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Post by tomlivesforever on Feb 15, 2018 3:45:55 GMT -5
It actually makes me rage, this is the 18th school shooting this year! "Since 2013, there have been 291 reported school shootings in America, which averages out to about one per week" I mean what the fuck. And what will happen? They'll be some candle lit vigils followed by Republicans saying that teachers need to armed. US gun laws are a total shit show, all those young people dead because you think the fedral government will usurp your rights or some bollocks, utterly pathetic. It has to stop. Warning sign after warning sign after warning sign: www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article200126034.htmlBanning guns doesn’t fix the issue. Does banning drugs stop the usage of drugs? No. Exactly. It’s a societal problem, not a weaponry problem.If guns are harder to get it does make attacks with guns less likely? Thought that was obvious. Genie is out of the bottle in the US and the NRA have your arses over a barrel. Its both.
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Post by funhouse on Feb 15, 2018 3:47:55 GMT -5
It actually makes me rage, this is the 18th school shooting this year! "Since 2013, there have been 291 reported school shootings in America, which averages out to about one per week" I mean what the fuck. And what will happen? They'll be some candle lit vigils followed by Republicans saying that teachers need to armed. US gun laws are a total shit show, all those young people dead because you think the fedral government will usurp your rights or some bollocks, utterly pathetic. It has to stop. But there would be even more shootings if they let any immigrants in! .....
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Post by funhouse on Feb 15, 2018 3:49:35 GMT -5
It actually makes me rage, this is the 18th school shooting this year! "Since 2013, there have been 291 reported school shootings in America, which averages out to about one per week" I mean what the fuck. And what will happen? They'll be some candle lit vigils followed by Republicans saying that teachers need to armed. US gun laws are a total shit show, all those young people dead because you think the fedral government will usurp your rights or some bollocks, utterly pathetic. It has to stop. Warning sign after warning sign after warning sign: www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article200126034.htmlBanning guns doesn’t fix the issue. Does banning drugs stop the usage of drugs? No. Exactly. It’s a societal problem, not a weaponry problem. Proper background checks isn't the same thing as banning guns.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Feb 15, 2018 3:52:36 GMT -5
It actually makes me rage, this is the 18th school shooting this year! "Since 2013, there have been 291 reported school shootings in America, which averages out to about one per week" I mean what the fuck. And what will happen? They'll be some candle lit vigils followed by Republicans saying that teachers need to armed. US gun laws are a total shit show, all those young people dead because you think the fedral government will usurp your rights or some bollocks, utterly pathetic. It has to stop. Two acid attacks in the UK every day: www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/acid-attacks-uk-highest-world-figures-police-revealed-a8098236.htmlRising knife crime in the UK: www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-42749089With 80 stabbing deaths in London alone in 2017: www.google.com/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/london-stabbings-new-years-eve-killed-murder-number-2017-knife-attacks-met-police-enfield-tulse-hill-a8137836.html%3FampIf a person is hell bent on homicide, he will find a way - guns or no guns. The point is moot. Oh, and please tell me how you control guns when so many are already on the black market? Until we understand the root cause of these attacks, they will forever continue regardless of weaponry. And, quite frankly, this kid should have been stopped well in advance but once again people turned a blind eye to all the warning signs. But yeah, let’s blame the weapon and politicize the hell out of it. Again. I don't think anyone here would claim the UK was perfect but the comparison you are trying to make breaks down when confronted with the figures relative to population. Your solution is just say it would happen anyway? The point is not moot, if you think 17 people would have died if he was using a knife then you are quite mistaken.
