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Post by pixarito on Feb 3, 2011 20:26:19 GMT -5
Liam recognized that thanls to oasis he's "adored by millions" by oasis he means the band, Noel was in it wasn't he? So in a sense Liam recognized that thanks to Noel he's where he is now.
Oasis were great, Noel IS a great songwriter, but don't tell me that Bring the light, The Roller, FLW, BAS, WOMR are not better than PYMWYMI, I Can see a liar or Roll it over? That's just blindness. These song are not Live Forever but they're better than some of Noel's mediocre and repetitive stuff. Oh yes, he's not perfect. I'm outta time is by far the best song on DOYS.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Feb 3, 2011 20:33:33 GMT -5
lol what a laughable post that was... just because one says "i loved Oasis and that includes both brothers" doesn't mean that you're not biased one way or the other(when it comes to who you prefer Liam or Noel). anyway, i too love Oasis but i remain objective and if there is something that i agree with you on, is that shit is shit any way you may wanna put it. Bring the Light is pure crap imo and i have no problem saying that, just as i have no problem saying that what i have heard so far from Beady Eye's album is already better than Dig Out Your Soul. So, for you to say that "Oasis was all Noel", i mean, that just makes you sound like a retard. No one will ever say that any member of BDI is on the same level as Noel in terms songwriting skills. Having said that, Noel himself hasn't been able to duplicate his own work from the early years. Now, am i suppose to believe Noel will suddenly come up with songs that are on par with the stuff on Definitely Maybe or The Masterplan? lol hell no! he hasn't showed in years that he can still write a classic, at least not what i'd consider to be a classic. Has he written good songs? of course he has. Ask anyone(who isn't biased) and they'll tell you that TSOTL and 4LW are pretty much on the same level. Again, I'm not saying BDI will be better than Oasis, im not even saying they'll be as good as Oasis, beacause after all, Noel is missing. But to say they are downright bad? now that is ridiculous and makes you sound like a biased Noel dickrider lol. i don't remember reading where andytr said Noel's solo album would be as good as his early songwriting efforts. also, 'the shock of the lighning' is better than all the BE songs heard so far combined. not to mention 'falling down'. all the picking sides and shit going on here is ridiculous. bottomline: Noel's a great songwriter. Liam's a great singer. 1+1= amazing.
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Post by spaneli on Feb 3, 2011 20:35:30 GMT -5
Wouldnt say IMO is the best song on DOYS, The Turning or Bag It Up would be my pick.
BDI has not made a bad song, and crap is crap. But they have only really been decent. There hasnt been 1 song thats really impressed me, or something that I would call "mega". FLW is an okay song and compared to BTL and TR, is a really good song. But on its own, I dont think FLW is that great.
Noel is a great songwriter, and always will be. I believe that Noel's highs are much better than whatever high BDI has, and Noel's lows wont be as bad as whatever lows BDI has. But to say that BDI have made complete crap, without him is just being blind. Have they set the world on the fire? No. Have they been amazing, or even really good? No. But they have not been crap. Just, okay.
edt: with Let It Bleed, dont know where all TSOTL bashing started. FLW anr TR, are better than the worse stuff on DOYS...I wouldnt say they're better than The Turning, Bag It Up, TSOTL, or even Falling Down, but thats just me.
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Post by gdforever on Feb 3, 2011 22:07:37 GMT -5
I think that BDI have done alright. They certainly haven't been putting their best foot forward though from all accounts. All their tunes have been alright thus far...and I agree that none of them have been amazing...or even great in my books. If I am objective they have been varying shades of "good."
As for Noel's soundchecks, I really like them! Not just because they are Noel either. I find myself singing them periodically. I have a hard time comparing them to fully realised BDI tunes though. But if I were given the choice between hearing a finished version of any of Noel's soundchecked tunes and anything off DGSS (except for TBGO) I think I'd go for the Noel tune.
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Post by worldsoutro on Feb 3, 2011 22:38:13 GMT -5
To be fair Tom. The few good tunes off of HC beat the songs we have heard from BDI and probaly will... I'am looking forward to this album.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2011 22:52:20 GMT -5
I am looking forward to this album, but I have been saying for weeks on here that BDI is going to be found wanting of quality songs. Not production, not volume, not delivery, but songs start to finish. Noel has a knack for writing songs that are just pure bliss to listen to and play. Liam does not have that ability. Gifts like that are rare to find, and you can't fake it.
