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Post by joeyfrancis on May 7, 2008 14:56:42 GMT -5
Getting back on topic here, I wasn't impressed with Stop the Clocks. While I think it will sound better with choirs and orchestras and whatever the hell else Noel throws at it, I think it lacks a chorus. I honestly can't even remember how it goes now. It reminded me of the Masterplan except it never got to the "So you can dance if you wanna dance" part. Then I was sort of expecting a LTBLesque middle section, but it never came.
On the other hand, I think when it is all fleshed out, Record Machine is going to be amazing. I would be really disappointed if it didn't show up on the album.
Nothin' on me started off okay, but it got kind of annoying. I hope this doesn't end up on the album.
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Post by joeyfrancis on May 7, 2008 15:09:43 GMT -5
Sorry to double post....
Does anyone notice the similarity in the endings of Mucky Fingers and Record Machine? I think that is the exact same bass line.
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Post by Cast on May 7, 2008 15:59:58 GMT -5
Stop the Clocks doesn't move enough for me. I know its a trippy song and all that but i'd like some more stuff going on but I understand that this song is not the finial version. RM is a classic for me even right now. If it gets a boost with solos, choirs, strings then it will be high up on my favorite list . That last verse is the first time in years that Noel has written a true anthem ( no disrepect to any of the new tunes but non are really anthemic to me but they shine is other ways such as i think IOBI is one of the best tunes they've done b/c its so clever and 60s) Nothing on Me is a rambling tune. No its not supposed to be a lyrical masterpiece its about Liam's fight in Germany so I'm not gonna mack on the lyrics too much but the overall tune is ok it could be a solid b-side
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Post by dearprudence on May 7, 2008 17:05:27 GMT -5
For me is just magnificent track... just love it... dont give a shit if noel thinks is his best or his worst job.... for me is amazing song... their are better oasis songs indeed... but not many..
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Post by checkwithmemum on May 7, 2008 17:34:20 GMT -5
Headshrinker is the number 1 biggest problem this forum has.
Even if Noel said to you in person that it wasn't on the album you would just say that he was "trying to surprise us", you just want to believe it is on their that you now want listen to reason.
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Post by supersonic1983 on May 8, 2008 6:09:23 GMT -5
The problem is when people argue conjecture, and present it as fact.
Either way, someone's going to look very stupid come August.
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Post by LlAM on May 8, 2008 6:29:39 GMT -5
The verses in Record Machine are actually quite bad, it makes Just Getting Older and Cigs In Hell sound like nr. 1 hit singles.
If it's on the album I hope they tweaked the melody.
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Post by psj3809 on May 8, 2008 7:00:12 GMT -5
No wonder the worlds messed up when people get into heated arguments over songs which 'may' or 'may not' be on an upcoming album.
Its like hearing a bunch of girls argue with all the name calling and 'you said this...' and 'if you arent right you have to leave...' stuff.
Laughable. The worst people though are the idiots who post made up demos pretending theyre from Oasis, these twats have wayyyyy to much time on their hands. Their parents should have shown them more love as a kid or something as the way they want this 'attention' from people on the net is just weird.
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Post by Apod17 on May 8, 2008 9:06:44 GMT -5
I think STC leaking is the best thing that ever could have happened...I think if the first taste was on an album it wouldn't have been received as well. Now the larger hyped aspect of hearing it will be replaced with a more subtle hype as to how they perfect it from this demo. I think it definitely needs tweaked. I enjoyed it but I don't think it has much appeal outside the heavy fans. I don't want to say I was disappointed in it because I enjoyed it a lot but it isn't the best thing he has written. Absolutely loved DM though; it has great appeal and could be a great single. Kindof unopinionated about the Nothin on me, I did enjoy it though.
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Post by jdsilva67 on May 8, 2008 11:03:01 GMT -5
I really enjoy both STC and RM, but it's pretty evident that they were both raw cuts. With some refinement to the sound, I think STC could end up being a much better realized version of melancholy growers that Noel tried so hard for on Standing on the Shoulder of Giants (Who Feels Love, Roll it Over, Sunday Morning Call). Noel really used the kind of progressions that made Champagne Supernova great in a more melancholic way here.
Record Machine needs some lyrical work, I think, but I like the melody. If it ends up being a 10 minute epic, it could end up being remembered as a much better All Around the World. This should end up being right up there with Don't Look Back in Anger as one of the great sing-along tunes for concerts in the future. The chorus is perfect for it.
Anyway, with more refined production, if these songs are the next album, it already has a huge foundation to build upon. Can't wait.
