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Post by Robohump on Jul 16, 2008 0:19:31 GMT -5
I have not quoted just 2 websites. Metacritic is 28 separate reviews from The Guardian to NME to Rolling Stone to Pitchfork to Billboard, etc. 64 is not a good rating at all. If you're going by Metacritic's definition it's "Generally favorable" and, considering a 60% itself is a 3/5 which is considered good by nearly any site or website that uses such ratings, then yes it is good. But I see you're going by your own made up definition, which I suppose if fine if you want to convince yourself something about DBTT's quality or try to justify your opinion in your own world. Get real, man. If you score a 64% on an essay or exam, you're happy with that? Hardly anybody gives any album, no matter how terrible, anything less than 2 stars. So 3 stars is a mediocre review, not a good review. 'In Rainbows' got an 88 average on metacritic! Now *those* are good reviews. |
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Post by castnoshadow123 on Jul 16, 2008 2:09:15 GMT -5
I love Oasis as much as the next person, but i can see when they release shit....
There seems to be alot of people on these boards that would say "greatest song ever" even if it was just Liam pissing into a mic. A great album is when you attract people that know very little to nothing about the band and are blown away by it.. I can't see someone who doesn't like Oasis making it through half of DBTT.
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Post by adamhannah on Jul 16, 2008 3:53:55 GMT -5
If you're going by Metacritic's definition it's "Generally favorable" and, considering a 60% itself is a 3/5 which is considered good by nearly any site or website that uses such ratings, then yes it is good. But I see you're going by your own made up definition, which I suppose if fine if you want to convince yourself something about DBTT's quality or try to justify your opinion in your own world. Get real, man. If you score a 64% on an essay or exam, you're happy with that? Hardly anybody gives any album, no matter how terrible, anything less than 2 stars. So 3 stars is a mediocre review, not a good review. 'In Rainbows' got an 88 average on metacritic! Now *those* are good reviews. Yeah I agree, 64 on metacritic is pretty poorly reviewed. That doesn't necessarily mean its a bad album. If it was a Coldplay album getting those sort of reviews i'd be saying 'hey look how shit coldplay are!' |
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Post by thedon on Jul 16, 2008 11:31:02 GMT -5
I love Oasis as much as the next person, but i can see when they release shit.... There seems to be alot of people on these boards that would say "greatest song ever" even if it was just Liam pissing into a mic. A great album is when you attract people that know very little to nothing about the band and are blown away by it.. I can't see someone who doesn't like Oasis making it through half of DBTT. Even I can't make it through half DBTT... |
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Post by ugottahavefun on Jul 16, 2008 11:36:27 GMT -5
Can you explain why you like that line so much. ;D I've been wondering that too. It's not exactly outstanding. It's a good dreary lyric as I think Noel is trying to convey that every new beginning (I'm looking at beginning as a positive word here) like a policy or an ideology in society is never fulfilled to what it proclaims due to human corruption or human faults(it's like also the white light being broken, straying from the path of wisdom)...it's ungodly and hence 'I'm having trouble finding my soul in this town.' |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 16, 2008 11:48:07 GMT -5
TIOBI and POTQ are one of Noel's finest efforts. "Every beginning has broken its promise" is one of Noels best ever written lines, ever. Can you explain why you like that line so much. I'm curious to see what you think it means. I think the line "I fall down, Heaven won't help me" is great, but maybe that's just cause I believe it. "Every beginning has broken its promise" Beginnings have a connotation of being fresh, exciting, promising.....for a "beginning to have broken its promise" means that none of these great things occurred, rather it wasn't really a beginning after all.... And this fits well with the song, where in which POTQ is detailing a boring, humdrum lifestyle where the person involved can't find "any soul" It really is a genius line. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 16, 2008 12:02:31 GMT -5
You can't really go by what critics say because they do bash Oasis because alot of them think they are assholes. The Killers are actually starting to get a similar reputation but since they are american, the America media will take it much easier on them. But I would never back up my opinions due to other people's reviews. Even if both the reviews and myself liked the album, it doesn't matter. They all have different agendas. Personally, I do think DBTT was a good step in the right direction. But DOYS seems like it's going to be really good and as long as it's better than DBTT than I'll be happy . . . It bothers me how the expectations and standards have been lowered so dramatically. The band have become a parody of themselves. From Liam's goofy voice to Noel's proclamations that every album since 'Be Here Now' is "the best since Definitely Maybe". It's become a worse joke than Chinese Democracy. Always building up high expectations, only to see them crumble when the actual product hits the shops (or interwebs as it were). The irony. You picked the wrong time to say that - the one year and the one album where the boys have remained completely silent about this album. Also, DBTT did indeed mark a turning point for the band. Noel said that in 2000 he was very uninspired, and that's why SOTSOG and HC turned out poor (for Oasis standards). During that time, the band were at it's most vulnerable: lost 2 band members, trying to get off the drugs, etc etc 2005 proved to be a turning point. DBTT was indeed hailed as a "return to form" by the critics. DBTT did something the last 3 albums failed to do: it was focused, it flowed, it had good lyrics, it was well produced, and didn't have really any shit tracks on it. Compare LTBL, MF, and ABWR to the misses of the previous 2: HIABP, BM, FON....PYMWYMI, ICIAL, LJ....not too bad, eh? Furthermore, DBTT was scrapped and recorded several times. This signifies that Noel and the band care again, the passion is back. And that's been carried through to DOYS. This new album will be massive. I promise you that. DM, WTSMG, BHN: Oasis at their peak and best. SOTSOG, HC: Oasis uninspired, at their lowest DBTT: Turning point, return to form, refreshed DOYS: Should carry on where DBTT left over, potentially returning the boys back to WTSMG (as far as the quality of the album goes) DOYS won't propel Oasis back into their peak of the mid 1990s, only because the music critics won't allow that to happen and also because the music industry is too different now. BUT it will deserve them to be that big again, and the album will be critically accalimed. Instead of all the reviews saying "return to form" as they did about DBTT, they will instead be saying "Oasis are well and truly back" and "DBTT wasn't a fluke, Oasis are here to stay." |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 16, 2008 12:13:23 GMT -5
