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Nirvana
Jun 2, 2015 18:13:29 GMT -5
Post by sortitout1471 on Jun 2, 2015 18:13:29 GMT -5
Is Montage of Heck worth paying for? I know that sounds awful... It's streaming on Sky Box Office, so it costs a couple quid. My brother's coming round to watch some films so I thought we could watch that, but I've had mixed reviews from people about it. I'm a huge Nirvana fan, he's more of a casual fan, so dunno if I should pay for it now or wait and watch it when it's free in a couple months It's certainly worth a watch. Had mixed opinions on it myself as a film for numerous reasons but is definitely worth a watch. Visually and stuff its great in parts. Seeing some of Cobain's noodlings , artwork and ramblings come to life was good. Morgen did good job in that respect and it is a well made film. BUT..i did have some issues with the narrative tone of the film and basically just a lot of stuff about Cobain's life not even vaguely mentioned. Sometimes suspiciously so..like no even brief mention of Cobain relationship with Tobi Vail in Olympia. Anyone with passing interest in Nirvana should get something from it though. There was a lot of demos and stuff. There was way too much Kurt & Courtney home video stuff tho and you will feel creepy for watching it. Also inadvertently possibly the biggest anti-smack advert ever. |
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Nirvana
Jun 2, 2015 18:29:31 GMT -5
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Post by carryusall on Jun 2, 2015 18:29:31 GMT -5
Is Montage of Heck worth paying for? I know that sounds awful... It's streaming on Sky Box Office, so it costs a couple quid. My brother's coming round to watch some films so I thought we could watch that, but I've had mixed reviews from people about it. I'm a huge Nirvana fan, he's more of a casual fan, so dunno if I should pay for it now or wait and watch it when it's free in a couple months It's certainly worth a watch. Had mixed opinions on it myself as a film for numerous reasons but is definitely worth a watch. Visually and stuff its great in parts. Seeing some of Cobain's noodlings , artwork and ramblings come to life was good. Morgen did good job in that respect and it is a well made film. BUT..i did have some issues with the narrative tone of the film and basically just a lot of stuff about Cobain's life not even vaguely mentioned. Sometimes suspiciously so..like no even brief mention of Cobain relationship with Tobi Vail in Olympia. Anyone with passing interest in Nirvana should get something from it though. There was a lot of demos and stuff. There was way too much Kurt & Courtney home video stuff tho and you will feel creepy for watching it. Also inadvertently possibly the biggest anti-smack advert ever. Thanks mate, good review, definitely gonna check it out in the next day or two  Can't wait to hear the Kurt album that the director was talking about! |
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Jun 6, 2015 12:07:27 GMT -5
An insightful read about Buzz Osborne's thoughts on the new Montage of Heck film documentary. thetalkhouse.com/music/talks/buzz-osborne-the-melvins-talks/Buzz Osborne is very much a straight talking, non bullshit kinda guy and his perspective is one I'd consider probably as reliable as it's going to get. Sounds about spot on to me. |
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Post by sortitout1471 on Jun 7, 2015 16:26:18 GMT -5
An insightful read about Buzz Osborne's thoughts on the new Montage of Heck film documentary. thetalkhouse.com/music/talks/buzz-osborne-the-melvins-talks/Buzz Osborne is very much a straight talking, non bullshit kinda guy and his perspective is one I'd consider probably as reliable as it's going to get. Sounds about spot on to me. Have to agree with lot of Buzz says there and yeh he usually is very straight talking type of guy. Like he says he was at school with Kurt and it was a small school in a school town if that backward girl thing Kurt said happened and her dad came into school looking for Kurt and people were calling Kurt a "retard fucker" in school Buzz would have more than likely been at least vaguely aware of it. But you have to wonder if it wasn't true why on earth would Cobain make it up ? Why record himself talking about it? Perhaps maybe Kurt was just exaggerating and was based on just some bad early sex