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Post by seanppp on May 6, 2008 22:10:51 GMT -5
1. "Nothin' On Me": Jury's out. Sounds like they're going to go into "Force of Nature" at any second though, dunnit? No doubt who wrote this one, eh?
2. "Record Machine": Sweet. I really like it. The line "put a little fire where it's cold" sound like something out of an Alanis Morrisette song to me, does anyone agree?
3. "Stop The Clocks": The infamous... It's not the best song Noel ever wrote. But that aside. It's pretty sweet. Parts of it actually sound a bit like that song "Supercollider" that someone tried to pass of as Oasis. Anyway, it's a nice song still.
By the way, so much for a "no acoustic." 2/3 of the leaked songs are heavily acoustic.
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Post by headcase on May 6, 2008 23:10:29 GMT -5
By the way, so much for a "no acoustic." 2/3 of the leaked songs are heavily acoustic. 2/3 of the leaked? you mean there are other leaks other than these three songs off the new album? |
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Post by thepicturesgeneration on May 6, 2008 23:33:03 GMT -5
two out of the three leaked.
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Post by seanppp on May 7, 2008 0:01:57 GMT -5
Yeah, two of the three. 2/3.
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Post by seanppp on May 7, 2008 0:02:26 GMT -5
But! If these are only demos, as is being suggested, then the acoustic point is moot.
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Post by Capering Klown on May 7, 2008 0:06:37 GMT -5
Cmon, how are you guys so naive. The reason Noel/Liam or whomever have said there's no acoustic on the record is because THESE SONGS WON'T BE ON IT. Unless there are radical changes from these demo takes. And we've heard from a pretty decent source that STC is not on the new album.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 7, 2008 0:24:04 GMT -5
We don't know if these are going to be on the album. But logic suggest that both STC and RM WILL be on it in some form, NOM is still up in there air. I have great reasoning for this belief, don't believe the fools that say "Kasabian singer says ____" or "My close source says ____" that's rubbish. Believe me, STC and RM have a great chance of making it, and if they dont, it's a great shame and Noel fucked up again as he did with the likes of Acquiesce and LAMB, etc
1.) Nothing on Me: 7/10
Sounds like the most demo-ish of the 3, if you will. I'm sure if they cleaned it up, it would be an 8/10 song. I instantly thought of Meaning of Soul when I heard it. And I do rate MOS as 7/10, but I like NOM better. Not sure if it will be on the album, only because it does sound very DBTT-ish, while the other 2 leaked don't.
2.) Stop the Clocks: 10/10
It's a great song. When I first read the lyrics, I did like them, but thought they were too repetitive, and that the song would suffer because of it. However, it works. As most have said, it has potential to be even better, but in no way would i be dissapointed if this was the final album version. Remember, Noel said he had several (7-ish) versions of this song, so we don't know which one he has, or how he's tweaked it since 2005. I do see and understand why most people say "it doesn't go anywhere" -- ie, its too repetitive, as i first anticipated when first i read the lyrics in 2006. But it still somehow works, imo. If you don't pay attention to the time, it's not too long at all. Yeah, 10/10 suggest perfection, but it's not perfect, it's close to it though. A few tweaks, and we're in business. Outro is mega. This is up there with Wonderwall, but Wonderwall gets the SLIGHT edge because its more commercial/sing-songy....STC is still the biggest mystery because we don't know how different the final version is to this one we have lol
BTW, this song pisses all over the final, released version of LTBL on DBTT (6.5/10 or 7/10 song). STC could have easily been the closer instead, it would have worked. Noel fucked up LTBL -- Liam said he wanted it to be bigger, Noel disagreed. LTBL need another verse with Noel vocals like "come on baby blue", and since it doesnt have that PLUS that out of place, unnecessariy outro, makes it suffer. STC is a million times better, even as a demo.