If you're going by Metacritic's definition it's "Generally favorable" and, considering a 60% itself is a 3/5 which is considered good by nearly any site or website that uses such ratings, then yes it is good. But I see you're going by your own made up definition, which I suppose if fine if you want to convince yourself something about DBTT's quality or try to justify your opinion in your own world. Get real, man. If you score a 64% on an essay or exam, you're happy with that? Hardly anybody gives any album, no matter how terrible, anything less than 2 stars. So 3 stars is a mediocre review, not a good review. 'In Rainbows' got an 88 average on metacritic! Now *those* are good reviews. You're looking more and more stupid with every comment. 1.) For exams, most people don't score below a 55%. While with the DBTT reviews, some reviewers gave it a 10%, 20%, 30% etc. That's not harsh, bur rather just flat out wrong and an exaggeration. 10% for DBTT? Yeah, ok. What you need to do when looking at Metacritic is take off the stellar reviews, take off the horrid reviews, and average the ones in the middle....someone is always going to love it no matter what, and someone is always going to bash it no matter what. Use your common sense. I see that you haven't taken stat, and if you have done, you probably got less than a 64%.....Those last 5+ reviews (10%, 20%, 30%, 30%, 35%) are outliers and drag down the average. 2.) Metacritic Average gave Fall Out Boy's Infinity on High a 75%, a whole entire 11% higher than DBTT Does that make Infinity on High better than DBTT? Of course it doesnt. So why don't you go listen to Fall Out Boy then and shut the fuck up about DBTT? Oasis are our team, and if you're not going to root for the team, then get the fuck out of the stadium |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 16, 2008 12:19:04 GMT -5
I love Oasis as much as the next person, but i can see when they release shit.... There seems to be alot of people on these boards that would say "greatest song ever" even if it was just Liam pissing into a mic. A great album is when you attract people that know very little to nothing about the band and are blown away by it.. I can't see someone who doesn't like Oasis making it through half of DBTT. 1.) My 62 year old Dad heard my DBTT album in the car one day. He comes to me later and says "Who's that band you have in the car? They're pretty good" He was surprised when I told him they were Oasis cos he doesn't like them overall! 2.) No, almost everyone on here tells it like they see it. MAJORITY of hardcore Oasis fans think LJ, PYMWYMI and ICSAL are so bad and the worst tunes ever by Oasis. Most think that Probably All in the Mind is boring (although I like it). Most think that FON, HIABP, AQP, and BM are filler. Most think the HC and SOTSOG, despite some great tunes, were still disappointing. Why don't you read our actual opinions and realize that we're not shortsighted and we know when Oasis release shit. |
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Post by ugottahavefun on Jul 16, 2008 12:27:44 GMT -5
Get real, man. If you score a 64% on an essay or exam, you're happy with that? Hardly anybody gives any album, no matter how terrible, anything less than 2 stars. So 3 stars is a mediocre review, not a good review. 'In Rainbows' got an 88 average on metacritic! Now *those* are good reviews. You're looking more and more stupid with every comment. 1.) For exams, most people don't score below a 55%. While with the DBTT reviews, some reviewers gave it a 10%, 20%, 30% etc. That's not harsh, bur rather just flat out wrong and an exaggeration. 10% for DBTT? Yeah, ok. What you need to do when looking at Metacritic is take off the stellar reviews, take off the horrid reviews, and average the ones in the middle....someone is always going to love it no matter what, and someone is always going to bash it no matter what. Use your common sense. I see that you haven't taken stat, and if you have done, you probably got less than a 64%.....Those last 5+ reviews (10%, 20%, 30%, 30%, 35%) are outliers and drag down the average. 2.) Metacritic Average gave Fall Out Boy's Infinity on High a 75%, a whole entire 11% higher than DBTT Does that make Infinity on High better than DBTT? Of course it doesnt. So why don't you go listen to Fall Out Boy then and shut the fuck up about DBTT? Oasis are our team, and if you're not going to root for the team, then get the fuck out of the stadiumHere Here! |
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Post by Plantpot on Jul 16, 2008 13:14:16 GMT -5
My thinking on this particular lyric is that it is based on logic: In the simplest of terms: if there is a beginning then there is an end. The "promise" that Noel speaks of is the inherent connection between the two. What I think Noel is saying is that nothing is ending. Moreover, in Noel's case, there is a disconnect with this logic. In the simplest of terms my thinking is that Noel believes that there's no closure in any situation. Much like how the Rolling Stones, "can't get no satisfaction," Noel can't get no closure. |
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Post by MEANSTREAK on Jul 16, 2008 13:29:13 GMT -5
Get real, man. If you score a 64% on an essay or exam, you're happy with that? yes. in England 50% is passing and a 64 is damn near a merit. |
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Post by MEANSTREAK on Jul 16, 2008 13:30:50 GMT -5
i'm not listening to it haha. Waiting for the release date. it sounds promising though the little clip doesn't really give anythign away, it's just a bit of drumming you aren't missing much. |
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Post by Bloomfield on Jul 25, 2008 23:40:17 GMT -5
What happened to this? The link is dead. Record company must have found out?