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Post by funhouse on Feb 15, 2018 3:57:10 GMT -5
It actually makes me rage, this is the 18th school shooting this year! "Since 2013, there have been 291 reported school shootings in America, which averages out to about one per week" I mean what the fuck. And what will happen? They'll be some candle lit vigils followed by Republicans saying that teachers need to armed. US gun laws are a total shit show, all those young people dead because you think the fedral government will usurp your rights or some bollocks, utterly pathetic. It has to stop. Two acid attacks in the UK every day: www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/acid-attacks-uk-highest-world-figures-police-revealed-a8098236.htmlRising knife crime in the UK: www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-42749089With 80 stabbing deaths in London alone in 2017: www.google.com/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/london-stabbings-new-years-eve-killed-murder-number-2017-knife-attacks-met-police-enfield-tulse-hill-a8137836.html%3FampIf a person is hell bent on homicide, he will find a way - guns or no guns. The point is moot. Oh, and please tell me how you control guns when so many are already on the black market? Until we understand the root cause of these attacks, they will forever continue regardless of weaponry. And, quite frankly, this kid should have been stopped well in advance but once again people turned a blind eye to all the warning signs. But yeah, let’s blame the weapon and politicize the hell out of it. Again. How the fuck can you compare guns to any of those other weapons? A guy with a gun can kill about 50 people in a worst case scenario, if the guy has a knife he CAN'T kill as many. If you don't see the difference between a gun and a knife, I can't help you. How about caring about the mental health issue and keeping track of potential lunatics, and ALSO caring about trying to fix America's obvious gun problem. All you did now was turning the attention away from the most important issue, and start blabbering about "they should have stopped him instead". Sad and pathetic. Edit: At least your boy Donald cares as much about the mental health aspect as you do. www.google.se/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/amp/trump-signs-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-n727221
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Post by janedoe on Feb 15, 2018 6:03:26 GMT -5
How the fuck can you compare guns to any of those other weapons? A guy with a gun can kill about 50 people in a worst case scenario, if the guy has a knife he CAN'T kill as many. If you don't see the difference between a gun and a knife, I can't help you. How about caring about the mental health issue and keeping track of potential lunatics, and ALSO caring about trying to fix America's obvious gun problem. All you did now was turning the attention away from the most important issue, and start blabbering about "they should have stopped him instead". Sad and pathetic. Edit: At least your boy Donald cares as much about the mental health aspect as you do. www.google.se/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/amp/trump-signs-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-n727221
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on Feb 15, 2018 9:44:24 GMT -5
Tony Le Beller realizing Bazire was going to win on Defi De Retz: That's it, I'm out! #55wins #JMBrecordholder
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 10:06:54 GMT -5
It actually makes me rage, this is the 18th school shooting this year! "Since 2013, there have been 291 reported school shootings in America, which averages out to about one per week" I mean what the fuck. And what will happen? They'll be some candle lit vigils followed by Republicans saying that teachers need to armed. US gun laws are a total shit show, all those young people dead because you think the fedral government will usurp your rights or some bollocks, utterly pathetic. It has to stop. Warning sign after warning sign after warning sign: www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article200126034.htmlBanning guns doesn’t fix the issue. Does banning drugs stop the usage of drugs? No. Exactly. It’s a societal problem, not a weaponry problem. I find it funny that the US are strictly against drug use (at least used to be) but in the meanwhile they're literally praising guns, which are invented to KILL other people. Maybe they shouldn't ban guns but they MUST tighten their restrictions for gun ownership. Every fucking psycho can buy guns in that country and it's a fucking joke. Sadly it's hard to fix the problem since there are so many guns in circulation. Banning guns works in Europe but since there are so many guns in America it's impossible to really take them away from people... I really don't know if I should laugh or cry when I read these incidents: How is this even possible
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Feb 15, 2018 13:00:14 GMT -5
How the fuck can you compare guns to any of those other weapons? A guy with a gun can kill about 50 people in a worst case scenario, if the guy has a knife he CAN'T kill as many. If you don't see the difference between a gun and a knife, I can't help you. How about caring about the mental health issue and keeping track of potential lunatics, and ALSO caring about trying to fix America's obvious gun problem. All you did now was turning the attention away from the most important issue, and start blabbering about "they should have stopped him instead". Sad and pathetic. Edit: At least your boy Donald cares as much about the mental health aspect as you do. www.google.se/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/amp/trump-signs-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-n727221Actually, the mentally ill are statistically the least dangerous population. I’m all for gun regulation but it does not solve this issue. And I still haven’t heard one coherent argument of how to get guns off he black market. If you’re hell bent on murder, you will undoubtably find ways.
