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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Feb 15, 2018 20:22:18 GMT -5
I really don’t give a shit about guns. I don’t own one, nor do I want one. Of course I think to own one you need to have strict background checks, I agree that you don’t want to make it easy for criminals to get their hands on them - but if they are determined enough, they will find ways around it. Let’s assume that Florida had strict gun regulations. Are you really, seriously telling me that Nikolas Cruz wouldn’t have carried out the exact same attack, or something of equal magnitude? Of course he would have. It’s about catching the warning signs early. He was known as a direct threat.... www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/world/americas/mass-shootings-us-international.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=curI think this article debunks what you've been putting forward so far although to a lot of people it will only be stating the very bloody obvious. I know you won't respond to this but you should take a look in any case. Also The NY Times article doesn’t debunk anything I said. I didn’t blame mental health, nor did I blame video games. My approach has been talking about implementing strategies for society to catch these individuals prior to any type of attack. Whereas your strategy is trying to eliminate one type of weaponry from being used in an attack - which, at this point, with all the hundreds of millions of guns in circulation is impossible. Which is the better approach? Mine. Because its focus is the direct cause, instead of one of the means of attack. If you think gun laws would have stopped Cruz from any type of mass murder, you are delusional.
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Post by bringmethemonkey on Feb 15, 2018 21:04:25 GMT -5
Is there any restriction on buying ammunition?
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on Feb 15, 2018 21:13:23 GMT -5
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Feb 15, 2018 21:18:03 GMT -5
And still no coherent argument of how to get guns off the black market, or from people stealing them from those who have obtained them legally. War on Guns equate to War on Drugs. Drugs aren’t the problem, nor are guns. Both are societal issues. Stop ignoring that. You didn't read the article then... If you ask Cruz why he killed 17 people, his answer will not be "Because I had access to a gun." Ergo, the gun is not the cause. The gun is just a means to an end. If the gun is not the cause, then simply tightening gun control is not the solution. Lawyered.
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Post by janedoe on Feb 15, 2018 22:34:33 GMT -5
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Feb 15, 2018 22:39:39 GMT -5
And still no coherent argument of how to get guns off the black market, or from people stealing them from those who have obtained them legally. War on Guns equate to War on Drugs. Drugs aren’t the problem, nor are guns. Both are societal issues. Stop ignoring that. You didn't read the article then... What do we do with terrorists? We try to understand what causes people to become militarized. We look for warning signs. We bust up cells when they become known. There are thousands of "terrorism experts" studying the concept, understanding the root causes and learning security strategies that become stronger with every passing year. What we don't do is say that the IED or hijacked airplane is the cause. The IED or hijacked airplane, just as the guns in school shootings, are a means to an end. Understanding why people twist religion to fight countless wars and wage "jihad" is the way we begin to combat the problem. Blaming the weapon of choice that the deranged use solves absolutely nothing. Understanding the criminal psyche and getting to the actual root of the problem is the only way forward.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 23:45:01 GMT -5
My car heater is broken and it's -10c outside. My job is to drive 4-7 hours per night in that car.
Fun. Can't even see out of the side windows coz they get frozen from inside.
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on Feb 16, 2018 0:08:26 GMT -5
Someone's not going to be happy Sunday......I feel for you mate.
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Post by bringmethemonkey on Feb 16, 2018 0:17:26 GMT -5
My car heater is broken and it's -10c outside. My job is to drive 4-7 hours per night in that car. Fun. Can't even see out of the side windows coz they get frozen from inside. How you going to cope? You need a little heater you can run off the cigarette lighter....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 0:28:55 GMT -5
My car heater is broken and it's -10c outside. My job is to drive 4-7 hours per night in that car. Fun. Can't even see out of the side windows coz they get frozen from inside. How you going to cope? You need a little heater you can run off the cigarette lighter.... I had warm clothes
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Post by bringmethemonkey on Feb 16, 2018 0:30:44 GMT -5
I watched a documentary on the flix today about people with strange names. My favourite was Al Dente.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Feb 16, 2018 0:46:04 GMT -5
How you going to cope? You need a little heater you can run off the cigarette lighter.... I had warm clothes My ‘little heater’ is ca....I’m going to stop right there.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Feb 16, 2018 1:11:06 GMT -5
Mental health is of course the most important problem in cases like this, but the accessibility to weapons is what makes it easier to do it. Thinking it is one thing, but actually going out and killing people is another.
Of course guns are a hugh problem. Look at how many shootings there are in America. Also you can kill much more people in a short time by using a gun than by kniving them. The chance people might stop you when you have a gun in your hands is much smaller than when you have a knife.
