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Post by themanwholivesinhell on Aug 31, 2024 16:06:57 GMT -5
One million tickets available against a demand of around 40 million. In the best case scenario, if I did the math correctly, there is a 4% chance of success taking into account that a person could take a maximum of four coupons. Crazy Yeah, it's totally true dynamic pricing is probably the reason why I got tickets. It's also true other big acts do it. And I would not be surprised if this was part of the conditions to get that supposed 50M check. But at the same time, it simply does not seem fair to everyone If it was a part of the contract they had to sign with Ticketmaster, then I wouldn’t be surprised if someone within the band’s team ended up criticising the site publicly for the negative attention this has created. I remember that happened this year with Taylor Swift. |
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Post by Jgrp on Aug 31, 2024 16:07:17 GMT -5
These gigs are so far away I’m sure there will be more legit tickets popping up on the sites (but not advertised) plus plenty of resales.
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Post by queenblougaredoc on Aug 31, 2024 16:09:02 GMT -5
Could be a good idea to create a section on this forum for ticket exchange? (Always face value)
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Post by themanwholivesinhell on Aug 31, 2024 16:10:09 GMT -5
These gigs are so far away I’m sure there will be more legit tickets popping up on the sites (but not advertised) plus plenty of resales. Id like to think so. From here on, no-one will pay those inflated prices, so all those tickets bought by touts at high value will just be worth what someone’s willing to pay. And if theyve any sense, people will hold out until sellers are forced to drop prices. |
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Post by quantum on Aug 31, 2024 16:12:07 GMT -5
It's doesn't make it right, but if two weeks ago a magic genie had asked for a few hundred quid to make Oasis reform and for you to see them live again, I think you'd have bitten their hand off!
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Post by mimmihopps on Aug 31, 2024 16:12:42 GMT -5
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Post by defmaybe00 on Aug 31, 2024 16:13:27 GMT -5
Ticketmaster has been doing this for big acts in certain countries (started in the US) for a while, it's not Oasis in particular I don't get what people's expectations for this were, of course they were gonna try to make as much money from it as possible, and their relationship is so complex you don't just go out and act as if nothing happened They gave us a glimpse of the photoshoot, I'm sure they'll give us more in the future I think when you been told tickets are 150 and you sit in a queue for 2-4 your expectation is to pay 150... it not like like they added £30 it went to 350 in no way can anyone justify that. Just cos 'others do it' doesn't mean it's ok when you already sat on nearly £200 million in tickets sales in 1 day. Nothing can justify that 150 -350 increase without prior warning Agreed and I'm glad they’re not doing it in Italy (yet), just saying it's got more to do with Ticketmasters than Oasis specifically |
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Post by racingman11 on Aug 31, 2024 16:19:24 GMT -5
I think when you been told tickets are 150 and you sit in a queue for 2-4 your expectation is to pay 150... it not like like they added £30 it went to 350 in no way can anyone justify that. Just cos 'others do it' doesn't mean it's ok when you already sat on nearly £200 million in tickets sales in 1 day. Nothing can justify that 150 -350 increase without prior warning Agreed and I'm glad they’re not doing it in Italy (yet), just saying it's got more to do with Ticketmasters than Oasis specifically Well to simplify Oasis got a deal from the promoter saying « You will get this amount against X gigs with these conditions ». So the Oasis management definitely validated this option, but I may have been an overlook from the management and/or Noel and Liam may not even know that happened. I doubt there was a long debate with the Gallaghers about this, if any. |
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Post by Jgrp on Aug 31, 2024 16:21:51 GMT -5
The worst thing with dynamic pricing isn’t the value itself, it’s that prices are advertised and x and increased to y at the moment of purchase after queuing hours.
The same thing would have happens if it was originally £75 to £150. No one likes to be mugged off. Whatever face value is should be warranted. Those not willing to pay don’t have to spend hours queing. Those willing to buy get no surprises
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Post by jaq515 on Aug 31, 2024 16:24:51 GMT -5
I think when you been told tickets are 150 and you sit in a queue for 2-4 your expectation is to pay 150... it not like like they added £30 it went to 350 in no way can anyone justify that. Just cos 'others do it' doesn't mean it's ok when you already sat on nearly £200 million in tickets sales in 1 day. Nothing can justify that 150 -350 increase without prior warning Agreed and I'm glad they’re not doing it in Italy (yet), just saying it's got more to do with Ticketmasters than Oasis specifically am sure the artist can opt out of it. If not then obv 100% is ticketmaster My view is they sold 1.3 million tickets today with a potential 14 million demand.. but lets say thats 4 million realistically with people using multiple devices, tabs, friendship groups all going for same tickets.. but either way surely ALL tickets were in high demand not many acts sell 1.3 million in less than 24 hours.. so why wait until the gigs basically sold out just to rinse the people still desperate for a ticket. They know it wouldn't fly from 1 hour in so waited until 5 hours in. They know its wrong but just do it enough where the can take advantage of the most desperate who's not yet got a ticket and not have everyone complaining about it as most tickets already been sold |
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Post by bolco on Aug 31, 2024 16:28:03 GMT -5
What’s The Story? A Look At Oasis’ Touring History
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What’s The Story? A Look At Oasis’ Touring History
It’s been 15 years since the famous backstage dust-up at Rock en Seine finally shattered the uneasy, contentious relationship between rock’s most famously belligerent brothers, Liam and Noel Gallagher. Oasis, it seemed on that hot August night outside Paris, was forever finished.