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Post by jxing on Feb 15, 2018 14:03:49 GMT -5
How the fuck can you compare guns to any of those other weapons? A guy with a gun can kill about 50 people in a worst case scenario, if the guy has a knife he CAN'T kill as many. If you don't see the difference between a gun and a knife, I can't help you. How about caring about the mental health issue and keeping track of potential lunatics, and ALSO caring about trying to fix America's obvious gun problem. All you did now was turning the attention away from the most important issue, and start blabbering about "they should have stopped him instead". Sad and pathetic. Edit: At least your boy Donald cares as much about the mental health aspect as you do. www.google.se/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/amp/trump-signs-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-n727221Actually, the mentally ill are statistically the least dangerous population. I’m all for gun regulation but it does not solve this issue. And I still haven’t heard one coherent argument of how to get guns off he black market. If you’re hell bent on murder, you will undoubtably find ways. Didn't he have smoke grenades and history of searching on how to make bombs? so, while I support some gun control... I'm concerned that he could have used an even more lethal weapon. Also, many will criticize this but I do believe that pop culture (movies, music, tv, video games) have influenced the youth by glorifying drugs, violence, and guns. I don't remember these things being so blatant in the '70s and '80s. I also believe that there is huge problem with parents not taking responsibility for their kids... yes, this guy lost his parents but if parents were held criminally responsible then maybe it would force them to be more aware of their kids behavior. It's all very disgusting and preventable and i wish that it was as simple as making a gun illegal but I'm afraid it's much more complicated and is lots of different things & people to blame besides just guns.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 14:40:19 GMT -5
Liverpool did not only leave 5 goals in Porto, they also left the fucking English weather.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Feb 15, 2018 15:04:16 GMT -5
Actually, the mentally ill are statistically the least dangerous population. I’m all for gun regulation but it does not solve this issue. And I still haven’t heard one coherent argument of how to get guns off he black market. If you’re hell bent on murder, you will undoubtably find ways. Didn't he have smoke grenades and history of searching on how to make bombs? so, while I support some gun control... I'm concerned that he could have used an even more lethal weapon. Also, many will criticize this but I do believe that pop culture (movies, music, tv, video games) have influenced the youth by glorifying drugs, violence, and guns. I don't remember these things being so blatant in the '70s and '80s. I also believe that there is huge problem with parents not taking responsibility for their kids... yes, this guy lost his parents but if parents were held criminally responsible then maybe it would force them to be more aware of their kids behavior. It's all very disgusting and preventable and i wish that it was as simple as making a gun illegal but I'm afraid it's much more complicated and is lots of different things & people to blame besides just guns. It should also be federal law that requires every teacher to partake in a safety class prior to each school year to not only train them on what to do in an active shooting scenario, but also to teach them on the warning signs and for them to be legally responsible to report students who they feel are a safety concern to themselves or others. No one randomly wakes up one day and thinks to shoot up a school. These incidents don’t happen in isolation. Parents, teachers, friends, peers, coaches, other adults, etc are always aware on some level and have a legal responsibility to intervene. Ban guns? There’s always the black market or stealing parents’ guns. Ban guns? There’s manuels all over the internet about how to build a homemade bomb. Schools are “gun free zones.” Does that hippy liberal law prevent it? Of course not. Criminals, by the very definition, don’t abide by the fucking law.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Feb 15, 2018 15:27:44 GMT -5
Didn't he have smoke grenades and history of searching on how to make bombs? so, while I support some gun control... I'm concerned that he could have used an even more lethal weapon. Also, many will criticize this but I do believe that pop culture (movies, music, tv, video games) have influenced the youth by glorifying drugs, violence, and guns. I don't remember these things being so blatant in the '70s and '80s. I also believe that there is huge problem with parents not taking responsibility for their kids... yes, this guy lost his parents but if parents were held criminally responsible then maybe it would force them to be more aware of their kids behavior. It's all very disgusting and preventable and i wish that it was as simple as making a gun illegal but I'm afraid it's much more complicated and is lots of different things & people to blame besides just guns. It should also be federal law that requires every teacher to partake in a safety class prior to each school year to not only train them on what to do in an active shooting scenario, but also to teach them on the warning signs and for them to be legally responsible to report students who they feel are a safety concern to themselves or others. No one randomly wakes up one day and thinks to shoot up a school. These incidents don’t happen in isolation. Parents, teachers, friends, peers, coaches, other adults, etc are always aware on some level and have a legal responsibility to intervene. Ban guns? There’s always the black market or stealing parents’ guns. Ban guns? There’s manuels all over the internet about how to build a homemade bomb. Schools are “gun free zones.” Does that hippy liberal law prevent it? Of course not. Criminals, by the very definition, don’t abide by the fucking law. What we really need is more civilians armed with military weapons.... Just kidding. Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 15:42:46 GMT -5
The whole concept of this easiness to buy guns is something i cannot fathom in my country. Many things might happen here but a guy with proven mental health issues being allowed to buy guns, and how the fuck he can even pass school security to do what he did is even more mind-blowing.
