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Post by oasisfanboy on Mar 10, 2011 9:32:12 GMT -5
^^ Not trying to change your opinion - what would be the point in that? Just disagreeing, m'duck. Don't be so serious!
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Post by oasisnyk on Mar 10, 2011 12:55:43 GMT -5
What a laugh. Yeah, all THAT record contained was The Hindu Times, Stop Crying Your Heart Out, Little By Little, She is Love (like the lyrics or not, it's a solid tune), and always a favorite of my mine: Probably All in the Mind. I stopped reading right there because She Is Love SUCKS. It is not a solid tune, its a garbage tune that should never have been recorded. I'm sorry but you just cannot defend that song, its awful. I don't think I have been able to make it through it more than once. |
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Post by gdforever on Mar 10, 2011 12:55:56 GMT -5
^^ Not trying to change your opinion - what would be the point in that? Just disagreeing, m'duck. Don't be so serious! lol...m'duck? |
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Post by Headmaster on Mar 10, 2011 13:31:53 GMT -5
For me DGSS is DBTT part II without Noel.
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Post by start at the end on Mar 10, 2011 13:40:03 GMT -5
classics? If you ask 100 people to name 10 over the last 10 years there'd be 100 different lists with no more than one (song) of the same amongst them. Guarantee you that.
No more than 10 bands likely have 10 or more to begin with. Yes, bona-fide classics.
And nine times out of ten they're off the fist two to three albums, not because they're BETTER songs, per se, but because rock n roll has and always will be a YOUTH movement and by the time a 4th LP comes out, the YOUTH has aged nearly a decade and the NEW youth have moved in.
See SOTSOG
See U2.
See Pearl Jam
See Nirvana
See Arctic Monkeys
See just about 99% of the rock acts in the history of the genre.
Sure, acts like u2 and pearl jam have had great "careers" and great songs in the last ten years...but how many CLASSICS?
yeah that's right.
it's about timing and there's nothing any act can do about it.
I've conducted this "Oasis" experiment with 13 people now. None of their experiences with the band went a song or two beyond the US "big three" with Oasis: Wonderwall, DLBIA, and Champagne S.
Now, a few of these cats are what I would consider "duds" for their musical taste, but the other ten were pretty damn solid: rock n' roll types with pretty solid taste (outside of not being in to Oasis, of course).
I've taken what I thought were the top 3 songs off each Oasis LP. I put the 21 on a CD. Really, no surprises off any of them.
What did I find:
5 of the most popular 6 songs out of the 21 came off the last 3 LPs. They were: Hindu Times, SCYHO, The Turning, Falling Down, and Lyla.
If I recall correctly, Gas Panic was number 4. Proves these chaps had some taste, I suppose.
Live Forever, Morning Glory, Rock N Roll Star, D'you Know What I mean were all up there of course, but the stats are (and were) what they are.
My point? Rabid fans of Oasis are no different than rabid fans of ANY band I've come to know:
Almost universally, they adore the first 2-3 LP's without question, and the ensuing LP's are met with much more speculation and criticism, REGARDLESS of their quality.
For me, DBTT was/is a perfect example. Some days I still listen to it and actually think it MAY be their best record, overall, front to back Truly do.
But rarely doesn anyone place it amongst their top 3 Oasis LP's.
I don't think that's a coincidence.
And to my friends who I've turned onto the band over the last 3-4 yrs? At least 50% rate DBTT as #1.
Say what you want, but time and perspective HUGELY alter our criticism.
And many times, not for the better, in my view.
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Post by discworld on Mar 10, 2011 13:53:03 GMT -5
Your theory doesn't work with some bands : beatles, who, kinks, jam, ...
But
I am a fan of Oasis since 1994 and i never really understood the fans' obsession for the first 2 albums. the music of Oasis changed with age and I was happily getting older with them. I'm 30.
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Post by start at the end on Mar 10, 2011 13:58:18 GMT -5
Your theory doesn't work with some bands : beatles, who, kinks, jam, ... But I am a fan of Oasis since 1994 and i never really understood the fans' obsession for the first 2 albums. the music of Oasis changed with age and I was happily getting older with them. I'm 30. Of course it does. The bands you listed are amongst the 1% I specifically mentioned. The Kinks and the Jam classics? Please, they don't have three tunes 1 out of 100 americans can name. Of course they fare a bit better in the UK...the number prolly rises to 3/100. fine bands though. |
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Post by start at the end on Mar 10, 2011 14:03:49 GMT -5
Nevermind the Who and Beatles- who although of course are landmark bands- existed during the opening act of rock n roll:
A fraction of the competition.