encounter when 14 and he exaggerated (something Cobain did do at times) I actually liked the film (tho had quite lot of criticisms myself as have already said) . I've noticed theres few people like Buzz Osborne , Alice Wheeler (a Nirvana photographer and Cobain friend) being very critical of it. Having said that Buzz Osborne can be often been very negative towards anything Nirvana related and bit of an arsehole. Not so much in a nasty way (altho can be) more like i just get the impression he is still quite bitter , angry and annoyed by how Cobain (who was a friend at end of the day) ended up a drug addict and dead at 27. He also absolutely hates Courtney Love. Few vids were hes less than positive about Nirvana:- Ive heard Buzz before say he wished Kurt was just took up flipping burgers for a living and still alive rather than what happened to him. |
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Nirvana
Jun 7, 2015 17:20:40 GMT -5
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Post by carryusall on Jun 7, 2015 17:20:40 GMT -5
If I was King Buzzo I'd be fed up of being asked about Kurt and Dave and Nirvana after being in a band and making music myself all these years. I guess he sometimes brings it up himself. I dunno, I agree with you that he can kinda be an arsehole sometimes. And I like the guy
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Nirvana
Jun 7, 2015 18:51:24 GMT -5
Post by Rain on Jun 7, 2015 18:51:24 GMT -5
Is Montage of Heck worth paying for? I know that sounds awful... It's streaming on Sky Box Office, so it costs a couple quid. My brother's coming round to watch some films so I thought we could watch that, but I've had mixed reviews from people about it. I'm a huge Nirvana fan, he's more of a casual fan, so dunno if I should pay for it now or wait and watch it when it's free in a couple months It's out there for free if you look. There's a lot unseen footage and interview of Kurt's parents, which is mega rare. |
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Nirvana
Jun 7, 2015 19:01:46 GMT -5
Post by Rain on Jun 7, 2015 19:01:46 GMT -5
An insightful read about Buzz Osborne's thoughts on the new Montage of Heck film documentary. thetalkhouse.com/music/talks/buzz-osborne-the-melvins-talks/Buzz Osborne is very much a straight talking, non bullshit kinda guy and his perspective is one I'd consider probably as reliable as it's going to get. Sounds about spot on to me. Have to agree with lot of Buzz says there and yeh he usually is very straight talking type of guy. Like he says he was at school with Kurt and it was a small school in a school town if that backward girl thing Kurt said happened and her dad came into school looking for Kurt and people were calling Kurt a "retard fucker" in school Buzz would have more than likely been at least vaguely aware of it. But you have to wonder if it wasn't true why on earth would Cobain make it up ? Why record himself talking about it? Perhaps maybe Kurt was just exaggerating and was based on just some bad early sex encounter when 14 and he exaggerated (something Cobain did do at times) I actually liked the film (tho had quite lot of criticisms myself as have already said) . I've noticed theres few people like Buzz Osborne , Alice Wheeler (a Nirvana photographer and Cobain friend) being very critical of it. Having said that Buzz Osborne can be often been very negative towards anything Nirvana related and bit of an arsehole. Not so much in a nasty way (altho can be) more like i just get the impression he is still quite bitter , angry and annoyed by how Cobain (who was a friend at end of the day) ended up a drug addict and dead at 27. He also absolutely hates Courtney Love. Few vids were hes less than positive about Nirvana:- Ive heard Buzz before say he wished Kurt was just took up flipping burgers for a living and still alive rather than what happened to him. Let's face it Buzz wanted be famous as kurt/ Nirvana and never was. He is held to certain degree respected by Nirvana fans, because Kurt liked them, especially Dale Grover and his band at one point, but overall Nirvana blew so way passed them. It's only reason the Melvins are even talked about this day. It's only thing keeping them away from being a local bar band on Friday and Saturday night. They're making a living because Nirvana name attached. |
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Nirvana
