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Post by 32shutout on Jul 23, 2008 10:24:34 GMT -5
If this were 1997, yes, Oasis would be much bigger. In many parts of the world, i would think they still are the biggest band in the world.
But again, how can you use these numbers as proof that their bigger than oasis?
Your not showing coldplays numbers live. Your just saying your opinion, that you doubt coldplay would be that big worldwide.
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Post by shoofee on Jul 23, 2008 10:28:53 GMT -5
When was the last time Oasis had a gig even 1/2 the size of Knebworth??? We're not talking about 1995. TODAY, Coldplay is a much bigger band than Oasis. Period.
1. You're bringing up things that occurred at one time, Oasis could be considered one of the biggest bands in the world. Its not that way for them right now. Coldplay sell Japanese gigs out religiously (as do Oasis) both bands have had recent #1s.
2. Yes, most definitely. Oasis used to play arenas all the time in the US for one. Through SOTSOG and HC they were playing theatres, the Murat Theatre in Indy, the Beacon in NYC for another, amongst many other instances. Yes, they sold out MSG and almost sold out the Hollywood Bowl, but for the most part the US DBTT gigs were small. I was at the Philly gig, and there were 3000 people there in a PARKING LOT for that show.
3. All you have to look at is album sales. Two of Coldplay's last records ALONE (Rush of Blood and X+Y), have sold more WORLDWIDE than Oasis' last 3 combined.
Its not a BEST BAND argument. Oasis' days as being one of the biggest are over for the time being. They could feasibly get there again, but they havent yet.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 23, 2008 10:34:40 GMT -5
If this were 1997, yes, Oasis would be much bigger. In many parts of the world, i would think they still are the biggest band in the world. But again, how can you use these numbers as proof that their bigger than oasis? Your not showing coldplays numbers live. Your just saying your opinion, that you doubt coldplay would be that big worldwide. lol yeah, but that's only cos I don't know CP's numbers and I'm not going to look it up bc the internet here in Armenia is slowww. But I can almost promise you that it's no where near the heights of Oasis. We all know Oasis is one of the most popular live acts. With that being said, how aren't they one of the biggest bands? If X+Y got the same bashing as BHN did in the media, Coldplay would be dead and buried now. That's the problem I have with Coldplay - they're a good band, but nothing special. And again, legacy is oh so important. If there's no legacy, then the band dies the moment they retire. The Beatles, Michael Jackson, etc for example are still going strong, Backstreet Boys are not (they were a pre-teen fad). The real greats remain great after they've called it a day. And while it's still too early to make any calls about Coldplay, Oasis have already cemented their place in history with their first 2 albums. As we stand now, Coldplay will be forgotten - Wonderwall alone gets more air time than any Coldplay song put together! How's this for a compromise: U2 is the biggest band (I hate them though) Oasis are the biggest rock band Coldplay are the biggest pop band (No, Supersonic, Coldplay do not constitute as rock, ffs) |
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Post by Bloomfield on Jul 23, 2008 10:35:20 GMT -5
WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO THIS THREAD!? This Coldplay Vs. Oasis stuff is horrific... I thought I might check this thread to see if there's any Oasis updates and I got pages of people arguing about Coldplay and Backstreet Boys. Start an Oasis vs. Coldplay THREAD so I can ignore it.
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Post by TheEXPERIENCE on Jul 23, 2008 10:36:31 GMT -5
Come on gimme a break. To any objective fan, Coldplay is far bigger than Oasis right now. Maybe it's marketing, maybe Chris Martin's Bono wannabe voice is more radio friendly? Who knows? Fact is they ARE more popular right now. But what the fuck does that matter? Have you looked at what's popular these days? Rihanna? Pussycat Dolls? Fall Out Boy? It's almost better to NOT be popular today...and atleast maintain some respect.