No existing library of 2 million rock songs to compete against.
A population just freshly intlorduced to a brand new genre of music.
Sit down with a guitar and put three chords together.
Damn good chance, John, Paul, Pete, Bob, or Keith haven't already done...many times, TWICE for christ sake.
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Post by gdforever on Mar 10, 2011 14:04:35 GMT -5
Your theory doesn't work with some bands : beatles, who, kinks, jam, ... But I am a fan of Oasis since 1994 and i never really understood the fans' obsession for the first 2 albums. the music of Oasis changed with age and I was happily getting older with them. I'm 30. Of cours it does. The bands you listed are amongst the 1% I specifically mentioned. The Kinks and the Jam classics? Please they don't have three tunes 1 out of 100 americans can name. Of course they fare a bit better in the UK...the number prolly rises to 3/100. fine bands though. I am postive that most Americans could sing along with "You Really Got Me." The Jam...probably not the average person you are right. |
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Post by jesper on Mar 10, 2011 14:05:40 GMT -5
The melody in The Beat Goes On, is classic to me. I still hope/think it could be minor hit for Beady Eye. If Liams vocals were not so badly produced,the recording would also be at true classic. When i hear liams natural voice singing "its not even the end of the day" at the recent london gig, the old oasis magic comes back to me.
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Post by start at the end on Mar 10, 2011 14:19:44 GMT -5
I too will admit that The Beat Goes On is a truly great song. May take sometime to become a "classic"...if it ever does, but it's solid.
Funny, I didn't think much of it at all at first.
Most times, "classics" unless authored by the Stones or Bealtes, lol, are actually "fans of the band's" favorites.
The Masterplan: perfect example.
An Oasis "classic". But anything but anywhere in the world, overall. Even a megahit like wonderwall would prolly go 50/50 with a lot of non-oasis fans.
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Post by start at the end on Mar 10, 2011 14:22:07 GMT -5
Of cours it does. The bands you listed are amongst the 1% I specifically mentioned. The Kinks and the Jam classics? Please they don't have three tunes 1 out of 100 americans can name. Of course they fare a bit better in the UK...the number prolly rises to 3/100. fine bands though. I am postive that most Americans could sing along with "You Really Got Me." The Jam...probably not the average person you are right. Exactly. 2 bands, one "classic". |
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Post by gdforever on Mar 10, 2011 14:22:55 GMT -5
You don't have to like all classics to realise they are classics.
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Post by discworld on Mar 10, 2011 14:24:55 GMT -5
Of cours it does. The bands you listed are amongst the 1% I specifically mentioned. The Kinks and the Jam classics? Please they don't have three tunes 1 out of 100 americans can name. Of course they fare a bit better in the UK...the number prolly rises to 3/100. fine bands though. I am postive that most Americans could sing along with "You Really Got Me." The Jam...probably not the average person you are right. the Kinks and the Jam are of course less known but they are examples of bands that made their masterpieces after the two first albums. |
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Post by gdforever on Mar 10, 2011 14:25:07 GMT -5
I am postive that most Americans could sing along with "You Really Got Me." The Jam...probably not the average person you are right. Exactly. 2 bands, one "classic". You said neither had one. The Kinks have @ least 1 bonifide classic. About The Kinks I think you are wrong. How do you interpret that as you being right? |
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Post by start at the end on Mar 10, 2011 14:26:59 GMT -5
Exactly. 2 bands, one "classic". You said neither had one. The Kinks have @ least 1 bonifide classic. About The Kinks I think you are wrong. How do you interpret that as you being right? That's NOT what I said. READ what I said. |
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Post by start at the end on Mar 10, 2011 14:27:48 GMT -5
What I DID say:
"The Kinks and the Jam classics? Please, they don't have three tunes 1 out of 100 americans can name."