3.) Record Machine: 10/10
For comparison sake: 11/10 --> It's better than STC. If the rumor is true that this song is 4mins longer, with 1-2 more guitar solos, then fuck me!! The demo is already epic. I'm going to cry if this doesn't make it on the album, irrespective of how good the other tunes are. It's tied with Champagne Supernova for me already, and has the potential to be bigger and better if they tweak the final version correctly. It's better than AATW because that song is TOO long and drags on (it's good, but too long and unneccessariy as it continues),
On the contrary, RM is SO good, it builds up, and the guitar solo and the last verse is fucking amazing. You just want to put your fist in the air at that point and sing along with so much pride and passion -- this will be MONUMENTAL live.
Record Machine reminds me so much of Flashbax, which is a great thing -- both have the same sound, the same lyrical content/structure, simply amazing.
Overall Verdict:
The safe bet would assume STC and/or RM makes the album, especially the latter (RM). And thus shows us the direction the band are going for the 2008 release. STC and RM are very WTS/BHN-esqe, and that's fantastic. DBTT was a great album imo (POTQ, TIOBI, Lyla, and LLAB) but most of us, including myself, want the big, bravado Oasis sound again. Noel has learned and matured since 1997, so even though there's similarities with BHN, it wont be percieved as a disaster.
Going by what we have and the assumption that the album will contain STC and RM - or songs very similar in style - it's safe to assume this album will be MONUMENTAL and will indeed rival WTSMG and Oasis' 2nd best album (General consensus).
I can't fucking wait. I've been spamming my friends, almost all non-oasis fans/friends that only like the hits, all day. That's how proud I am of this leak.
When I heard RM I wanted to cry. And it's still amazes me right now after the 30th listen, and it's only a fucking demo - that's such a positive sign.
SOTSOG/HC years are far gone now. No longer are we gonna get filler, and no longer should we expect it. DBTT showed us Oasis are serious again, and this 2008 release will be no different - as serious as DBTT but with the big sound and guitar solos of WTS/BHN, i'm SO excited.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 7, 2008 0:24:39 GMT -5
Cmon, how are you guys so naive. The reason Noel/Liam or whomever have said there's no acoustic on the record is because THESE SONGS WON'T BE ON IT. Unless there are radical changes from these demo takes. And we've heard from a pretty decent source that STC is not on the new album. Use your brain instead of playing the "he said/she said game" |
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Post by webm@ster on May 7, 2008 0:29:59 GMT -5
[quote author=live4evr board=news thread=46238 post=549811 time=1210137879
Use your brain instead of playing the "he said/she said game"[/quote]
chill a bit.... there are some pretty heavy hitters on the forum at the moment , I'd take a back seat and learn something if I were you. It's meant as friendly help.
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Post by mercury3164 on May 7, 2008 0:30:57 GMT -5
I think they could both be on the new record, in new and incredible beefed up versions, possibly with liam singing one or both
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2008 0:31:59 GMT -5
I think they could both be on the new record, in new and incredible beefed up versions, possibly with liam singing one or both This. Both are extremely bare bone demos. Nothing on Me is just boring. |
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Post by shoofee on May 7, 2008 0:35:18 GMT -5
Stop the Clocks and Record Machine are NOT demos.
They're outtakes.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 7, 2008 0:36:51 GMT -5
[quote author=live4evr board=news thread=46238 post=549811 time=1210137879 Use your brain instead of playing the "he said/she said game" chill a bit.... there are some pretty heavy hitters on the forum at the moment , I'd take a back seat and learn something if I were you. It's meant as friendly help.[/quote] Webby, I'm not attacking anyone. It's just dangerous believing people who say "a credible source told me....." for one of two reasons: a.) Could be lying, for whatever reason b.) Source could be wrong - whether if it's the Kasabian singer or someone of lower profile hardly matters Look, yeah, i might be wrong. But SO MANY signs point to STC and/or RM being on the album. If I'm wrong, sobeit. But at least I had the courage to think things through than believe everything i hear..... Seriously, think for yourselves. Where would we be as a civilization if we just listened to other people, and never used our brains? |
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Post by webm@ster on May 7, 2008 0:41:02 GMT -5
[quote author=live4evr board=news thread=46238 post=549811 time=1210137879 Use your brain instead of playing the "he said/she said game" Webby, I'm not attacking anyone. It's just dangerous believing people who say "a credible source told me have a little trust in your webby |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 7, 2008 0:43:45 GMT -5
I'll put it this way: If STC/RM arent on the album, but are the type of songs the album will have, we're in for a real monumental album that will rival WTSMG
Why wont anyone support me in this claim? It's not impossible to better DM/WTSMG. This wont be better than DM because the styles are different. The style is more similar to WTS/BHN - going by the leaks - and its quite easy to better WTSMG, really.