Jun 7, 2015 19:15:50 GMT -5
Post by The Crimson Rambler on Jun 7, 2015 19:15:50 GMT -5
Have to agree with lot of Buzz says there and yeh he usually is very straight talking type of guy. Like he says he was at school with Kurt and it was a small school in a school town if that backward girl thing Kurt said happened and her dad came into school looking for Kurt and people were calling Kurt a "retard fucker" in school Buzz would have more than likely been at least vaguely aware of it. But you have to wonder if it wasn't true why on earth would Cobain make it up ? Why record himself talking about it? Perhaps maybe Kurt was just exaggerating and was based on just some bad early sex encounter when 14 and he exaggerated (something Cobain did do at times) I actually liked the film (tho had quite lot of criticisms myself as have already said) . I've noticed theres few people like Buzz Osborne , Alice Wheeler (a Nirvana photographer and Cobain friend) being very critical of it. Having said that Buzz Osborne can be often been very negative towards anything Nirvana related and bit of an arsehole. Not so much in a nasty way (altho can be) more like i just get the impression he is still quite bitter , angry and annoyed by how Cobain (who was a friend at end of the day) ended up a drug addict and dead at 27. He also absolutely hates Courtney Love. Few vids were hes less than positive about Nirvana:- Ive heard Buzz before say he wished Kurt was just took up flipping burgers for a living and still alive rather than what happened to him. Let's face it Buzz wanted be famous as kurt/ Nirvana and never was. He is held to certain degree respected by Nirvana fans, because Kurt liked them, especially Dale Grover and his band at one point, but overall Nirvana blew so way passed them. It's only reason the Melvins are even talked about this day. It's only thing keeping them away from being a local bar band on Friday and Saturday night. They're making a living because Nirvana name attached. I think that's a very unfair, naive comment to make. A bar band? Please. The Melvin's make a living because they have a deserved fanbase, some of whom may have first heard the band through liking Nirvana beforehand, but how in anyway is that any different from any other band? Chances are the only reason you're ever hearing about the Melvin's is because your actively following Nirvana, hence any news story that mentions the Melvin's also mentions Nirvana. Bands and artists are cursed by past successes and acquaintances all the time simply because the media want nothing more than to sell their magazines and a Nirvana/Oasis story is going to sell more than a Melvins/NGHFB's story. |
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Nirvana
Jun 7, 2015 19:18:18 GMT -5
Post by sortitout1471 on Jun 7, 2015 19:18:18 GMT -5
Hmmm...maybe SOME truth in that . Though not sure Buzz ever wanted to be famous ! Melvins as good as they were were never going to be as big as Nirvana. Kurt wrote pop songs that basically that likes of Buzz could never do and Kurt had great voice but you can't ignore how Buzz and Krist and Kurt were all good friends , grew up in same town and for a while were intertwined in Bleach era days. Like you say Dale Crover played drums on some of Bleach and some tunes that ended up on Incesticide. Dale Crover even played on the pre-Nirvana Fecal Matter stuff.
Buzz and Krist are still good friends to this day.
Don't think it's envy when Buzz talks about Nirvana at all. There is times you can physically tell he is still upset , sad and annoyed by Kurt killing himself. Thats not envy of Nirvana's success at all. Its almost the opposite.
Also again Buzz always absolutely hated Courtney Love and has always reckoned -rightly or wrongly- most of Kurt's problems were down to her.
Youre talking rubbish though if think Melvins were a bar band ! Even if don't like their music and im not even a particular big fan myself but they could seriously play what they did.
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Nirvana
Jun 8, 2015 11:45:22 GMT -5
Post by Praetorian on Jun 8, 2015 11:45:22 GMT -5
I think some of Buzz's claims are exaggerations. Kurt didn't have stomach issues? Really? Why would he write so deeply about it in his journals then? Or write a very personal song about it? I doubt he had a masterplan to troll everyone, or something. I just think this guy is bitter.