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Post by Mogly on Jul 23, 2008 10:37:14 GMT -5
stop this Coldplay vs. Oasis non-sense... open a new thread if you want, just don't mess with this one
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Post by shoofee on Jul 23, 2008 10:41:28 GMT -5
If this were 1997, yes, Oasis would be much bigger. In many parts of the world, i would think they still are the biggest band in the world. But again, how can you use these numbers as proof that their bigger than oasis? Your not showing coldplays numbers live. Your just saying your opinion, that you doubt coldplay would be that big worldwide. lol yeah, but that's only cos I don't know CP's numbers and I'm not going to look it up bc the internet here in Armenia is slowww. But I can almost promise you that it's no where near the heights of Oasis. We all know Oasis is one of the most popular live acts. With that being said, how aren't they one of the biggest bands? If X+Y got the same bashing as BHN did in the media, Coldplay would be dead and buried now. That's the problem I have with Coldplay - they're a good band, but nothing special. And again, legacy is oh so important. If there's no legacy, then the band dies the moment they retire. The Beatles, Michael Jackson, etc for example are still going strong, Backstreet Boys are not (they were a pre-teen fad). The real greats remain great after they've called it a day. And while it's still too early to make any calls about Coldplay, Oasis have already cemented their place in history with their first 2 albums. As we stand now, Coldplay will be forgotten - Wonderwall alone gets more air time than any Coldplay song put together! How's this for a compromise: U2 is the biggest band (I hate them though) Oasis are the biggest rock band Coldplay are the biggest pop band (No, Supersonic, Coldplay do not constitute as rock, ffs) Its not something you can "compromise" on when something can be measured. The majority of music industry people (if not all) judge "biggest band in the world" on COMMERCIAL success. Even if breaking it down into genres and sub-genres, Oasis wouldnt even be the biggest rock band. Foo Fighters are even bigger than them AT THIS MOMENT. Coldplay are considered rock, you can find Oasis and Coldplay in the same section at all record stores. 2+2=5, no? Well lets compromise, I'll give you 1+1 = 2, if you give me 2+2=5. You're a fucking idiot. |
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Post by supersonic1983 on Jul 23, 2008 10:42:19 GMT -5
How's this for a compromise: U2 is the biggest band (I hate them though) Oasis are the biggest rock band Coldplay are the biggest pop band  I won't even begin to tell you what's wrong with that. |
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Post by 32shutout on Jul 23, 2008 10:42:50 GMT -5
Foo Fighters? No way  |
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Post by TheEXPERIENCE on Jul 23, 2008 10:43:34 GMT -5
Foo Fighters? No way Sadly I agree the Foo Fighters are bigger. Without question they are in this country...I don't know about around the world |
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Post by supersonic1983 on Jul 23, 2008 10:43:38 GMT -5
Nah, it's Muse, definitely. ;D
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 23, 2008 10:43:56 GMT -5
Come on gimme a break. To any objective fan, Coldplay is far bigger than Oasis right now. Maybe it's marketing, maybe Chris Martin's Bono wannabe voice is more radio friendly? Who knows? Fact is they ARE more popular right now. But what the fuck does that matter? Have you looked at what's popular these days? Rihanna? Pussycat Dolls? Fall Out Boy? It's almost better to NOT be popular today...and atleast maintain some respect. That's essentially my point. By your standard of judgment Pussycat Dolls, Fall Out Boy etc are bigger than Oasis. How can you even say that? Album charts only matter when you have serious contenders for it - if RHCP, Oasis, Coldplay, U2, Muse, Interpol, Kasbian, The Verve, Arctic Monkeys, etc all occupied the charts then your argument makes sense. But to go by the charts when they're in shambles like this is just illogical And again, while Coldplay got a very mediocre album to #1, I'd rather have Oasis make an epic album but come in at #20. The problem we're having here is that while bigger doesn't mean better, they're incredibly related so it's hard to keep it separate because in an ideal world, bigger SHOULD mean better. |
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Post by supersonic1983 on Jul 23, 2008 10:46:13 GMT -5
SHOULD, but DOESN'T. ;D
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Post by TheEXPERIENCE on Jul 23, 2008 10:46:15 GMT -5
Come on gimme a break. To any objective fan, Coldplay is far bigger than Oasis right now. Maybe it's marketing, maybe Chris Martin's Bono wannabe voice is more radio friendly? Who knows? Fact is they ARE more popular right now. But what the fuck does that matter? Have you looked at what's popular these days? Rihanna? Pussycat Dolls? Fall Out Boy? It's almost better to NOT be popular today...and atleast maintain some respect. That's essentially my point. By your standard of judgment Pussycat Dolls, Fall Out Boy etc are bigger than Oasis. How can you even say that? Album charts only matter when you have serious contenders for it - if RHCP, Oasis, Coldplay, U2, Muse, Interpol, Kasbian, The Verve, Arctic Monkeys, etc all occupied the charts then your argument makes sense. But to go by the charts when they're in shambles like this is just illogical And again, while Coldplay got a very mediocre album to #1, I'd rather have Oasis make an epic album but come in at #20. The problem we're having here is that while bigger doesn't mean better, they're incredibly related so it's hard to keep it separate because in an ideal world, bigger SHOULD mean better. How can I say that? Um have you looked at the radio airplay for Oasis in America compared to those acts? They've had top 5 single after single (although I don't know why) while Oasis has had ONE song that received some airplay in the past 11 years in this country.... |
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Post by shoofee on Jul 23, 2008 10:47:11 GMT -5
"some airplay" is a stretch in and of itself lol