But the Gallaghers, with the passage of time, have come to some kind of understanding and made enough peace to announce what is now a 17-show stadium tour of the U.K. and Ireland for 2025 with plans allegedly in the works for a longer tour that will take them around the world.
The Oasis reunion shows will be promoted globally by Arthur Fogel and Denis Desmond for Live Nation, and UK promoter SJM Concert’s Managing Director Simon Moran. As chairman of Live Nation Global Touring, Fogel has helmed many global blockbusters, including serving as Live Nation’s worldwide promoter for U2, Madonna, Beyonce and Lady Gaga, among others. Fogel also helmed the hugely successful Police reunion tour for Live Nation in 2007—2008 that grossed $352 million from 140 shows, according to Pollstar Boxoffice reports.
In many ways, the routing parallels Oasis’ last proper tour in 2009, which squeezed in headlining shows around festival appearances. They’ll again play Heaton Park in their hometown of Manchester where, in 2009, the first night of a three-night stand at Heaton Park — the largest municipal park in Europe — was delayed multiple times due to electrical problems and eventually declared a free show. Those shows drew 70,000 each night, according to contemporaneous local news reports. Manchester’s night mayor announced the capacity for the 2025 run will be 80,000.
That capacity matches with the most recent reported total for an Oasis show in the Pollstar Boxoffice: 80,241 tickets for a gross of $8.12 million at Slane Castle in Dublin June 20, 2009. Oasis led a bill that included The Prodigy, Kasabian, Glasvegas and The Blizzards.
Shows at Murrayfield in Edinburgh, Principality Stadium in Cardiff (then known as Millennium Stadium) and a run at Wembley Stadium were not reported. All are included with Heaton Park on the latest routing, as is Croke Park in Dublin.
Those looking for hints at the potential for success outside the UK and Ireland can look to an early set of South American shows in 2009. Though largely in arenas — many of which were under 10,000-cap — the band did play a few stadiums. Oasis drew 36,216 to Estadio Monumental — better known as River Plate Stadium — in Buenos Aires, Argentina, May 3, 2009, grossing $1.4 million. That followed an April 30 show at the National Stadium in Lima, Peru, which grossed $1.6 million on 41,729 tickets, according to Pollstar Boxoffice reports.
The band toured the U.S. arenas the year before, selling out Madison Square Garden for a $777,050 gross on 15,200 tickets.
It’s most successful American tour was likely 2005’s “Don’t Believe The Truth Tour,” which included a 19,900-ticket sellout at the Xfinity Center in Mansfield, Massachusetts — that’s the highest-reported ticket total for an American Oasis show — on June 24, grossing $502,942; that’s a now-quaint average price of $26. The band had a near sell-out of the Hollywood Bowl that year as well, grossing $846,688 on 16,574 tickets; that’s the band highest reported gross stateside.
All told, Oasis has sold 959,791 tickets on 105 headline reports submitted to the Pollstar Boxoffice (noting, of course, the stadium shows from 2009 went unreported), grossing more than $46 million.
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Post by Parka Flames on Aug 31, 2024 16:33:53 GMT -5
How high is Wembley Stadium? Wondering if I should get a few mates to each chuck in £350 to rent a cherry picker for the evening...
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Post by themanwithnoname on Aug 31, 2024 16:42:04 GMT -5
The dynamic pricing is a fucking disgrace. Shame on Noel and Liam - so-called band of the people, what a joke. A cash grab, pure and simple. They could have done it another way.
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Post by queenblougaredoc on Aug 31, 2024 16:43:12 GMT -5
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Post by Sadie on Aug 31, 2024 16:52:51 GMT -5
The dynamic pricing is a fucking disgrace. Shame on Noel and Liam - so-called band of the people, what a joke. A cash grab, pure and simple. They could have done it another way. I don't mean to sound naive and please do correct me if I'm wrong, but they personally wouldn't have had anything to do with it, right? Surely the promoters are to blame for that |
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Post by queenblougaredoc on Aug 31, 2024 16:52:57 GMT -5
Anyone still trying to get tickets?