Noel, Macca, Lennon, they all have the "it" that people are looking for in song writing. Harrison, Ringo, Liam, they simply don't. I love Harrison tunes but there is a reason he only got a cut or two per album, and thats because as a whole his songs were not as good, or classic. Compare solo efforts?
BDI will lack the strong penmanship that Oasis always enjoyed with Noel. Thats not a slight to them. Their album will be good I believe and certainly a quality listen, but it will lack the tracks that made us join this forum. Noel was always good for a solid 3 or 4 songs on every album that were brilliant.
Cheers!
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Post by Marcos on Feb 3, 2011 23:24:49 GMT -5
Of the 4 album tracks we've heard so far, Four Letter Word and The Roller really got my attention. Really enjoyed both of them for what they are. I don't see why they should be compared to this or that. That's stupid! Bring The Light and Beatles and Stones are alright. Funny little numbers if you will. I'm still very confident for the album, as we know from all the reviews so far, that Kill For A Dream, Wigwam, The Beat Goes On and The Morning Son are the real belters on it. Just hope they really are as good as being said.
For example, I remember by the time of DBTT, the first four tracks that 'leaked' were Mucky Fingers, The Meaning Of Soul, Keep The Dream Alive and Let There Be Love. I think they're all good songs but none of them are the best songs of that album. And DBTT is a great album.
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Post by SunshineLullaby on Feb 3, 2011 23:38:57 GMT -5
I am looking forward to this album, but I have been saying for weeks on here that BDI is going to be found wanting of quality songs. Not production, not volume, not delivery, but songs start to finish. Noel has a knack for writing songs that are just pure bliss to listen to and play. Liam does not have that ability. Gifts like that are rare to find, and you can't fake it. Noel, Macca, Lennon, they all have the "it" that people are looking for in song writing. Harrison, Ringo, Liam, they simply don't. I love Harrison tunes but there is a reason he only got a cut or two per album, and thats because as a whole his songs were not as good, or classic. Compare solo efforts? BDI will lack the strong penmanship that Oasis always enjoyed with Noel. Thats not a slight to them. Their album will be good I believe and certainly a quality listen, but it will lack the tracks that made us join this forum. Noel was always good for a solid 3 or 4 songs on every album that were brilliant. Cheers! I have to defend George here. My favorite Beatle has always been Paul, but one can easily make the case that George is a better songwriter than Noel. If you look at each man's respective best songs, George has the killer trio of Something, Here Comes The Sun, and While My Guitar Gently Weeps. Not saying Noel doesn't have great songs, because he obviously does. But I do think you're complicating things to a degree that they do not need to be. Every songwriter, no matter how good or bad, has to write dozens (hundreds, in some cases) of crap songs before getting to the actual good stuff. Which is why it took so long for George to develop; he's admitted this in the past. Why do I bring this up? I think Liam's much the same way. A very forgettable first entry to the Oasis catalog, but he's certainly been improving, albeit with noticeable bumps in the road along the way. While I do think songwriting is a talent, it's also a craft. One can improve, and improve significantly. And, at the end of the day, let's not forget that there's no such thing as "good" and "bad" in songwriting. I've written songs that I thought were so-so but people seemed to flip out over. And the reverse is true too: I've obsessed over a tune or two that I thought was brilliant while family/friends/fans thought was sort of...okay. A lot of people don't think Wouldn't It Be Nice is a great song. I think that's crazy, but that's just the way it goes. Sorry for being wordy on the subject, but I do think there's a strange combination of simplification and complication that occurs when people talk about Noel vs. Liam in terms of songwriting.
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Post by Beadasis on Feb 3, 2011 23:42:42 GMT -5
DGSS will be the best BDI/Oasis record of this millenium to date. Bank on it.
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Post by jakob61907 on Feb 3, 2011 23:51:59 GMT -5
This album goin by early review is gonna by far beat SOSG, HC and DBTT. I actually thought DOYS was tehr ebst album since WTSMG so not expecting better than tht, but itll be amazing. Bring on leak so can get early lsiten. Already pre orderd the album so im not a stinge
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Post by theultimatewannabe on Feb 3, 2011 23:55:39 GMT -5
The media is really repeating the same questions over and over and over again and I think it might be responsible for some people thinking that Liam slags off Noel every time. And he's only saying "BDI will be bigger man."
BDI prefers a lighter, rawer sound and that might be the reason for some people feeling there is something missing in the tracks. However the tracks don't really sound creative and that is a bad thing.
