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Post by General Dread on Jul 22, 2008 14:44:37 GMT -5
are those the lyrics from a new song?  I'd say it's one of Liam's! No wait then it would be like this: |
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Post by The Boy Without the Blues on Jul 22, 2008 15:08:00 GMT -5
Seen The Dark Knight one too many times? It's a damn great movie.... |
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Post by twoface on Jul 22, 2008 21:22:14 GMT -5
The shock is coming.
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Post by bwilder on Jul 22, 2008 21:24:36 GMT -5
Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water...
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Post by nyr401994 on Jul 22, 2008 22:52:04 GMT -5
i hope it doesn't leak. you guys will play the songs over and over and over again and all be sick of the songs by the time it's officially released. i guarantee it. oh, and the sales thing too. if you guys want oasis back on the charts, pray that it doesn't leak. Enough of the chicken little bullshit. Did a leak of HC and DBTT stop it from charting? DBTT was a top fifteen (12) album in the states the week it was released, almost a full month after the leak which was their best position since BHN hit #2. It still hit #1 in the UK both times. The band were dead in the water in terms of the US market with HC and had virtually no promotion, not to mention it was poorly received critically for the most part. Leaks do not have a massive impact on sales to the effect that some people claim. Did it affect Coldplay's chart status? What if the release date was tomorrow, would we (seeing as you seem to be able to know how everyones listening habits will pan out) be sick of it by October 6th? If its a great album, I can tell you I'll still be listening to it, just as I still listen to DM weekly and have for over 10 years. Face it. It's going to leak. Period. The only question is when. Deluding yourself that its not only brings about disappointment to those thinking that way when it finally does. you're comparing coldplay, one of the biggest bands in the world, to oasis, one of the biggest bands in europe. big difference. of course it's going to leak. i never said that it wouldn't, but i think it's bad for the band that it will. if anything leaks, i hope that it's only the upcoming single and/or maybe some scrapped songs from the new sessions. |
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Post by nyr401994 on Jul 22, 2008 22:54:02 GMT -5
The album leaks and everyone raves about it, they give it a shot on a leak and love it and go out and buy it. if they love it, they certainly won't delete their free copy and replace it with the album they bought in the shops. let's get real here. |
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Post by King Blougaredoc on Jul 23, 2008 2:34:18 GMT -5
Oasis are the biggest band in Japan since The Beatles and they fill stadiums all over South America: Coldplay are big in US and UK, Oasis are big worldwide
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 23, 2008 2:40:25 GMT -5
Oasis are the biggest band in Japan since The Beatles and they fill stadiums all over South America: Coldplay are big in US and UK, Oasis are big worldwide Spot on mate. Spot on. Oasis were, and still are, a bigger band than Coldplay will ever be. |
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Post by shoofee on Jul 23, 2008 3:12:15 GMT -5
The album leaks and everyone raves about it, they give it a shot on a leak and love it and go out and buy it. if they love it, they certainly won't delete their free copy and replace it with the album they bought in the shops. let's get real here. You cannot say that with 100% certainty. I know of plenty of people that use downloading only to gauge an idea of WHAT to purchase. including myself. I don't disregard that there will always be a segment of the downloading public who dont buy shit, but theres plenty that do buy. |
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Post by shoofee on Jul 23, 2008 3:28:53 GMT -5
Oasis are the biggest band in Japan since The Beatles and they fill stadiums all over South America: Coldplay are big in US and UK, Oasis are big worldwide Spot on mate. Spot on. Oasis were, and still are, a bigger band than Coldplay will ever be. I am no Coldplay apologist but this type of fanboy posturing is just straight up delusional. At this moment in time, and over the last 5-6 years, Coldplay is FAR bigger than Oasis. Now if we were in 94-96, it'd be a much different story, but 12-14 years is a long ass time. The days of Oasis dominating all over the world are over until they have a smash hit like Wonderwall. They're by no means "little", but Coldplay is easily the biggest band in the world right now (since U2 has been on hiatus at least), and to the one you're quoting, Coldplay sells out everywhere they go and have had 3 