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Post by defmaybe00 on Aug 31, 2024 16:53:50 GMT -5
Agreed and I'm glad they’re not doing it in Italy (yet), just saying it's got more to do with Ticketmasters than Oasis specifically am sure the artist can opt out of it. If not then obv 100% is ticketmaster My view is they sold 1.3 million tickets today with a potential 14 million demand.. but lets say thats 4 million realistically with people using multiple devices, tabs, friendship groups all going for same tickets.. but either way surely ALL tickets were in high demand not many acts sell 1.3 million in less than 24 hours.. so why wait until the gigs basically sold out just to rinse the people still desperate for a ticket. They know it wouldn't fly from 1 hour in so waited until 5 hours in. They know its wrong but just do it enough where the can take advantage of the most desperate who's not yet got a ticket and not have everyone complaining about it as most tickets already been sold Let's put it this way: I'm more glad when artists themselves intervene than angry when they don't It's not their job, that's what management and booking agencies are for, and I'm pretty sure 99% of the time they're not even aware of what goes on I'm not sure if they could opt out, some people said other bands did so maybe yes? But then you could argue without dynamic pricing person number 374838 in the queue would have found the gig to be sold out already It's capitalism at its shittiest, but to be honest standard prices already are, I don't think we can go back here |
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Post by Marissa on Aug 31, 2024 16:56:26 GMT -5
Could be a good idea to create a section on this forum for ticket exchange? (Always face value) Yes please! Hoping to trade my GA Wembley night one for a seat! |
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Post by crisppacket on Aug 31, 2024 17:06:49 GMT -5
Fuck ticketmaster, fuck see tickets and fuck gigs & tours
I will find a way to see Oasis for the first time next year if it’s the last thing I do no thanks to those vaginas !!!!
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Post by PepsiNebula on Aug 31, 2024 17:09:51 GMT -5
Ah, the smell of capitalism 👃🏻 But this is the price you eventually pay for all those sneaky little illegal downloads you’ve made throughout your life. Yousendit. You pay for it. (Not you specifically - but our generation.) Nah. These sites would be doing this regardless. This isn't some kind of karmic justice, or even practical cause and effect. It's just greed. |
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Post by jaq515 on Aug 31, 2024 17:10:06 GMT -5
am sure the artist can opt out of it. If not then obv 100% is ticketmaster My view is they sold 1.3 million tickets today with a potential 14 million demand.. but lets say thats 4 million realistically with people using multiple devices, tabs, friendship groups all going for same tickets.. but either way surely ALL tickets were in high demand not many acts sell 1.3 million in less than 24 hours.. so why wait until the gigs basically sold out just to rinse the people still desperate for a ticket. They know it wouldn't fly from 1 hour in so waited until 5 hours in. They know its wrong but just do it enough where the can take advantage of the most desperate who's not yet got a ticket and not have everyone complaining about it as most tickets already been sold Let's put it this way: I'm more glad when artists themselves intervene than angry when they don't It's not their job, that's what management and booking agencies are for, and I'm pretty sure 99% of the time they're not even aware of what goes on I'm not sure if they could opt out, some people said other bands did so maybe yes? But then you could argue without dynamic pricing person number 374838 in the queue would have found the gig to be sold out already It's capitalism at its shittiest, but to be honest standard prices already are, I don't think we can go back here id say in this specific instance its not a naive band that doesn't know what's going on im sure both Liams and noels mgt individually and Liam and noel personally are fully up on every part single part of every deal thats being signed for this reunion. That argument off if the 374838 be sold out hold no water as surely the aim is to sell out the gig. The gig sold out so they dont go thats just luck. But if dynamic pricing allows them to get ticket as others can't afford it and if thats ok then surely touting is ok. If a tout doesn't sell that ticket then that person doest go also ? Which is what the whole twickets thing is trying to stop which oasis been massively pushing If you want capitalism you have a back standing at 150 for 1/2 the gig and standing at 350 for the front half. They do front and back sections in different countries. But advertise it like that open and honestly then people can complain or not be able to afford a ticket but they know where they stand vs sat in a queue for hours on end to be given a made up price which they then cant afford |
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Post by walterglass on Aug 31, 2024 17:12:06 GMT -5
Ah, the smell of capitalism 👃🏻 But this is the price you eventually pay for all those sneaky little illegal downloads you’ve made throughout your life. Yousendit. You pay for it. (Not you specifically - but our generation.) Nah. These sites would be doing this regardless. This isn't some kind of karmic justice, or even practical cause and effect. It's just greed. I think the band have signed off on this. |
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Post by shannee on Aug 31, 2024 17:15:28 GMT -5
Well dynamic pricing is a way of life in the US so frankly if it surprised you, you’re lucky. You try to buy tickets here and TM has the dynamic pricing on the second the tickets go on sale. It’s the reason I’ve never had good seats for Noel in the US they’re 350-500 each. Looked at tickets for Billy Joel and McCartney for parents at stadiums 500$ to get in the door.
So I agree it completely sucks but blaming the band for it is out of line imo. Only bands I’ve seen get around it are the cure and Foos. Oasis had a ballot which was an amazing chance to beat the crowd and it was only probably the last 10% of tickets that got jacked up.
——Reminder about 10 days ago Oasis didn’t even exist!
I’m sure we’ll see a ton of fan resale over the next year.
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Post by mad4it1982 on Aug 31, 2024 17:16:06 GMT -5
I'm still in the queue been over 15hrs. Just another 763,976 to go. I think I may have a chance😆
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Post by GlastoEls on Aug 31, 2024 17:17:34 GMT -5
I'm still in the queue been over 15hrs. Just another 763,976 to go. I think I may have a chance😆 I'm still getting out the car park at Knebworth! |
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