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Post by caats19 on Jul 25, 2008 23:47:06 GMT -5
i like to go by allmusic.com for my oasis album reviews. they score em all pretty correctly. def maybe/morning glory are 5's. be here now is a 3.5 or 4(i forget). sotsg and hc are 3's. and dbtt and the masterplan are 4.5's
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Post by twoface on Jul 26, 2008 9:09:14 GMT -5
Its all a dream.
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Post by ShakeAlongWithMe on Jul 26, 2008 9:48:30 GMT -5
I love Oasis as much as the next person, but i can see when they release shit.... There seems to be alot of people on these boards that would say "greatest song ever" even if it was just Liam pissing into a mic. A great album is when you attract people that know very little to nothing about the band and are blown away by it.. I can't see someone who doesn't like Oasis making it through half of DBTT. is what is it all about man. Well said. |
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Post by anthmcc on Jul 26, 2008 10:35:09 GMT -5
What happened to this? The link is dead. Record company must have found out? If you're curious to hear the short clip (it's just alot of drums)....... www.savefile.com/files/1690580 |
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Post by dearprudence on Jul 26, 2008 11:30:21 GMT -5
I think SOTSOG and HC are weak for Oasis standards, but DBTT is a much better album. Im not hoping the new record will be critically acclaimed cause probably wont, ive given up that... i just hopes it blows me ass off!! Give a shit bout a journalist who reviews oasis and then has to review new fucking britney spears record,,, most of them dont know shit, if they knew their will be making music themselfs not being journalists. Rolling Stone Magazine crucified every Led Zeppelin album when it came out and then 30 years later has like fucking 5 Zeppelin albums in their list of 500 st of all time..  2 in the best hundred... Zeppelin was a band of the people,, of the fans I dont know where im trying to get,,, if radiohead makes a record based on thome yorke killing chickens with a hammer it will be 10 outta 10. They have their views already... and dont get me wrong i like radiohead just think their band hasnt done anything close to OK Computer quality wise since they did it,, the thing they have made is they have change their sound in every record and that is what the press seems to love.  |
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Post by start at the end on Jul 26, 2008 14:46:37 GMT -5
1/3 of a minute or not...I'll take every fucking second of that racket.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2008 16:03:24 GMT -5
If you're going by Metacritic's definition it's "Generally favorable" and, considering a 60% itself is a 3/5 which is considered good by nearly any site or website that uses such ratings, then yes it is good. But I see you're going by your own made up definition, which I suppose if fine if you want to convince yourself something about DBTT's quality or try to justify your opinion in your own world. Get real, man. If you score a 64% on an essay or exam, you're happy with that? Hardly anybody gives any album, no matter how terrible, anything less than 2 stars. So 3 stars is a mediocre review, not a good review. 'In Rainbows' got an 88 average on metacritic! Now *those* are good reviews. Well, my essays aren't graded out of 5 stars and then transposed to a percentage. Quit making up your own damn definitions. Nearly everywhere, from Amazon.com to Q Magazine, lists 3/5 as good or at the very, very least average. |
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Post by Smige on Jul 27, 2008 11:20:18 GMT -5
If you're going by Metacritic's definition it's "Generally favorable" and, considering a 60% itself is a 3/5 which is considered good by nearly any site or website that uses such ratings, then yes it is good. But I see you're going by your own made up definition, which I suppose if fine if you want to convince yourself something about DBTT's quality or try to justify your opinion in your own world. Get real, man. If you score a 64% on an essay or exam, you're happy with that? Exam scoring doesn't work in the same way as music scoring, they're two completely different and unrelated areas. "This was a good essay, I enjoyed reading it more than I did listening to Coldplay's album but less than I did listening to Sgt. Pepper. 85%." |
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