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Post by Silence Dogood on Feb 4, 2011 0:19:24 GMT -5
please, find me 4 "Noel songs" on Dig Out Your Soul that were "brilliant" ... they don't exist. I agree with those who said that BDI will lack what something Oasis had(read Noel) lol but hey... It's not like Noel wont suffer from the same thing, he wont be "Oasis by the numbers", he too will lack something Oasis had more than enough(attitude, delivery, etc) in other words, whatever BDI released --and this is something we're all in agreement-- will probably never touch any of the stuff Oasis did IN THE EARLY DAYS. by the same coin, i think Noel will never be able to surpass or even equal songs like Cig&Alcohol, Live Forever, Listen Up, etc etc etc etc etc.... he may write something as good, but he'll never be able to duplicate Liam's delivery. Liam's voice is unique, As Noel himself repeatedly said in the past, he may be the better singer but "Liam's got the better voice". It's just the way things are. Oh and i still think this upcoming album will be be better than DOYS.
the same argument works both ways. Liam's singing alone can't = greatness(at least not 'Oasis greatness') just like Noel's lyrics alone can't = greatness.
the reason most of us like Oasis so much was because the lyrics(not all of course) were great and the delivery was otherworldly as well.
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Post by Rifles on Feb 4, 2011 1:04:23 GMT -5
Some of you are drinking some strong Beady Eye kool-aid. Wow. Unless the rest of the songs are amazing, this album is going to be "ok". I hope it's better than what I've heard so far and there's some hidden gems that surpass those 30 second clips. BTL is crap. FLW is pretty good. The Roller is also pretty decent, but none of the tracks so far have any real staying power. I'm hoping there's a couple Slide Aways on the album...really good album tracks that could be singles.
To the person that said this album will be better than SOTSOG...unless Beady Eye pull a few rabbits out of their hat that can top FITB, GLIO and Gas Panic (i'd throw Roll it Over in there too...underrated and overlooked song)...there's no way DGSS can trump SOTSOG. I think it COULD rate higher than HC or even DBTT. I can't see it passing up any other Oasis album though.
And who the hell actually considers I'm Outta Time the best song on DOYS?
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Post by theultimatewannabe on Feb 4, 2011 2:26:54 GMT -5
To the person that said this album will be better than SOTSOG...unless Beady Eye pull a few rabbits out of their hat that can top FITB, GLIO and Gas Panic (i'd throw Roll it Over in there too...underrated and overlooked song)...there's no way DGSS can trump SOTSOG. I think it COULD rate higher than HC or even DBTT. I can't see it passing up any other Oasis album though. We are talking about the general quality of the album. SOTSOG does have some great tunes in it, but we all know that there are some terrible stuff in there which makes it one of the less favored ones. Me. It's at least top 3. We should take into consideration the fact that we haven't yet heard any of the tunes from the latter half of the album in full. The reviews that are out there generally mention TBGO, Wigwam, Morning Son and KFAD as the best ones. But I don't remember any of the reviews considering The Roller or FLW the best tracks, although some did say The Roller was one of the better ones. Millionaire, For Anyone, TRC (and rarely SOTEOTN) are also anticipated but we haven't listened to them either.
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Post by oneeye on Feb 4, 2011 2:27:17 GMT -5
some right idiots on here.
There's no point going on about how Liam wouldn't be where he's at today without Noel - BUT THE SAME CAN BE SAID ABOUT NOEL.
And if you dont like the BE album then dont thats up to you - you dont have to like it
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2011 2:29:45 GMT -5
I must say its Liam's voice that does it for me. He could sing the wheels on the bus and it'd sound fucking mega
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Post by letsmakebelieve on Feb 4, 2011 2:37:32 GMT -5
Can't some of you people just wait until the fucking album comes out/leaks, and you give it a few spins, before making a complete judgment on BDI? Sheesh.
