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Post by spaneli on Nov 12, 2010 18:41:13 GMT -5
I haven't looked at it for a very long time because its filled with such shit. Why does anyone assume that because its a single it must be one of the strongest songs on there rather than it just being the most appropriate for release? This is the main reason I dont believe it when you say that they are making music for themselves. You say that they not releasing the strongest track, but then you come back and say they releasing the one with the most pop. If you dont care what your fanbase says or you dont care about how the single does then why worry how pop it is? Listen there are many reasons as to why certain songs get released as songs. Its not always the strongest song. It can be the most radio friendly song, it can be the song that most fans/listeners identify with you your sound. The reason people say that it might be your strongest is because usally your most radio friendly track or the track that fits your sound the best usually are one of the top 3-5 tracks on a album. I think Jim posted a few tracks somewhere, he puts Roll With It. The problem with saying RWI, is that it wasnt the first single SMS was and it represented the Oasis sound best, Shakermaker was a single yes, but not the first one. (though there is no excuse for that being a single), All Around The World was single, yes but not the first one. SMC is another example, but again not a debut single. People are trying to argue over 27 random singles and say that you can release a track that's not in the Top 5 strongest tracks on a album and it not mean that your album is weak, yes that is true, but BTL is looking like the first single. And if you look at the first singles of all of Oasis' tracks they are all in the Top 5 strongest of their albums and thats it. The first single is not a random single. Its your best foot foward whether you're trying to appeal to fanbase or not. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 12, 2010 20:38:53 GMT -5
I haven't looked at it for a very long time because its filled with such shit. Why does anyone assume that because its a single it must be one of the strongest songs on there rather than it just being the most appropriate for release? This is the main reason I dont believe it when you say that they are making music for themselves. You say that they not releasing the strongest track, but then you come back and say they releasing the one with the most pop. If you dont care what your fanbase says or you dont care about how the single does then why worry how pop it is? Listen there are many reasons as to why certain songs get released as songs. Its not always the strongest song. It can be the most radio friendly song, it can be the song that most fans/listeners identify with you your sound. The reason people say that it might be your strongest is because usally your most radio friendly track or the track that fits your sound the best usually are one of the top 3-5 tracks on a album. I think Jim posted a few tracks somewhere, he puts Roll With It. The problem with saying RWI, is that it wasnt the first single SMS was and it represented the Oasis sound best, Shakermaker was a single yes, but not the first one. (though there is no excuse for that being a single), All Around The World was single, yes but not the first one. SMC is another example, but again not a debut single. People are trying to argue over 27 random singles and say that you can release a track that's not in the Top 5 strongest tracks on a album and it not mean that your album is weak, yes that is true, but BTL is looking like the first single. And if you look at the first singles of all of Oasis' tracks they are all in the Top 5 strongest of their albums and thats it. The first single is not a random single. Its your best foot foward whether you're trying to appeal to fanbase or not. They have been in a band that has released many popular songs, the fact that a pop song might come out in their writing is hardly a shock. You make it seem like they sat round a table and planned it. I don't believe its contrived like that. Maybe if they were x-factor then yeah. I think they just write songs based on there record collection. And again it would be hardly surprising if one cam out of that as single worth material. And I don't think I said they are worried about how pop it is. It just came out that way. I also didn't say that its their strongest track, but it could be who knows. They can't write music for their fanbase, its just the way it is. Liam has alluded to this many time. |
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Post by spaneli on Nov 12, 2010 20:44:38 GMT -5
^^I get you. Sorry that I mis-read your post. I never said that you said that it was their strongest track. I was saying that based on other singles or promo releases by Oasis that there was a good chance that it was one of their strongest tracks and not so much appropriate, but of their 4 or 5 strongest.