I didnt hear Lyla on the radio once.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 23, 2008 10:48:00 GMT -5
lol yeah, but that's only cos I don't know CP's numbers and I'm not going to look it up bc the internet here in Armenia is slowww. But I can almost promise you that it's no where near the heights of Oasis. We all know Oasis is one of the most popular live acts. With that being said, how aren't they one of the biggest bands? If X+Y got the same bashing as BHN did in the media, Coldplay would be dead and buried now. That's the problem I have with Coldplay - they're a good band, but nothing special. And again, legacy is oh so important. If there's no legacy, then the band dies the moment they retire. The Beatles, Michael Jackson, etc for example are still going strong, Backstreet Boys are not (they were a pre-teen fad). The real greats remain great after they've called it a day. And while it's still too early to make any calls about Coldplay, Oasis have already cemented their place in history with their first 2 albums. As we stand now, Coldplay will be forgotten - Wonderwall alone gets more air time than any Coldplay song put together! How's this for a compromise: U2 is the biggest band (I hate them though) Oasis are the biggest rock band Coldplay are the biggest pop band (No, Supersonic, Coldplay do not constitute as rock, ffs) Its not something you can "compromise" on when something can be measured. The majority of music industry people (if not all) judge "biggest band in the world" on COMMERCIAL success. Even if breaking it down into genres and sub-genres, Oasis wouldnt even be the biggest rock band. Foo Fighters are even bigger than them AT THIS MOMENT. Coldplay are considered rock, you can find Oasis and Coldplay in the same section at all record stores. 2+2=5, no? Well lets compromise, I'll give you 1+1 = 2, if you give me 2+2=5. You're a fucking idiot. You're the fucking idiot here - You're judging what genre a band is by what some fool places them under in a store?....Use your fucking ears! Coldplay are NOT rock. They're clearly pop.....I would consider the UK band Embrace to be pop, would you not? Embrace and Coldplay are very similar, almost identicle in sound, so Coldplay would be pop too then. Oasis on the other hand are clearly rock - the loud guitars, the sneering vocals, the attitude. And Foo Fighters? You're haing a right laugh with that! They aren't even that big in the US let alone fucking Japan or anywhere else in the world! |
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Post by supersonic1983 on Jul 23, 2008 10:50:15 GMT -5
My cat's name is Mittens. ;D
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Post by TheEXPERIENCE on Jul 23, 2008 10:50:31 GMT -5
Its not something you can "compromise" on when something can be measured. The majority of music industry people (if not all) judge "biggest band in the world" on COMMERCIAL success. Even if breaking it down into genres and sub-genres, Oasis wouldnt even be the biggest rock band. Foo Fighters are even bigger than them AT THIS MOMENT. Coldplay are considered rock, you can find Oasis and Coldplay in the same section at all record stores. 2+2=5, no? Well lets compromise, I'll give you 1+1 = 2, if you give me 2+2=5. You're a fucking idiot. You're the fucking idiot here - You're judging what genre a band is by what some fool places them under in a store?....Use your fucking ears! Coldplay are NOT rock. They're clearly pop.....I would consider the UK band Embrace to be pop, would you not? Embrace and Coldplay are very similar, almost identicle in sound, so Coldplay would be pop too then. Oasis on the other hand are clearly rock - the loud guitars, the sneering vocals, the attitude. And Foo Fighters? You're haing a right laugh with that! They aren't even that big in the US let alone fucking Japan or anywhere else in the world! Once again, Oasis are pop rock too. They have alot of pop elements in their music, especially their melodies. As far as the Foo Fighters, I can't speak for the rest of the world but you're 100% wrong to say they're not bigger than Oasis in the US because they def are |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 23, 2008 10:52:21 GMT -5
That's essentially my point. By your standard of judgment Pussycat Dolls, Fall Out Boy etc are bigger than Oasis. How can you even say that? Album charts only matter when you have serious contenders for it - if RHCP, Oasis, Coldplay, U2, Muse, Interpol, Kasbian, The Verve, Arctic Monkeys, etc all occupied the charts then your argument makes sense. But to go by the charts when they're in shambles like this is just illogical And again, while Coldplay got a very mediocre album to #1, I'd rather have Oasis make an epic album but come in at #20. The problem we're having here is that while bigger doesn't mean better, they're incredibly related so it's hard to keep it separate because in an ideal world, bigger SHOULD mean better. How can I say that? Um have you looked at the radio airplay for Oasis in America compared to those acts? They've had top 5 single after single (although I don't know why) while Oasis has had ONE song that received some airplay in the past 11 years in this country.... That little annoying teen disnney girl, Miley Cyrus, gets a lot of play time too. Guess she's bigger than Oasis too..... I really take offense to this. You believe that people like Miley can waltz in with one pop song, get a lot of radio play for that one song, and BOOM they're big, negating the fact that Oasis has worked hard at it for over a decade. I'm sorry, I'm not having it. Because you have one or two catchy tunes that get US radio airtime does not make a band big. I'm sorry, but that's just wrong. |
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Post by supersonic1983 on Jul 23, 2008 10:52:52 GMT -5
As far as the Foo Fighters, I can't speak for the rest of the world but you're 100% wrong to say they're not bigger than Oasis in the US because they def are They're pretty massive in the UK too. Not as massive as Muse though. They're SUPERMASSIVE. ;D |
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Post by shoofee on Jul 23, 2008 10:53:27 GMT -5
Sigh
Last 3 Foo Fighters albums hit #1 in UK, US, Japan (actually one of those hit only #2 in the UK). They sell out concerts everywhere around the world. Does it mean I like them? No.