Think about it, WTSMG is a fantastic album, but not great lyrically - barring the odd one liner. So all that has to be done is create the same sound but with better lyrics. Yeah, it's a hard thing to do, dont get me wrong. But Record Machine, as it stands in Demo form, is lyrically superior than CS, but has the same monumental sound - if RM is made 4mins longer, then it eclipeses CS easily, in my book. And as i said above, STC and Wonderwall are in the same league too.....
I've been saying it for months now, and i'm even more confident now after hearing these leaks, that this album is gonna be massive. I just wish people would listen to me more.
I hate how a lot of people have said these leaks "arent good" or dont "meet their expectations" or whatever, without backing anything up.
At least I backed up my opinions.
I backed up why i think this album will be huge, i backed up why i think STC will be on the album.....all that holds more credence than "Kasabian singer said"/"My close source said"....agian this doesnt make me right, but it does give me more credibility. Use your brains. Please. Think things through.
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Post by shoofee on May 7, 2008 0:45:50 GMT -5
This is part of your problem. You're too overzealous,. Please explain how SO MANY signs from songs recorded in 2004, point to being on an album being released in 2008? Especially when within that time we've had a compilation released by the same name as one of these tracks and theres not even a rumor about STC being on it. I give you Record Machine, that has a good chance. There's also been people who ARE IN THE KNOW, that state STC is without question not on the album.
Some of us are tied into this just a little bit more than you are.
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Post by shoofee on May 7, 2008 0:48:46 GMT -5
NOTHING you've said adds anything to them being on the album. You're playing a guessing game. Those of us who are stating that its not going to be on there, are dealing with facts.
Tom Meighan has heard the album. He's also said to people STC is not on there, people that are far more inside than you in terms of their sources. Yet some dude in DC thinks it will be because he likes a demo from 2004.
Thats what you're boiling it down to.
All your "proof" is your opinion.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 7, 2008 1:16:57 GMT -5
This is part of your problem. You're too overzealous,. Please explain how SO MANY signs from songs recorded in 2004, point to being on an album being released in 2008? Especially when within that time we've had a compilation released by the same name as one of these tracks and theres not even a rumor about STC being on it. I give you Record Machine, that has a good chance. There's also been people who ARE IN THE KNOW, that state STC is without question not on the album. Some of us are tied into this just a little bit more than you are. I'm getting very sick of repeating myself. I've said this (what i'm about to say) for months now, and several times within the past 24 hours in different threads. It's getting very irritating. Here are the signs pointing to STC being on the album: 1.) STC Almost made DBTT This is very significant. It was pulled at the last minute, mainly because it didn't "fit the style" of the other DBTT. So that signifies that in 2005, STC was *almost* ready to be officially released. So surely Noel has been able to tweak it to his liking in the past 3 years 2.) The Greatest Hits Title As we all know, the greatest hits album was called "Stop the Clocks", which is a HUGE tease. Again, it only signifies that Noel is preparing us for the official release. Why tease us in 2006 like this if he's not going to release it in 2008, but rather in 2011 (the NEXT album after the 2008 album) or never? Doesn't make sense. 