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Post by idledreamer on May 8, 2008 12:29:09 GMT -5
love stop the clocks already but having heard it i think noel is spot on for not releasing it yet... don't worry the chief will work it out and it will go down as one of the best oasis songs ever
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Post by noel's soul on May 8, 2008 13:51:00 GMT -5
Ok first time poster so here it goes. The big highlight for me was the last verse on RM...epic like the first time you listened to the Acquisce chorus. The infamous Stop the Clocks...a more mature 'sad song', just lacks a killer chorus/refrain. THe ending is unreal  Nothing on me, love the guitar and the verse but definitely wont be on album.  All in all its looking rather promising  |
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Post by pedrostoptheclocks on May 8, 2008 14:06:59 GMT -5
i'm very impressed with the liam sung version of ldsmd...one rumour suggests the version released last year as a d/l single will be on the album at track 12...i'd probably prefer the liam demo -enhanced of course.
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Post by GasPanic on May 8, 2008 14:54:40 GMT -5
The songs need to be less acoustic, its hard to have an epic song when its purely acoustic.
That's just like saying It's A Crime was massive. Every song has its limits. Noel just has to not push the limits of the songs, but still make them epic. The sound for the upcoming album might be different. Whatever they do, though, they HAVE to make this album epic, massive, and ingenious.
Hopefully Noel won't screw this up.
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Post by pumpkins4life on May 10, 2008 16:37:18 GMT -5
the music is predictable and a great example of boring, terrible drumming as always. bring back McCarroll.
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Post by TheEXPERIENCE on May 10, 2008 16:48:23 GMT -5
The songs need to be less acoustic, its hard to have an epic song when its purely acoustic. That's just like saying It's A Crime was massive. Every song has its limits. Noel just has to not push the limits of the songs, but still make them epic. The sound for the upcoming album might be different. Whatever they do, though, they HAVE to make this album epic, massive, and ingenious. Hopefully Noel won't screw this up. I think that's definitely one issue with this version of STC. I mean it's really only an acoustic guitar and some percussion until the big outro (which is kickass). I love that weird backwards guitar, but think how much trippier it would be if it had more than just an guitar under it. The fact that it doesn't have much of a melody doesn't really bother me...it's sort of a dreamy kinda song so I think Noel can get away with the vocals as is, but only if they spice up the rest of the song. Cause like someone else said I think, it's really like an acoustic Noel b-side for most of the songs. It's just that those few parts are fuckin mega...so we see the potential. As far as RM...I think it sounds awesome as is. It kinda reminds me of the Beatles Psychedelic Pop days of the late 60s. Although there's definitely room to make it longer and more "epic" so to speak. I hope they come out with the long version Noel's mentioned. |
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Post by The Boy Without the Blues on May 10, 2008 18:20:33 GMT -5
We don't know if these are going to be on the album. But logic suggest that both STC and RM WILL be on it in some form, NOM is still up in there air. I have great reasoning for this belief, don't believe the fools that say "Kasabian singer says ____" or "My close source says ____" that's rubbish. Believe me, STC and RM have a great chance of making it, and if they dont, it's a great shame and Noel fucked up again as he did with the likes of Acquiesce and LAMB, etc
1.) Nothing on Me: 7/10Sounds like the most demo-ish of the 3, if you will. I'm sure if they cleaned it up, it would be an 8/10 song. I instantly thought of Meaning of Soul when I heard it. And I do rate MOS as 7/10, but I like NOM better. Not sure if it will be on the album, only because it does sound very DBTT-ish, while the other 2 leaked don't. 2.) Stop the Clocks: 10/10It's a great song. When I first read the lyrics, I did like them, but thought they were too repetitive, and that the song would suffer because of it. However, it works. As most have said, it has potential to be even better, but in no way would i be dissapointed if this was the final album version. Remember, Noel said he had several (7-ish) versions of this song, so we don't know which one he has, or how he's tweaked it since 2005. I do see and understand why most people say "it doesn't go anywhere" -- ie, its too repetitive, as i first anticipated when first i read the lyrics in 2006. But it still somehow works, imo. If you don't pay attention to the time, it's not too long at all. Yeah, 10/10 suggest perfection, but it's not perfect, it's close to it though. A few tweaks, and we're in business. Outro is mega. This is up there with Wonderwall, but Wonderwall gets the SLIGHT edge because its more commercial/sing-songy....STC is still the biggest mystery because we don't know how different the final version is to this one we have lol BTW, this song pisses all over the final, released version of LTBL on DBTT (6.5/10 or 7/10 song). STC could have easily been the closer instead, it would have worked. Noel fucked up LTBL -- Liam said he wanted it to be bigger, Noel disagreed. LTBL need another verse with Noel vocals like "come on baby blue", and since it doesnt have that PLUS that out of place, unnecessariy outro, makes it suffer. STC is a million times better, even as a demo. 3.) Record Machine: 10/10For comparison sake: 11/10 --> It's better than STC. If the rumor is true that this song is 4mins longer, with 1-2 more guitar solos, then fuck me!! The demo is already epic. I'm going to cry if this doesn't make it on the album, irrespective of how good the other tunes are. It's tied with Champagne Supernova for me already, and has the potential to be bigger and better if they tweak the final version correctly. It's better than AATW because that song is TOO long and drags on (it's good, but too long and unneccessariy as it continues), On the contrary, RM is SO good, it builds up, and the guitar solo and the last verse is fucking amazing. You just want to put your fist in the air at that point and sing along with so much pride and passion -- this will be MONUMENTAL live. Record Machine reminds me so much of Flashbax, which is a great thing -- both have the same sound, the same lyrical content/structure, simply amazing.