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Post by LlAM on Nov 13, 2010 1:47:07 GMT -5
Yep a 2 track promo was given to radio stations in Brazil to promote Rock In Rio, but that's hardy a single release. the video wasn't even released in relation to that promo cd, it was released to promote Familiar To Millions. with the video taken from the Wembley Gig, I also used to have to promo CD for that. Look guys you are just going in circles, promo video's are used NOT ONLY FOR SINGLE RELEASES - FACT! However, these NON-SINGLE videos aren't normally released FIRST??? They are normally used elsewhere AFTER the initial single and album release. I've never seen a promo video that wasn't for a single released BEFORE any new single was about to be released. In conclusion - this video MUST be for the single Bring The Light! Of course the new video is for BTL, you totally missed the point. Point being Oasis have released videos to songs in the past which werent released as cd singles. We have yet to conclude if BTL will be released as a "proper" single and not just as limited 7" vinyl for hardcore fans. A video doesn't conclude this. That is all. |
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Post by oneeye on Nov 13, 2010 2:59:38 GMT -5
with the video taken from the Wembley Gig, I also used to have to promo CD for that. Look guys you are just going in circles, promo video's are used NOT ONLY FOR SINGLE RELEASES - FACT! However, these NON-SINGLE videos aren't normally released FIRST??? They are normally used elsewhere AFTER the initial single and album release. I've never seen a promo video that wasn't for a single released BEFORE any new single was about to be released. In conclusion - this video MUST be for the single Bring The Light! Of course the new video is for BTL, you totally missed the point. Point being Oasis have released videos to songs in the past which werent released as cd singles. We have yet to conclude if BTL will be released as a "proper" single and not just as limited 7" vinyl for hardcore fans. A video doesn't conclude this. That is all. It is strange that they haven't announced it yet, but have given us the song and now the video teaser. Maybe they just want to promote the band first - and THEN release the first single. So having this promo video would then make sense and it'll just be for promotional reasons as you said - to attract attention before they drop the real first single? |
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Post by Jim on Nov 13, 2010 4:51:27 GMT -5
I think Jim posted a few tracks somewhere, he puts Roll With It. The problem with saying RWI, is that it wasnt the first single SMS was and it represented the Oasis sound best, Shakermaker was a single yes, but not the first one. (though there is no excuse for that being a single), All Around The World was single, yes but not the first one. SMC is another example, but again not a debut single. That's not what I was getting at mate. GDForever said that bands tend to release their strongest material as singles. I used Oasis as an example and in my opinion they did not. My point has nothing to do with what was the bands first single but the fact that the strongest or best material is not always released as a single and I gave a few examples. |
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Post by idledreamer on Nov 13, 2010 5:29:28 GMT -5
that's all fine and dandy AS LONG as it is still solid stuff that will appeal to your fanbase. NO - they release what they want or wherever their creative head is - not what the fans of their former band think or want they should be releasing. Think of the Beatles releasing Please Please Me in 1963 and Tomorrow Knows literally three years later. You take your fans on a journey, not the other way around. Britney Spears releases what she thinks the fans will like, so does Simon Cowell. yes, you're exactly right... an abrupt 'about face' when it comes to the style of music in a short amount of time --- but no matter if they were singing 'she loves you yeah yeah yeah , or '...keeps a ten bar note up his nose', the quality of the beatles work held up through their entire active run... now, are you going to tell me that a tune like 'bring the light' is of the same quality as 'tomorrow never knows' ? |
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Post by oasisfanboy on Nov 13, 2010 5:42:12 GMT -5
NO - they release what they want or wherever their creative head is - not what the fans of their former band think or want they should be releasing. Think of the Beatles releasing Please Please Me in 1963 and Tomorrow Knows literally three years later. You take your fans on a journey, not the other way around. Britney Spears releases what she thinks the fans will like, so does Simon Cowell. yes, you're exactly right... an abrupt 'about face' when it comes to the style of music in a short amount of time --- but no matter if they were singing 'she loves you yeah yeah yeah , or '...keeps a ten bar note up his nose', the quality of the beatles work held up through their entire active run... now, are you going to tell me that a tune like 'bring the light' is of the same quality as 'tomorrow never knows' ? No I'm not! Just making a point that Bring The Light, to me, is a welcome break from the typical Oasis sound that I love, but that I don't want from Beady Eye. And to my ears, there's no drop in quality since the later Oasis days, some exceptional singles aside. Just making the point that my Mum was a HUGE Beatles fan in their early days, but when their sound changed, she wasn't a fan any more. Didn't like Sgt Pepper etc, preferred their raw stuff. Dad was the total opposite - didn't like them UNTIL Sgt Pepper and the more experimental stuff. Preferred The Who and not holding hands. Tastes and things change. Yes, the Beatles' quality was largely there, but there's plenty of bizarre material. If Beady Eye released "Obla-Di, Obla-Da" last week, this forum woulda gone NUTS! ("NO GUITAR.... What's this reggae shit" etc!!) ;D ;D |
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Post by supersonic8587 on Nov 13, 2010 11:11:57 GMT -5
Yes, the Beatles' quality was largely there, but there's plenty of bizarre material. If Beady Eye released "Obla-Di, Obla-Da" last week, this forum woulda gone NUTS! ("NO GUITAR.... What's this reggae shit" etc!!) ;D ;D The forum has gotten pretty damn nuts as it is. |
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