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Post by gdforever on Feb 4, 2011 2:47:21 GMT -5
please, find me 4 "Noel songs" on Dig Out Your Soul that were "brilliant" ... they don't exist. I don't think that BDI have even touched the best of Noel's work on DOYS yet...let alone the past 4 albums. I think that TT, BIU, FD, and TSOTL are all rated a measure above any of the BDI tunes so far. I really like DOYS...if it would have carried the strength of the begining through to the end I would rate it much higher...but if I view Noel's tunes independently of the rest of the album as an EP, I would rate as brilliant. Certainly we can find sub-par Noel tunes that we can point out that BDI haven't sunk to. But the way to defend the value of BDI is not by saying that they aren't as bad as any of Noel's worst tunes. Noel had some duffs over the past 4 albums worth of tunes. So what? I personally think there are only 5 genuinely cringe-worthy tunes that are unargueably worse than even the least of BDI so far over the past 4 albums (PYMWYMI, ICSAL, GOYHHL, PAITM, FON) And only really 1 from the past 2 album...GOYHHL was indeed atrocious. But being better than those is hardly something to scream from the rooftops. So far they haven't been overly impressive. Nothing they have released would have brought the past 4 albums down had they been included...but if any of them had been on the past 4 albums none of them would have been highlights for me either...just very good album tracks.
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Post by cheerfuljamie on Feb 4, 2011 2:52:52 GMT -5
Love the way things get over analysed on here. Without trying to sound like Liam if you like it listen to it if you don't then don't. BDI have exceeded my expectations so far & harping back to Oasis is not for me. Be Here NOW
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Post by lillyjean123 on Feb 4, 2011 2:58:17 GMT -5
Listen u lot leave ashbee alone he is 100% real I was out with him in the town bar last week and we were chatting about this forum, any way he invited me round 2 his house were he played me that demo and I told him that if he downloads it to the forum it won't be worth a penny hope he takes my advice, and the way most of u speak 2 him u don't deserve to have him on this forum, the guy is a ledge beleive me !!!!
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Post by gdforever on Feb 4, 2011 3:26:36 GMT -5
Listen u lot leave ashbee alone he is 100% real I was out with him in the town bar last week and we were chatting about this forum, any way he invited me round 2 his house were he played me that demo and I told him that if he downloads it to the forum it won't be worth a penny hope he takes my advice, and the way most of u speak 2 him u don't deserve to have him on this forum, the guy is a ledge beleive me !!!! I think you are on the wrong thread my dear... I do find the fact that your account has been used to discuss nothing but Tony's book stuff...and save maybe 2 have all mentioned BigUn. It's a very convenient story by which BigUn can renege on his promise of the demo delivered by someone that joined just to talk about him...suspicious anyone? Honestly, I don't care anymore. Really...he can just tell us he has chosen not to share them anymore...no need for the farce. I think after coming up on 3 months the more sensible of us had already realised he wasn't going to share the demos.
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Post by psj3809 on Feb 4, 2011 4:27:42 GMT -5
is it just me that feels let down by beady eyes new songs? i love oasis cos they were fucking brilliant!!! but beady eye are far from it!! i will still follow them and buy all their stuff but compared to a lot of other bands around they are shite! when oasis were on form no one could touch them, but beady eye dont cut it- look at kasabian, they piss all over them. and its not just kasabian- they wouldnt even get a look in if they hadnt been in oasis! if they were a new unknown band and sent their cd to execs they would never get signed up! there are loads of unsigned bands that have miles better material! i was hoping liam was gonna show that he can shine without noel but i havent seen any sign of that. for everyone who said oasis was all noel was absolutely right judging by the output of beady eye we have seen so far. as for beady eyes new stuff- noels soundchecks sound miles better! You've heard a few full songs and then clips from all the others. 'Most' fans here who like the small 'preview clips' still have been saying 'it sounds better than i thought but lets wait for the full versions'. I cant see how you can slate Beady Eye after a few full songs from the album and a few b sides. Granted there have been over the top reactions. Hearing a brand new song for the first time is cool, but then many of us were brutally honest as we werent keen on Bring the Light. I cant wait for Noels solo album either. I find it strange how he apparently wanted 3 or 4 years off after DOYS and then 'suddenly' after Beady Eye appear quickly hes now got a solo album pencilled in later this year. Seems he wanted to go solo alla long. You say without Noels songs Oasis would never have made it, yeah but with Liams stage presence and persona they wouldnt have made it either. I love Noel but i get a bit bored with the constant slow ballads (apart from a few eg Idle) and i'm sure there'll be an album of them coming up this year. Noel doesnt do it for me when he does 'rockier' songs. BUT the album isnt even out yet. The preview clips of Dig out your soul were good but then when that came out a few songs i thought 'i'll like this...' i didnt, and a few i thought from the preview 30 sec clips i would hate was the opposite. I was sad Oasis split up BUT with Beady eye having an album this year (and tour) and 'suddenly' Noel with an album and no doubt tour its a good time to be a fan. But jesus dont slate the album until at least you've heard the full version, come on. The people saying 'album of the year' are just as bad as the muppets who are slating it weeks before theyve heard the full thing At the end of the day you havent heard BDI's album in full, you've heard a few bad recordings of Noels soundchecks and youre making out theyre better. Ridiculous