It's a huge problem. I mean, how many cases are there of a toddler accidentally shooting one of their family members because "oops daddy left his gun on the table..but not on purpose!" I find it ridiculous that it's so easy to obtain a gun over there. It's something I can't fathom and which I strongly disagree with. The only people allowed to have guns should be higher authorities like the police etc. IMO.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Feb 16, 2018 1:52:01 GMT -5
Of course guns are a hugh problem. Look at how many shootings there are in America. Also you can kill much more people in a short time by using a gun than by kniving them. The chance people might stop you when you have a gun in your hands is much smaller than when you have a knife. That argument is absolutely irrelevant and completly misses the point. Let's assume, for a second, that Cruz was not able to find a gun. With his anger, angst, and delusions he would almost certainly have still gone on a killing spree: Homemade bombs, IED, acid, poison, knives, the choices are endless. The left's rationale to that is: Well, knives would kill less than a semi-automatic weapon. Yes. But because the root of the problem wasn't identified, investigated, and/or intervened he still would have killed. My entire point to all of this is avoiding any and all types of murder and that can only be done by correctly identifying the problem and looking at the corresponding solutions. No where in any of my posts have I talked about the second amendment. Nowhere in my posts have I discussed the right to bear arms. Why? Because that, too, is irrelevant to this debate. If you want to prevent mass murder, the socio-economic causes need to be understood and addressed. Failing that, all of this will continue to occur.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Feb 16, 2018 2:00:59 GMT -5
Of course guns are a hugh problem. Look at how many shootings there are in America. Also you can kill much more people in a short time by using a gun than by kniving them. The chance people might stop you when you have a gun in your hands is much smaller than when you have a knife. That reminds me of this thought experiment: Would you kill one person to save five -- theconversation.com/the-trolley-dilemma-would-you-kill-one-person-to-save-five-57111
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Post by mimmihopps on Feb 16, 2018 2:04:51 GMT -5
You didn't read the article then... If you ask Cruz why he killed 17 people, his answer will not be "Because I had access to a gun." Ergo, the gun is not the cause. The gun is just a means to an end. If the gun is not the cause, then simply tightening gun control is not the solution. Lawyered. Wrong.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Feb 16, 2018 2:07:49 GMT -5
If you ask Cruz why he killed 17 people, his answer will not be "Because I had access to a gun." Ergo, the gun is not the cause. The gun is just a means to an end. If the gun is not the cause, then simply tightening gun control is not the solution. Lawyered. Wrong. You're telling me that the solution to school shootings is tightening gun regulations? Please, tell me how one of 300,000,000 guns that are in currently in circulation in the United States does not end up in one sick, twisted, yet disturbingly and criminally determined individual's hands. Good luck with that. Reform comes from families. From parents. From teachers. From coaches. From psychiatrists. From friends. From peers. From Law Enforcement. Society needs to look inward. Blaming a weapon is beyond futile.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Feb 16, 2018 2:14:01 GMT -5
I just love the self-righteousness from other countries. The UK loves to criticize the US' health care, but the NHS is a failing system. The UK loves to criticize the US for gun policy, yet its knife and acid crimes are steadily increasing. The UK loves to criticize the US for its foreign policy, yet it's Britain that is ripe with radical extremism. You want to know why knife crime in England is rising? The same reason school shootings happen in the US. The root problems are not being addressed. All that has changed is the weapon of choice. That's not progressive, but rather stagnancy at best.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Feb 16, 2018 2:40:00 GMT -5
Knife crime is an epidemic. Do we care enough to look for a cure? www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/30/knife-crime-epidemic-cross-government-programme-violenceLook for a cure? The knife is to blame, mate. *rolls eyes* As long as you vilify the weapon, and ignore the root cause, nothing will change. This article is spot on. Liberals in the United States could learn something.... "But ultimately we need to treat this as an epidemic and cut it off at source. Violence breeds violence. Mental health, social media, youth services, education and poverty are all part of the problem and we need to decide if we care enough to act. How much do we really value these young lives?"
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Post by globe on Feb 16, 2018 3:35:12 GMT -5
I just love the self-righteousness from other countries. The UK loves to criticize the US' health care, but the NHS is a failing system. The UK loves to criticize the US for gun policy, yet its knife and acid crimes are steadily increasing. The UK loves to criticize the US for its foreign policy, yet it's Britain that is ripe with radical extremism. You want to know why knife crime in England is rising? The same reason school shootings happen in the US. The root problems are not being addressed. All that has changed is the weapon of choice. That's not progressive, but rather stagnancy at best. Delete your account.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 3:50:28 GMT -5
After the Dunblane school shooting in 96, gun laws were rapidly changed and theres no been a school shooting ever since that in the UK. If you think that "tightening gun laws won't work" then there's 22 year proof that they have.
Heartbroken reading about Florida.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 3:51:56 GMT -5
I just love the self-righteousness from other countries. The UK loves to criticize the US' health care, but the NHS is a failing system. The UK loves to criticize the US for gun policy, yet its knife and acid crimes are steadily increasing. The UK loves to criticize the US for its foreign policy, yet it's Britain that is ripe with radical extremism. You want to know why knife crime in England is rising? The same reason school shootings happen in the US. The root problems are not being addressed. All that has changed is the weapon of choice. That's not progressive, but rather stagnancy at best. youre at it btw
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Feb 16, 2018 3:56:52 GMT -5
I just love the self-righteousness from other countries. The UK loves to criticize the US' health care, but the NHS is a failing system. The UK loves to criticize the US for gun policy, yet its knife and acid crimes are steadily increasing. The UK loves to criticize the US for its foreign policy, yet it's Britain that is ripe with radical extremism. You want to know why knife crime in England is rising? The same reason school shootings happen in the US. The root problems are not being addressed. All that has changed is the weapon of choice. That's not progressive, but rather stagnancy at best. youre at it btw Just entering the discussion. It would feel so empty without me...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 4:15:49 GMT -5
Just entering the discussion. It would feel so empty without me... fuck up eminem
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 4:23:02 GMT -5
Ummm Let It Bleed aka Let It Bleed thanks for the 39 likes in one hit you nutter
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