straight huge records. Oasis gets #1 in the UK and Japan only these days, and have done quite well in other places but nothing to the extent of what Coldplay have done for 3 straight records. The fact alone that Oasis cant muster shit in the US these days and Coldplay can get a #1 is a huge difference. The US is the biggest market in the world for music. Oasis has never had a #1 in the US, and Coldplay have had 2 straight #'1s, and 3 straight top 5's. Look at the chart certifications for Coldplay yourself: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Rush_of_Blood_to_the_HeadWorldwide: 12,000,000+en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X%26Y#Certifications#1 in Australia, Canada, Finland (haha), France, Germany, Japan, Ireland, Mexico, Spain, UK, US. worldwide: 10.5 million+en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viva_la_Vida_or_Death_and_All_His_Friends#Charts#1 in Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Netherlands, New Zealand, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, UK, US. worldwide: No count as of yet. Too early. Lets look at Oasis' last 3: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oasis_(band)#Record_sales_.28as_of_June_2008.29Standing On The Shoulder Of Giants - 3 million Heathen Chemistry - 3.5 million Don't Believe The Truth - 4.5 million So, basically, over the last three records, Coldplay has had 2 albums that alone sold almost the same amount as all three of those put together. However, Coldplay has not had 1 record that has sold more than 19 million which Oasis did with MG. Its no contest at this moment whos "bigger." Better comes down to taste and Id take Oasis every day of the week and twice on holidays. |
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Post by Moorish on Jul 23, 2008 3:39:17 GMT -5
Spot on mate. Spot on. Oasis were, and still are, a bigger band than Coldplay will ever be. I am no Coldplay apologist but this type of fanboy posturing is just straight up delusional. At this moment in time, and over the last 5-6 years, Coldplay is FAR bigger than Oasis. Now if we were in 94-96, it'd be a much different story, but 12-14 years is a long ass time. The days of Oasis dominating all over the world are over until they have a smash hit like Wonderwall. They're by no means "little", but Coldplay is easily the biggest band in the world right now (since U2 has been on hiatus at least), and to the one you're quoting, Coldplay sells out everywhere they go and have had 3 straight huge records. Oasis gets #1 in the UK and Japan only these days, and have done quite well in other places but nothing to the extent of what Coldplay have done for 3 straight records. The fact alone that Oasis cant muster shit in the US these days and Coldplay can get a #1 is a huge difference. The US is the biggest market in the world for music. Oasis has never had a #1 in the US, and Coldplay have had 2 straight #'1s, and 3 straight top 5's. Look at the chart certifications for Coldplay yourself: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Rush_of_Blood_to_the_HeadWorldwide: 12,000,000+en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X%26Y#Certifications#1 in Australia, Canada, Finland (haha), France, Germany, Japan, Ireland, Mexico, Spain, UK, US. worldwide: 10.5 million+en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viva_la_Vida_or_Death_and_All_His_Friends#Charts#1 in Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Netherlands, New Zealand, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, UK, US. worldwide: No count as of yet. Too early. Lets look at Oasis' last 3: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oasis_(band)#Record_sales_.28as_of_June_2008.29Standing On The Shoulder Of Giants - 3 million Heathen Chemistry - 3.5 million Don't Believe The Truth - 4.5 million So, basically, over the last three records, Coldplay has had 2 albums that alone sold almost the same amount as all three of those put together. However, Coldplay has not had 1 record that has sold more than 19 million which Oasis did with MG. Its no contest at this moment whos "bigger." Better comes down to taste and Id take Oasis every day of the week and twice on holidays. Sadly, this is correct. Fucking Coldplay! Gash.  |
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Post by jasonbourne on Jul 23, 2008 3:42:48 GMT -5
I know. I just have to laugh when people say Oasis are bigger than Coldplay. Ten years ago maybe, when Coldplay didn't even exist.
I'm not saying they're a better band. When all is said and done, Oasis will have better songs, but to suggest they're more popular than Coldplay, quite possibly the biggest band in the world right now, is just ludicrous.
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Post by supersonic1983 on Jul 23, 2008 8:55:30 GMT -5
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Post by novascotialad on Jul 23, 2008 9:16:16 GMT -5
For the Love of God....