3.) The lyrics printed in the Greatest Hits Again, why tease us if he's not going to release it soon? --- Out of the 3 points above, the most significant is #1 -- by pulling it at the last second shows he has it almost to where he wants it..... 4.) This Demo Yeah, there are many versions of this song, and we have no idea which one we have, but it sounds very well produced and clear quality. -- Can't say that about Nothing on Me, or Eyeball Tickler, or the DBTT Demos, as they all sound very rough and dodgy, if you will. -------- Again, this may be all wrong, and may mean nothing, but i'm sorry, it's more credible than believe someone who says "my source says ___"/"Kasabian singer says____" I don't care if you believe STC and/or RM are on the new album or not. What bothers me though is that you're all too afraid to think for yourself, you'd rather believe someone who claims he has an indirect link, and that may or may not be the case and the information thats provided may or may not be true. If you dont think STC will be on the album, then give me significant reasons for Noel making that deicsion. And while I'm concluding this post, it brings me to #5 -- Noel has surely learned from the mistakes he's made regarding tracklistings in the past: you dont hold back gems: LLAMB, Acquiesce, etc...you release them to maximize your audience, your profit, your likability. The demo version can indeed be improved of STC, but even as is isn't bad and to not release it would be a MASSIVE mistake on Noel's part, and I'm sure he can see that...... |
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Post by brumoscardo on May 7, 2008 1:20:13 GMT -5
I bet my pancreas that STC will be in the first single and not as an A side.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 7, 2008 1:21:15 GMT -5
NOTHING you've said adds anything to them being on the album. You're playing a guessing game. Those of us who are stating that its not going to be on there, are dealing with facts. Tom Meighan has heard the album. He's also said to people STC is not on there, people that are far more inside than you in terms of their sources. Yet some dude in DC thinks it will be because he likes a demo from 2004. Thats what you're boiling it down to. All your "proof" is your opinion. You're stupid for even taking his word as gosspel. Has it ever occurred to you that Noel told him to say that? Noel regards STC VERY highly, as we know. Perhaps Noel wants to keep it secret that it's gonna be on the album to surprise us? Or perhaps Noel hasn't made up his mind yet, and doesnt want to commit to anything so he's told him to say that? You, and many others on here fit the definition of idiot to perfection - you're not able to think for yourself. |
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Post by shoofee on May 7, 2008 1:26:03 GMT -5
Again. How is your opinion more credible than SOURCES who are actually in the know? You just don't want to believe it. Even webby backs this up. No, sources arent always right, but theres a counter to every single thing you just stated. EVERYTHING you've stated and re-stated is your fucking opinion, and nothing more. Nothing is stated with a fact.
1. So? Bonehead's Bank Holiday almost made WTSMG. Sad Song almost made DM. I Can See It Now has only been released in Japan. This is a completely different record.
2. Again, So? It's a huge tease. It does not lend ANY creedence to it being released on a future album. None at all. You're guessing.
3. See #2. Its not separate when you're already trying to use this as a reason for your opinion.
4. Its not a demo. It's an outtake. Its the STC that was DROPPED. Same goes with Record Machine. These two songs are outtakes.
Record Machine has been rumored for months now as being part of it. Im not arguing against that.
STC has been stated by people in the know that it WONT BE on the record.
No one can give you specific reasonings as to why Noel is making that decision. If it didnt fit on DBTT (where after hearing it now the version it is would most definitely fit), what makes you so sure it would fit on THIS album. Especially when its been described by Noel and Liam as "groovy".
Everything you've stated is your opinion. Period. The people that are stating STC is not on the album are going by quotes by people that have HEARD the album.
God-fucking-dammit man. Its not a case of not thinking for yourself. Its trusting the source of the information., which you're not prepared to do, because you're not privy to inside information unless its posted here second hand. Look at all the idiots that laughed at the guy posting the lyrics of Record Machine and Nothing on Me.