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Post by psj3809 on Feb 4, 2011 4:41:51 GMT -5
Liam recognized that thanls to oasis he's "adored by millions" by oasis he means the band, Noel was in it wasn't he? So in a sense Liam recognized that thanks to Noel he's where he is now. Oasis were great, Noel IS a great songwriter, but don't tell me that Bring the light, The Roller, FLW, BAS, WOMR are not better than PYMWYMI, I Can see a liar or Roll it over? That's just blindness. These song are not Live Forever but they're better than some of Noel's mediocre and repetitive stuff. Oh yes, he's not perfect. I'm outta time is by far the best song on DOYS. Top post. I'm not expecting D.Maybe or that but from the preview clips the album sounds pretty good, still have to wait to hear the full thing. I'm also excited that when i see BDI next month it'll be ALL new songs, not the usual roll with it, rock n roll star etc. The 'rumours' were Oasis werent going to tour for ages after DOYS so i'm 'glad' they split up as we seem to be getting the best from both. New album coming out, videos, interviews, even the normal Oasis-hating magazines are giving the BDI album (Which THEY'VE heard) a good review which has surprised me. Plus the tour coming up, if that goes well more dates no doubt, Liams pumped up big time, could get more songs in the near future. Then we have Noel and his album apparently late this year, so another tour. Its all good, just enjoy it as in 25 years time when Noels doing a 'Rod Stewart' and releasing cover album after cover album it'll be depressing. Enjoy the moment
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Post by gdforever on Feb 4, 2011 4:59:04 GMT -5
Granted there have been over the top reactions. Hearing a brand new song for the first time is cool, but then many of us were brutally honest as we werent keen on Bring the Light. I cant wait for Noels solo album either. I find it strange how he apparently wanted 3 or 4 years off after DOYS and then 'suddenly' after Beady Eye appear quickly hes now got a solo album pencilled in later this year. Seems he wanted to go solo alla long. Noel never said he was going to leave music for 5 years. He said that the next Oasis album wasn't going to be for another 5 years. 2 very different ideas. He was open about the fact that he wanted to do a solo album after DOYS. I think back with sadness on an interview towards the end that I think of often when this topic comes up. I think it was the Jonathan Ross one but I couldn't swear to that. Noel said something about been a bit envious of Radiohead and Thom York because Thom could go and make a solo record without anyone in Radiohead getting upset. And honestly I felt kind of bad for him. I think his ideal situation would have been to do a solo album and tour for a couple years (2010,2011) have a bit of time off (some of 2012) and then go back into the studio (mid-end of 2012) to release another Oasis album in 2013...5 years after DOYS. I don't think that was totally out of order! I honestly think that if Liam had been more understanding about Noel wanting to do something alone Oasis may not have ended that night. I have a hard time believing that Liam's attitude towards Noel having a solo album didn't have a lot to do with the tensions. It was Liam that had the all-or-nothing atttitude. Saying that Noel left Oasis because he had to to do a solo album is bollocks. Liam Gallagher has vowed to disband Oasis if brother Noel makes a solo album.
The "Live Forever" singer is furious at the guitarist’s recent comments that he wants to make an LP on his own and has vowed the band will split before that happens.
Liam fumed: "I could do that, but I don’t want to do that. I’m in Oasis, you know what I mean? If everyone starts going off doing solo records then you might as well just f***ing split the band up.
"I’m part of a band and that’s the way it is. If you go on going off doing solo records then there’s no Oasis. Someone’s got to be here keeping it together."
Taking another swipe at Noel – who also claimed it would be "five years" before Oasis release another record together because of Liam’s lazy attitude - the rocker added the worst thing about being in Oasis was "being in a band with your f**ing brother".
Noel recently said Liam would "f***ing freak out" if he and the rest of the group – Gem Archer, Andy Bell and Chris Sharrock - recorded their own material, but insisted he was going ahead with his plan.
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Post by tadas on Feb 4, 2011 5:01:37 GMT -5
I must say its Liam's voice that does it for me. He could sing the wheels on the bus and it'd sound fucking mega That's exactly how i feel it! Music is no math or physics, so don't over analyze it. You either enjoy it or you hate it. I seem to enjoy everything BDI puts out so far.
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