Can we not turn this into an Oasis Vs. Coldplay debate??? FFS. There is no debate. Let's get back on topic, whatever the fuck that was.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 23, 2008 9:31:00 GMT -5
I am no Coldplay apologist but this type of fanboy posturing is just straight up delusional. At this moment in time, and over the last 5-6 years, Coldplay is FAR bigger than Oasis. Now if we were in 94-96, it'd be a much different story, but 12-14 years is a long ass time. The days of Oasis dominating all over the world are over until they have a smash hit like Wonderwall. They're by no means "little", but Coldplay is easily the biggest band in the world right now (since U2 has been on hiatus at least), and to the one you're quoting, Coldplay sells out everywhere they go and have had 3 straight huge records. Oasis gets #1 in the UK and Japan only these days, and have done quite well in other places but nothing to the extent of what Coldplay have done for 3 straight records. The fact alone that Oasis cant muster shit in the US these days and Coldplay can get a #1 is a huge difference. The US is the biggest market in the world for music. Oasis has never had a #1 in the US, and Coldplay have had 2 straight #'1s, and 3 straight top 5's. Look at the chart certifications for Coldplay yourself: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Rush_of_Blood_to_the_HeadWorldwide: 12,000,000+en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X%26Y#Certifications#1 in Australia, Canada, Finland (haha), France, Germany, Japan, Ireland, Mexico, Spain, UK, US. worldwide: 10.5 million+en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viva_la_Vida_or_Death_and_All_His_Friends#Charts#1 in Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Netherlands, New Zealand, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, UK, US. worldwide: No count as of yet. Too early. Lets look at Oasis' last 3: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oasis_(band)#Record_sales_.28as_of_June_2008.29Standing On The Shoulder Of Giants - 3 million Heathen Chemistry - 3.5 million Don't Believe The Truth - 4.5 million So, basically, over the last three records, Coldplay has had 2 albums that alone sold almost the same amount as all three of those put together. However, Coldplay has not had 1 record that has sold more than 19 million which Oasis did with MG. Its no contest at this moment whos "bigger." Better comes down to taste and Id take Oasis every day of the week and twice on holidays. Sadly, this is correct. Fucking Coldplay! Gash. Albums sells don't mean anything And whats with all this talk of the US being the "market for music" of whatever? You're having a laugh, surely. Top 10 Albums in the US as of today (July 23): 1.) Tha Carter III - Lil Wayne 2.) Viva La Vida - Coldplay 3.) Soundtrack - Camprock 4.) Modern Guilt - Beck 5.) Rock N Roll Jesus - Kid Rock 6.) Now 28 - Various 7.) Soundtrack - Mamma Mia 8.) Good Girl Gone Bad - Rhianna 9.) TOS - G Unit 10.) Where the Light IS - John Mayer If you go by this crap US standard, it's basically an insult to be #1. Kid Rock? Really? Now 28? Really? Rhianna? Really? G Unit? Really? John Mayer? Really? Album sales and chart positions don't matter. Poll everyone who has listened to Coldplay's VLV, and I bet the average conclusion would be "dissapointing".....So Coldplay reached #1, but their album isn't too good....Y'know, I'd rather have Oasis at #20 or worse but have an album that is critically acclaimed, and loved by all of us fans. Furthermore, Coldplay have universal appeal - to the spotty pre-pubescent boys, to the screaming school girls, to their parents - While Oasis has a muchmore confined, and somewhat more musically matured audience (I doubt many Coldplay fans like or even know about The Smiths, The Stone Roses, etc for example....most Coldplay fans fall into the bracket of listening to Fall Out boy)..... U2, Rolling Stones, and Oasis are still the biggest 3 bands worldwide right now (I can't stand the first two, mind you) RHCP, Radiohead, and Coldplay are up there too - but all 3 bands are basically a US phenomenon - esp RHCP. |
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Post by Bag It Up on Jul 23, 2008 9:40:12 GMT -5
if your gunna leak something proove ya'self otherwise shut up, get a life and watch nothing happen after this more rumours will just flow are those the lyrics from a new song? OMG THESE ARE NOT LYRICS AT ALL Its just me going mental at all these people sayin shit about songs ut not having concrete evidence END OF. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 23, 2008 9:41:59 GMT -5
I want to pound this point home even further:
Backstreet Boys: They have had 13 Top 40 hits on the Billboard Hot 100 and have approximately sold 100 million records,[2][3] the best selling boy band of all time, and World's Biggest Money Makers (Concerts and Album Sales) 1997-2005: #1 ($533.1 million). Two of their albums Millennium and Backstreet Boys are listed #13 and #27 respectively,[4] in the list of 150 Best Selling Albums.
Albums Sold Worldwide:
-Oasis: 50 million
-Backstreet Boys: 100 million+
So by your assessment, the Backstreet Boys are a much bigger band....? Are you really going to try and claim that?
Check mate.
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Post by 32shutout on Jul 23, 2008 9:51:46 GMT -5
Yes, l4e, the backstreet boys are a much, much bigger band, obviously.
No one is arguing that.