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Post by costello on May 7, 2008 1:27:32 GMT -5
You're stupid for even taking his word as gosspel. Has it ever occurred to you that Noel told him to say that? Noel regards STC VERY highly, as we know. Perhaps Noel wants to keep it secret that it's gonna be on the album to surprise us? Or perhaps Noel hasn't made up his mind yet, and doesnt want to commit to anything so he's told him to say that? You, and many others on here fit the definition of idiot to perfection - you're not able to think for yourself. Then I guess it makes us more idiots than ever to trust YOUR words, to follow YOUR point of view etc... Cool down kid, here, we're only talking about SONGS, MUSIC & MUSICIANS.. no big deal.. open the window, put a record on and breathe... |
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Post by LlAM on May 7, 2008 1:28:29 GMT -5
Headshrinker, the reason why he named the greatest hits Stop The Clocks, and printed the lyrics in the leaflet, is because he's never going to release it.
And what 'tease' are you on about, he thought the demo leaked ages ago?
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Post by shoofee on May 7, 2008 1:28:55 GMT -5
NOTHING you've said adds anything to them being on the album. You're playing a guessing game. Those of us who are stating that its not going to be on there, are dealing with facts. Tom Meighan has heard the album. He's also said to people STC is not on there, people that are far more inside than you in terms of their sources. Yet some dude in DC thinks it will be because he likes a demo from 2004. Thats what you're boiling it down to. All your "proof" is your opinion. You're stupid for even taking his word as gosspel. Has it ever occurred to you that Noel told him to say that? Noel regards STC VERY highly, as we know. Perhaps Noel wants to keep it secret that it's gonna be on the album to surprise us? Or perhaps Noel hasn't made up his mind yet, and doesnt want to commit to anything so he's told him to say that? You, and many others on here fit the definition of idiot to perfection - you're not able to think for yourself. And you're a delusional wacko that refuses to even consider anything thats not said to him directly by Noel Gallagher. Im not taking it as gospel. However, I find the source to be a little more trustworthy than some douche from DC who likes STC and thinks it should be on there and has no factual backing showing that it is or isnt. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 7, 2008 1:30:51 GMT -5
Again. How is your opinion more credible than SOURCES who are actually in the know? You just don't want to believe it. Even webby backs this up. No, sources arent always right, but theres a counter to every single thing you just stated. EVERYTHING you've stated and re-stated is your fucking opinion, and nothing more. Nothing is stated with a fact. 1. So? Bonehead's Bank Holiday almost made WTSMG. Sad Song almost made DM. I Can See It Now has only been released in Japan. This is a completely different record. 2. Again, So? It's a huge tease. It does not lend ANY creedence to it being released on a future album. None at all. You're guessing. 3. See #2. Its not separate when you're already trying to use this as a reason for your opinion. 4. Its not a demo. It's an outtake. Its the STC that was DROPPED. Same goes with Record Machine. These two songs are outtakes. Record Machine has been rumored for months now as being part of it. Im not arguing against that. STC has been stated by people in the know that it WONT BE on the record. No one can give you specific reasonings as to why Noel is making that decision. If it didnt fit on DBTT (where after hearing it now the version it is would most definitely fit), what makes you so sure it would fit on THIS album. Especially when its been described by Noel and Liam as "groovy". Everything you've stated is your opinion. Period. The people that are stating STC is not on the album are going by quotes by people that have HEARD the album. God-fucking-dammit man. Its not a case of not thinking for yourself. Its trusting the source of the information., which you're not prepared to do, because you're not privy to inside information unless its posted here second hand. Look at all the idiots that laughed at the guy posting the lyrics of Record Machine and Nothing on Me. Yes, of course im guessing. But it's logical guessing. You're guessing too that the person telling u this is truthful. You're guessing too that the "sources" are right. I'm giving reasons for why i believe STC will be on the album. No one has given any reason why STC WONT be on the album. things like "Kasabian singer says its not on the album" is not a reason. Thats similar to "Headshrinker says STC will be on the album" -- it's not a reason. So at least use your fucking brains. If you dont think it's going to be on the album, at least use some sort of reason, give some sort of substantial belief to back it up. Again, my point isn't really about the fate of STC, but how you all are succumbing to that fate. If you can't think for yourselves, you're idiots. You really really are. Go read The Sun, you nutjobs |
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