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Nirvana
Jun 14, 2015 15:56:44 GMT -5
Post by Rain on Jun 14, 2015 15:56:44 GMT -5
Kurt Cobain Montage of Heck Full Movie
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Nirvana
Jun 14, 2015 16:28:09 GMT -5
Post by sortitout1471 on Jun 14, 2015 16:28:09 GMT -5
I think some of Buzz's claims are exaggerations. Kurt didn't have stomach issues? Really? Why would he write so deeply about it in his journals then? Or write a very personal song about it? I doubt he had a masterplan to troll everyone, or something. I just think this guy is bitter. Heroin and opiate withdrawl itself causes severe stomach pains and cramps. You get bad diarrhoea and vomiting. It also causes physically painful digestive issues. Heroin itself will kill any pain but its very harsh on the digestive system. Physical stomach pains are what happens when you come down. Buzz wasn't doubting Kurt had stomach problems he was saying he thinks they were mostly heroin related. Kurt though always insisted he had stomach problems before he used smack and in fairness maybe he did ; i do rememebr hearing he did have endoscopes as a kid because he had problems eating which suggests he might have had some other problem physically but Buzz is a former heroin user himself. He knows what sounds like junkie talk and excuses. Having said that it is possible to be a junkie and have other health issues. Who knows though..Was notable Cobain was still mentioning his stomach in his suicide note. |
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Nirvana
Jun 14, 2015 20:06:03 GMT -5
Post by sortitout1471 on Jun 14, 2015 20:06:03 GMT -5
www.riffyou.com/buzz-osborne-defends-stance-cobain-doc/RY: What prompted your Montage of Heck article for The Talk House? Buzz: “I was asked to review it. I never would’ve watched it otherwise.” RY: Were you surprised by how far off you saw the film to be? Buzz: “I wasn’t surprised. I’m never surprised, because generally speaking [Cobain’s story] has never been right. It never has been in the past…I would’ve been surprised if it were right on.” RY: When writing the review, how much of it was about standing up for a friend that isn’t around to defend himself? Buzz: “Yes. That’s it, 100%. I don’t understand how anyone could see it another way. If they want to argue and say that I’m wrong, then okay, I’ll play their game. Would they feel better if Kurt Cobain did ‘fuck a fat retard.’ Do they feel better now? Do they feel better if he actually was suicidal? That makes you feel better? None of that’s true. I don’t think that’s a good legacy for him to have out there…I know it’s not true. It’s that simple.” RY: I think a lot of people tried to trick themselves into believing that everything – or a lot of what they’ve seen about Cobain from that movie – was going to be true because it was fully authorized and featured family members. Buzz: “If they want to take her (Courtney Love’s) word for things, then go ahead. Do you feel better? Then everything she says is the golden rule. Absolutely. That’s got to be honest, no problem. That’s fine by me. If that makes them feel better, it’s fine by me. “I just don’t understand how anybody could possibly defend her…if they want to defend her or take the side of the film maker, go ahead. How is that my fault? How am I to blame for that? Like I said in my article: ‘Facts don’t make any difference. What matters is what people believe.’ The ‘truth’ about [Cobain’s] situation has always been false. So there you go…utter fabrication. That’s never not been the case.” RY: I take it that you were never asked to be a part of Montage of Heck? Buzz: “No. But, I don’t care about that. That’s not my problem. My problem with the whole thing is that they decided to do a documentary and put it out there like it’s true. Well, there are some people out here who don’t believe that. And I am one of them. And I have reason not to believe it. “If people want to question me and they want to question my authenticity, [I’d say] ‘why would I defend him (Kurt) in a way that makes him look better?’ They want to portray him in a way that makes him look worse. To be offended by that is really weird. I question their motives.” RY: Leading up to the movie’s release, its director Brett Morgen said “audiences for the first time are going to meet Kurt Cobain.” Buzz: “Well, that’s a good try…as far as he knows. Look, who would know better [about Cobain]? Me or him?” RY: I’d pick you. Buzz: “There you go. Who would you put your money on? I have no reason to disagree [with the film]…no reason. I gain nothing from this. I gain absolutely nothing from being honest about Kurt Cobainthis. What do I gain? [Morgen’s] the one who is gaining, not me. If he believes [the stories], I don’t care, that’s fine with me…he can do that. But, I don’t have to go along with that. “One of the biggest problems I’ve had with this scenario is that I am not really rich. If I was really rich, the respect with that would come…people would believe me more. Because I’m not, they don’t believe me. So be it. That’s 100% the truth. If people think I am gaining something from this, they’re out of their minds. I got asked to review it, so I reviewed it. I reviewed it as honestly as I could…as a review. I happen to know a lot of the stuff [shared in the movie] isn’t true. If people want to believe it and think he was capable of doing all those things, that’s their problem. But, I am not going along with it.” RY: Even though Kurt was your friend, you haven’t always been quick to defend what happened to him. Do you think you defending him here is what has taken some people aback? Buzz: “Look, and I said this in the review as well: I don’t have many happy memories of [that era]…why would I? Why would I?” RY: I don’t know if it matters to you or not, but do you foresee a time that people get past the stories of Kurt Cobain and choose to instead focus solely on his albums? Buzz: “I don’t know, who cares? People will believe whatever they want.” plus ...
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 19, 2015 6:40:23 GMT -5
Finally watched the documentary. It was definitely interesting and contained footage I hadn't seen in 20 years. Still it was strange to have zero Dave Grohl interviews. I get that he and Courtney hate each other but for the sake of the project, bury the hatchet!
Bottom line, Kurt was an extremely disturbed young man. We still don't have a clear picture what happened between his suicide attempt in Rome and 30 days later when he shot himself in the face. Courtney is probably hiding (protecting) more secrets.
"Married..........BURIED!!!!!"
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Nirvana
Jun 20, 2015 13:50:11 GMT -5
Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 20, 2015 13:50:11 GMT -5
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Post by John Henry Holliday on Aug 4, 2015 6:11:10 GMT -5
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Post by underneaththesky on Aug 4, 2015 7:33:14 GMT -5
courtney's already on it.. songs are gone from youtube
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Nirvana
Aug 5, 2015 12:28:13 GMT -5
Post by sortitout1471 on Aug 5, 2015 12:28:13 GMT -5
seems like quite a lot of unheard demo stuff is leaking :-
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Oct 7, 2015 13:06:44 GMT -5
 www.rollingstone.com/music/news/inside-montage-of-heck-albums-trove-of-unreleased-kurt-cobain-2015100731 song tracklist revealed. I'm looking forward to hearing it however in not I getting my hopes up about it's content. I believe it should very much be viewed as an insight into Kurt's workings and in no way as an 'LP' of any sorts. For that reason I hope Brett will officially define it as a 'Compilation Album' and drives it home to reel in any silly expectations from some. I'm in no way as clued up about Nirvana's demos as I am Oasis ones however I hope there's a sizable batch of new material there. Brett claims everything is unreleased however, unless I'm much mistaken, that Sappy demo we heard the other day has been doing the rounds for millennia. Anyway, it'll be very interesting I'm sure. |
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Nirvana
Oct 14, 2015 17:39:16 GMT -5
Post by The Crimson Rambler on Oct 14, 2015 17:39:16 GMT -5
Done a few tracklists recently so I wanted to do one for a different band. Turns out Nirvana are pretty difficult band to rank, which I suppose is a testament to the consistency of Kurt's songwriting. Anyway, here's my (very loose!) top 10 favourite Nirvana tracks:
1) In Bloom
2) Scentless Apprentice
3) Smells Like Teen Spirit
4) Dumb
5) Milk It
6) Breed
7) Come As You Are
8) Territorial Pissings
9) Serve The Servants
10) On A Plain
Honourable mentions: Heart-Shaped Box & tourette's
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