam is more of the bread and butter, turn it up to 11, type of writer. He isn't much for nuance. Noel has learned to embrace nuance and take steps in other directions in almost every respect, whether it works or not is another story.

HC is the only blight on Noel at this point. There is very little on that album that is worth anything. Even the supposed good songs, like THT and SCYHO do not stand up, at least for me. I also think that Noel's single worst song came on DBTT (Let There Be Love). Let There Be Love is proof that some things just shouldnt be changed as Its a Crime is a very listenable tune in comparison.

I think its far to early to say anything definitive about Beady Eye. This debut is okay for what it is, but it's also lacking a lot in comparison to Oasis. There just doesn't seem to be much meaning behind half the songs on this record. It feels like a JET record almost, but its easily the best JET record ever made.

Im far more excited for what Noel brings to the table with his eventual solo debut. His songs (written and sung) on the last two Oasis albums were leagues above any of the other's contributions (with To Be Where Theres Life the one exception). I also believe that the only Liam sung/Noel written tune on the last two that stands up to Noel's sung songs was The Turning, which Liam couldnt get right outside of the studio.

The BDI vs Oasis thing is seriously wearing down and I think people could try to avoid talking about it before they are quite confident with their opinions.

For now, the songs are growing steadily in me right now (especially Millionaire) and in a few months may exceed BHN in my list of favorite Oasis albums. I usually don't care about those "single materials
"; they are good listens but don't really decide whether an album will be a classic or a disaster.

I don't see any hints of "should" there, wrongo! Did my best there to be rhetorical and respectful of other's opinions, apparently you missed that.

Certainty involves standing the test of time. A large part of people here STILL fight like a bunch of kids, and though calming down may not be the only solution, it's without doubt one of the best ones. The live tour has just started, no way a fan can start to see matters really objectively.

From a songwriting standpoint they really aren't. That's a widely accepted opinion.

If a song is good, if it's not it's not. If a song is poorly written it will make for a shit song. If it's well written it will make for a good song. You can't have shit songwriting and amazing songs.

I prefer Probably All in The Mind
I fall asleep at each listen of The Beat Goes On

Any Noel's version of Probably All In The Mind ?

I didn't say it was awful, I was just saying there are songs DGSS which are better than Noel's over the las 10 years. I have no doubt of that.

DGSS holds 65 on metacritic. DBTT holds 64 and DOYS 66. This doesn't necessarily mean anything, but my point is that only idiots says that it's worse than the later Oasis albums like it's a fact.

you're right. we should have certain guidelines to stop needless arguing. one of those points should be.....Noel's songwriting has slowed down but he can still write great songs. winning!