Album sales is the only universal standard you can go by, and by that measure coldplay is clearly a bit bigger currently (though i would hold that they are only really bigger in America).
EDIT: I dont really consider coldplay to be a rock band, i think of them as more of a 'pop' group. So with that, I can still convice myself that oasis is the biggest rock and roll band in the world
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Post by shoofee on Jul 23, 2008 9:52:36 GMT -5
You're a lunatic dude lol. Stay in the current decade at least.
So, please, explain what makes a band big? You say:
That makes a band huge, UNIVERSAL APPEAL. You're using your own personal taste to back up an argument about the worlds biggest bands. This argument is not about the worlds best bands. BIGGEST, as in fanbase, mass appeal, etc. Oasis do not carry the mass appeal that a Coldplay does. And your questioning "Does a Coldplay fan know about this band or that?" Who the fuck knows? Do you monitor the tastes of Coldplay fans? Your personal opinion doesnt and shouldnt equate into the argument regarding BIGGEST band. Its not a BEST BAND argument.
Different genre. The "pop" genre. Stick to rock and roll/alternative and get the picture. With the argument you're trying to make we can bring Garth fucking Brooks into the equation. The Backstreet Boys and NSync also havent had hit records for more than 5 years now as well.
Regardless of the shit on the US charts, the point that I was making with that statement was the US is the LARGEST market for music. Doesn't mean the best. It means the US sells more records than any other country on the planet. Whether its Soulja Boy, Shania Twain, Coldplay, or Oasis makes no difference. Thats why its such a feat for a non-American band to make it big here.
Biggest bands = The best sellers, widest appeal, consistently selling out and playing major venues.
Oasis are at best, bits and pieces of that, but don't have the consistency commercially to be considered the biggest band or even one of the top 3 biggest bands in the world. Fucking Radiohead are bigger than them as well. The moniker "Biggest band in the world" doesnt go to the "Best" band 99% of the time. Biggest = commercial, sales play into this. "Best" band is all opinion anyway. Biggest can be measured.
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Post by Plantpot on Jul 23, 2008 9:56:18 GMT -5
I want to pound this point home even further: Backstreet Boys: They have had 13 Top 40 hits on the Billboard Hot 100 and have approximately sold 100 million records,[2][3] the best selling boy band of all time, and World's Biggest Money Makers (Concerts and Album Sales) 1997-2005: #1 ($533.1 million). Two of their albums Millennium and Backstreet Boys are listed #13 and #27 respectively,[4] in the list of 150 Best Selling Albums. Albums Sold Worldwide: -Oasis: 50 million -Backstreet Boys: 100 million+ So by your assessment, the Backstreet Boys are a much bigger band....? Are you really going to try and claim that? Check mate. I agree with you that collectively the U.S. has horrible taste in music; however, I think you may be confusing "biggest" band in the world with "best" band in the world. To be the biggest band in the world you have to sell the most albums. It is that simple. The more albums you sell the more people recognize your work and this gives you more notoriety. And yes, the Backstreet Boys were a much bigger band when they were still together. They outsold Oasis 50:1, which is remarkable, but that does not mean they were a better band. Coldplay has outsold Oasis since they put out their first album, So, yes they are a bigger band than Oasis, but again, that doesn't mean they are a better band. Even today Oasis is one of the "best" bands in the world but they are no where near the "biggest" band in the world. |
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Post by supersonic1983 on Jul 23, 2008 10:04:01 GMT -5
Don't waste your time, lads. Trust me. You'll get nowhere. Noel himself could admit that Coldplay are a bigger band and you'd still get live4evr showing us the Billboard charts and talking about the Backstreet Boys.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 23, 2008 10:06:30 GMT -5
Yes, l4e, the backstreet boys are a much, much bigger band, obviously. No one is arguing that. I think you need to take into legacy and impact about how big a band was and is too, though. Oasis' songs will be played 50 years from now still. Other than The Scientist, I don't see Coldplay being ever lasting..... And let's not forget that Coldplay are the media's darling. Even after the poor X+Y album, critics stood by them. You don't get that media loyalty with Oasis, (partly down to their bad boy image of the 90s) and that plays a huge part in it too. For analogy sake, same can be said about Obama - he's the media darling right now. A headline of an article I read on Real Clear Politics was "Is the media electing Obama" or something similar.... With that being said "Is the media making Coldplay bigger than they deserve?" We all know that a lot of Oasis' recent "failures" have a lot to do with the poor press they've received in recent years which has an effect on the average consumer. Coldplay have released 1 epic album (AROBTTH), 1 good album (Para), and 2 dissapointing albums (X+Y, VLV) Oasis have released 2 epic albums (DM, WTSMG), 2 good albums (BHN, DBTT), 2 dissapointing album (HC, SOTSOG) There's no doubting that Oasis are the BETTER band. Now, I'm biased of course, but I'm not speaking just for me here - I think most music fans would agree that Oasis are a far superior band than Coldplay. Now, BETTER doesn't mean BIGGER, obviously. But it should. If a band is better, they should be selling the most albums. But one has got to wonder why people still love Coldplay even after 2 poor albums.... I have no idea where I'm going with this now lol......Too jumbled to carry on. |
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Post by 32shutout on Jul 23, 2008 10:10:25 GMT -5
Album sales are the only universal standard by which a band can be measured. The only other one is of course number 1 album/singles, which oasis is actually bigger than coldplay i believe, at least in the uk.