Overall Verdict:The safe bet would assume STC and/or RM makes the album, especially the latter (RM). And thus shows us the direction the band are going for the 2008 release. STC and RM are very WTS/BHN-esqe, and that's fantastic. DBTT was a great album imo (POTQ, TIOBI, Lyla, and LLAB) but most of us, including myself, want the big, bravado Oasis sound again. Noel has learned and matured since 1997, so even though there's similarities with BHN, it wont be percieved as a disaster. Going by what we have and the assumption that the album will contain STC and RM - or songs very similar in style - it's safe to assume this album will be MONUMENTAL and will indeed rival WTSMG and Oasis' 2nd best album (General consensus). I can't fucking wait. I've been spamming my friends, almost all non-oasis fans/friends that only like the hits, all day. That's how proud I am of this leak. When I heard RM I wanted to cry. And it's still amazes me right now after the 30th listen, and it's only a fucking demo - that's such a positive sign. SOTSOG/HC years are far gone now. No longer are we gonna get filler, and no longer should we expect it. DBTT showed us Oasis are serious again, and this 2008 release will be no different - as serious as DBTT but with the big sound and guitar solos of WTS/BHN, i'm SO excited. Ok Head, I think you're going a little over the top with those songs... how in the world could a demo be 10 out of 10?? do you honestly think STC and RC are PERFECT songs? cos' they're not. they're good songs, and thats all. RM is a great song, but is not nearly as good as CS, it would have to improve a lot to even come closer. And you honestly see STC being played in the radio as much as wonderwall? I mean as a song that defines the decade? I really don't believe in it. So just open your mind a little bit, they are both good songs with potencial to be great tunes but let's not forget that we're talking about Noel Gallagher here... the DBTT tour ended in 2006 and late that year the STC album was released.... don't you think that ever since Noel had plenty of time to write songs as good or even better than those? I honestly hope they are in the album cos' I really enjoy them, but let's face they are not the best thing in the world, and I believe Noel could always do better... I actually hope he does |
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Post by 32shutout on May 10, 2008 19:14:42 GMT -5
I have a question about Stop the Clocks. Does anybody know if this is just a demo, or if is it the actual outtake from DBTT, that was planned for release.
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Post by oliverlewis on May 10, 2008 20:12:56 GMT -5
1. "Nothin' On Me": Throw away, B side at best
2. "Record Machine": Plodding, ponderous, boring boring. Sounds too 60's .
3. "Stop The Clocks": Ok, has potential. Actually sound like oasis but still too slow. If he speeded it up it could be better rather than so sloooow.
I also don't think they were leaks but came from the band or management themselves to gauge opinion.
All in all. Potential with STC but leave the other two off.
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Post by Mr. Monobrow on May 11, 2008 4:54:11 GMT -5
I have a question about Stop the Clocks. Does anybody know if this is just a demo, or if is it the actual outtake from DBTT, that was planned for release. I don't think anyone really knows for certain. I'm of the view that they are all DBTT outtakes, to be honest. I'm hoping someone asks Noel about them one day, and he's relaxed enough to talk about them. |
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Post by TheEXPERIENCE on May 11, 2008 19:42:24 GMT -5
I think STC could be monumental if they really put a lot of time into it. Imagine it being about 7 or 8 minutes long with the first half staying just like the leaked version, except instead of ending after the outro, it builds into a harder electric sound (like Champagne Supernova) and then Liam takes over vox...Anyways just an idea
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