This argument is not about personal taste you fucking moron.
Its about BIGGEST band. Biggest band is judged by commercial success.
Add in radio play. Worldwide the Foos are played everywhere, as are Coldplay. Oasis arent even played in the US very much anymore aside from Wonderwall and Champagne Supernova.
For fucks sake man. You're DIGGING to make your argument fit. Even if we broke it down like into genres, Oasis still wouldnt be the BIGGEST. Its not about BEST. The best band in the world is rarely the biggest.
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Post by shoofee on Jul 23, 2008 10:54:42 GMT -5
How can I say that? Um have you looked at the radio airplay for Oasis in America compared to those acts? They've had top 5 single after single (although I don't know why) while Oasis has had ONE song that received some airplay in the past 11 years in this country.... That little annoying teen disnney girl, Miley Cyrus, gets a lot of play time too. Guess she's bigger than Oasis too..... I really take offense to this. You believe that people like Miley can waltz in with one pop song, get a lot of radio play for that one song, and BOOM they're big, negating the fact that Oasis has worked hard at it for over a decade. I'm sorry, I'm not having it. Because you have one or two catchy tunes that get US radio airtime does not make a band big. I'm sorry, but that's just wrong. Miley Cyrus is MOST DEFINITELY bigger than Oasis lol. Shes a fucking BILLIONAIRE already. Shes bigger than Coldplay and U2. |
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Post by jimmies on Jul 23, 2008 10:55:46 GMT -5
fuck coldplay, fuck u2, fuck foo fisters and fuck the rest.
i dont care about them. its all about oasis!!
bring on some news, not this nonsense!
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Post by TheEXPERIENCE on Jul 23, 2008 10:58:05 GMT -5
How can I say that? Um have you looked at the radio airplay for Oasis in America compared to those acts? They've had top 5 single after single (although I don't know why) while Oasis has had ONE song that received some airplay in the past 11 years in this country.... That little annoying teen disnney girl, Miley Cyrus, gets a lot of play time too. Guess she's bigger than Oasis too..... I really take offense to this. You believe that people like Miley can waltz in with one pop song, get a lot of radio play for that one song, and BOOM they're big, negating the fact that Oasis has worked hard at it for over a decade. I'm sorry, I'm not having it. Because you have one or two catchy tunes that get US radio airtime does not make a band big. I'm sorry, but that's just wrong. Take off the blinders. How many Oasis songs received that kind of airtime here? 1 or 2? We're fans...of course we know how great Oasis is. But like someone else said, there's difference between BIGGER and BETTER. And yea Miley Cyrus is about 50 million times more popular than Oasis in this country right now...Sad but true. Oasis has a cult-like following here. They are not mainstream at all in this country...not anymore |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 23, 2008 10:58:12 GMT -5
You're the fucking idiot here - You're judging what genre a band is by what some fool places them under in a store?....Use your fucking ears! Coldplay are NOT rock. They're clearly pop.....I would consider the UK band Embrace to be pop, would you not? Embrace and Coldplay are very similar, almost identicle in sound, so Coldplay would be pop too then. Oasis on the other hand are clearly rock - the loud guitars, the sneering vocals, the attitude. And Foo Fighters? You're haing a right laugh with that! They aren't even that big in the US let alone fucking Japan or anywhere else in the world! Once again, Oasis are pop rock too. They have alot of pop elements in their music, especially their melodies. As far as the Foo Fighters, I can't speak for the rest of the world but you're 100% wrong to say they're not bigger than Oasis in the US because they def are Comparing these 2 albums bc both came out in 2005, so it's a fair assessment Foo Fighters' In Your Honor (2005): The band's fifth album, In Your Honor was released in 2005. "Best of You" achieved the band's highest certifications for a single, earning platinum status in the US and Canada. Skin and Bones, a live album with videos, debuted at number twenty-one in the US, selling about 49,000 copies in its first weekOasis' Don't Believe the Truth (2005): The album entered the U.S. charts at #12, with 65,000 albums sold in the first week, the highest any Oasis album has reached there since 1997's Be Here Now. 65,000 > 49,000. Eat shit. |
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