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Post by gdforever on Mar 10, 2011 14:32:41 GMT -5
classics? If you ask 100 people to name 10 over the last 10 years there'd be 100 different lists with no more than one (song) of the same amongst them. Guarantee you that. No more than 10 bands likely have 10 or more to begin with. Yes, bona-fide classics. And nine times out of ten they're off the fist two to three albums, not because they're BETTER songs, per se, but because rock n roll has and always will be a YOUTH movement and by the time a 4th LP comes out, the YOUTH has aged nearly a decade and the NEW youth have moved in. See SOTSOG See U2. See Pearl Jam See Nirvana See Arctic Monkeys See just about 99% of the rock acts in the history of the genre. Sure, acts like u2 and pearl jam have had great "careers" and great songs in the last ten years...but how many CLASSICS? yeah that's right. it's about timing and there's nothing any act can do about it. I've conducted this "Oasis" experiment with 13 people now. None of their experiences with the band went a song or two beyond the US "big three" with Oasis: Wonderwall, DLBIA, and Champagne S. Now, a few of these cats are what I would consider "duds" for their musical taste, but the other ten were pretty damn solid: rock n' roll types with pretty solid taste (outside of not being in to Oasis, of course). I've taken what I thought were the top 3 songs off each Oasis LP. I put the 21 on a CD. Really, no surprises off any of them. What did I find: 5 of the most popular 6 songs out of the 21 came off the last 3 LPs. They were: Hindu Times, SCYHO, The Turning, Falling Down, and Lyla. If I recall correctly, Gas Panic was number 4. Proves these chaps had some taste, I suppose. Live Forever, Morning Glory, Rock N Roll Star, D'you Know What I mean were all up there of course, but the stats are (and were) what they are. My point? Rabid fans of Oasis are no different than rabid fans of ANY band I've come to know: Almost universally, they adore the first 2-3 LP's without question, and the ensuing LP's are met with much more speculation and criticism, REGARDLESS of their quality. For me, DBTT was/is a perfect example. Some days I still listen to it and actually think it MAY be their best record, overall, front to back Truly do. But rarely doesn anyone place it amongst their top 3 Oasis LP's. I don't think that's a coincidence. And to my friends who I've turned onto the band over the last 3-4 yrs? At least 50% rate DBTT as #1. Say what you want, but time and perspective HUGELY alter our criticism. And many times, not for the better, in my view. I think it is less about it always being a bands first few albums being where they make their classics. It seems to me that it is really the 3-5 years after they hit mainstream. Not all bands hit the ground running. Sometimes it takes an album or two to find their voice. As for the Jam...they were only around for 5 years...so saying that any "classics" were later in their career isn't really saying much. |
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Post by gdforever on Mar 10, 2011 14:33:19 GMT -5
What I DID say: "The Kinks and the Jam classics? Please, they don't have three tunes 1 out of 100 americans can name." I see what you mean. What an awkward sentence. |
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Post by start at the end on Mar 10, 2011 14:38:32 GMT -5
The VAST majority of bands make their mark in their first three albums.
Pick 20 bands randomly who have made 6, 7, or 15 albums. Check out their greatest hits albums.
report back.
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Post by The Boy Without the Blues on Mar 10, 2011 15:22:30 GMT -5
It's not about classics, it's about none of BDI's tunes being better than those:
The Hindu Times
SCYHO
LBL
Shout It Out Loud
Lyla
POTQ
TIOBI
Bag It Up
The Turning
Waiting Fot The Rapture
TSOTL
FD
Who Put The Weight..
Maybe they aren't classics but they piss over anything in DGSS
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Post by start at the end on Mar 10, 2011 15:26:54 GMT -5
^ of course, someone else brought up the "classics" argument.
Put it this way: I think Oasis about off released 125 songs when you include the bsides and standalones. I doubt if 2 tunes off DGSS would crack the top 50.
And that says something pretty big to me.
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Post by songbirdsally on Mar 10, 2011 15:34:41 GMT -5
You don't have to over analyse the top 50 Oasis songs and see if any of Beady Eye's songs is in it or not.. Oasis is done. I'm happy they existed and I can listen to them whenever I want to. BUT I'm enjoying Beady Eye right now! A lot! It's the real deal! Gigs and everything! I'm happy it turned out this way, cause Oasis was in a dead end street anyways. At least now we've got somehing new & refreshing to listen to, and albums & gigs to look forward to!  |
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Post by start at the end on Mar 10, 2011 15:35:54 GMT -5
^ We can do whatever we want, lol. It's an internet forum for christ sake.
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Post by The Boy Without the Blues on Mar 10, 2011 15:41:57 GMT -5
^ of of course, someone else brought up the "classics" argument. Put it this way: I think Oasis about off released 125 songs when you include the bsides and standalones. I doubt if 2 tunes off DGSS would crack the top 50. And that says something pretty big to me. 100% agree |
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