A songs legacy, or a bands 'importance' simply can't be measured in the same way.
How would you determine what makes a band 'big'?
What other means can you use to measure it besides album sales?
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 23, 2008 10:19:53 GMT -5
Album sales are the only universal standard by which a band can be measured. The only other one is of course number 1 album/singles, which oasis is actually bigger than coldplay i believe, at least in the uk. A songs legacy, or a bands 'importance' simply can't be measured in the same way. How would you determine what makes a band 'big'? What other means can you use to measure it besides album sales? You can measure it by live gig turn outs.... 1.) Record Attendances/Big Crowds When Coldplay ever get close to doing a gig like Knebworth, I'll shut up 2.) Relevance - Have the attendances fallen or increased during the years? Oasis sell out every single gig, and have done for the past 14 years, while still playing to 80,000 strong 3.) Popularity - World Wide Appeal How do the attendances of gigs appeal all around the world - Oasis sell out every where, I very much doubt Coldplay would get 50,000+ turn out in Japan. --- Quote: "Any one can buy a CD, the real fans are the ones who took their time to come and see you play at a gig" - Noel Gallagher (Not verbaitm, but words to that effect). On that basis, Oasis are def a much bigger band than Coldplay -- I've bought a few albums from bands i'm not crazy about but enjoy enough - Modest Mouse, The Killers, etc....So if you have millions of people who buy albums like that - on a casual basis - but one in which that helps to propel the band into greatness then it's a bit false to say they're the biggest band or whatever.... |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 23, 2008 10:24:13 GMT -5
This is from a DBTT review in 2005 that I saved, but it provides a nice dig at Coldplay in it, so I thought I'd share. Pretty accurate too:
Man, Coldplay is a bunch of pansies.
With the rest of the rock world still preoccupied with 1985 (we get it, The Smiths were good), Coldplay's somehow managed to sweep in like a storm of wieners to revive the once-dormant corpse of Bread-style soft rock.
Chris Martin pounds the piano and yelps like a seal in heat, and voila, both you and your mom have something to listen to on the way to The Olive Garden. The stars were all yellow? Good observation, Galileo.
Bless us, oh Lord, for the concurrent resurrection of Oasis. The sneering, snorting kings of mid-'90s guitar rock have returned at the perfect time to jerk the Zoloft generation out of its heavy-lidded Cure-quoting stupor.
The band's sixth album, Don't Believe the Truth, is a sunburnt rock'n'roll reveille, pouring over with the kind of huge hooks and six-string blasts that haven't been around since, uh, back when Oasis used to call themselves the greatest band in the world. Close your eyes in the swell of Don't Believe the Truth and you might find yourself taking their word for it.
The soaring and inhumanly tuneful songs of Don't Believe the Truth are the kind only a band as arrogant and bombastic as Oasis could pull off. "Mucky Fingers," the set's highlight, pits a chug-a-lug riff against Noel's rollicking Blonde on Blonde vocal, and in a different decade, Liam's shimmering "Love Like a Bomb" could've been a gigantic hit. The lyrics aren't all superb (and some are downright Up With People-ish) but Liam's such a cracking singer and the band's playing is so refreshingly lively you'll barely notice. And yeah, they still sound like The Stone Roses and Rubber Soul.
Don't tell me you have a problem with that.
Coldplay is well and good for high tea. But with Don't Believe the Truth, Oasis has made a record as perfectly suited for Saturday night as it is for Sunday morning. That's really something.
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