But then i remember i´m talking about the country who claims to be the most progressive of them all and has a constitution that is like 300 years old and has so much out of touch stuff in it that has not suffered emends to go with times and the gun matter is one of the most critical.
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Post by Manualex on Feb 15, 2018 15:43:12 GMT -5
It should also be federal law that requires every teacher to partake in a safety class prior to each school year to not only train them on what to do in an active shooting scenario, but also to teach them on the warning signs and for them to be legally responsible to report students who they feel are a safety concern to themselves or others. No one randomly wakes up one day and thinks to shoot up a school. These incidents don’t happen in isolation. Parents, teachers, friends, peers, coaches, other adults, etc are always aware on some level and have a legal responsibility to intervene. Ban guns? There’s always the black market or stealing parents’ guns. Ban guns? There’s manuels all over the internet about how to build a homemade bomb. Schools are “gun free zones.” Does that hippy liberal law prevent it? Of course not. Criminals, by the very definition, don’t abide by the fucking law. What we really need is more civilians armed with military weapons.... Just kidding. Thanks. Just put Kevlar in everything and your schools will be fine.
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Post by funhouse on Feb 15, 2018 16:06:57 GMT -5
How the fuck can you compare guns to any of those other weapons? A guy with a gun can kill about 50 people in a worst case scenario, if the guy has a knife he CAN'T kill as many. If you don't see the difference between a gun and a knife, I can't help you. How about caring about the mental health issue and keeping track of potential lunatics, and ALSO caring about trying to fix America's obvious gun problem. All you did now was turning the attention away from the most important issue, and start blabbering about "they should have stopped him instead". Sad and pathetic. Edit: At least your boy Donald cares as much about the mental health aspect as you do. www.google.se/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/amp/trump-signs-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-n727221Actually, the mentally ill are statistically the least dangerous population. I’m all for gun regulation but it does not solve this issue. And I still haven’t heard one coherent argument of how to get guns off he black market. If you’re hell bent on murder, you will undoubtably find ways. So if it doesn't solve anything, why are you for it? And is that why you're annoyed with the gun control debate, because you think the shootings would have happened anyway because they would have purchased them on the black market instead?
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Feb 15, 2018 16:14:57 GMT -5
Actually, the mentally ill are statistically the least dangerous population. I’m all for gun regulation but it does not solve this issue. And I still haven’t heard one coherent argument of how to get guns off he black market. If you’re hell bent on murder, you will undoubtably find ways. So if it doesn't solve anything, why are you for it? And is that why you're annoyed with the gun control debate, because you think the shootings would have happened anyway because they would have purchased them on the black market instead? I really don’t give a shit about guns. I don’t own one, nor do I want one. Of course I think to own one you need to have strict background checks, I agree that you don’t want to make it easy for criminals to get their hands on them - but if they are determined enough, they will find ways around it. Let’s assume that Florida had strict gun regulations. Are you really, seriously telling me that Nikolas Cruz wouldn’t have carried out the exact same attack, or something of equal magnitude? Of course he would have. It’s about catching the warning signs early. He was known as a direct threat....
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Post by Let It Bleed on Feb 15, 2018 16:20:07 GMT -5
What we really need is more civilians armed with military weapons.... Just kidding. Thanks. Just put Kevlar in everything and your schools will be fine. Hopefully Trump's border wall will protect Americans from being killed by other Americans.... God bless.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Feb 15, 2018 16:22:10 GMT -5
So if it doesn't solve anything, why are you for it? And is that why you're annoyed with the gun control debate, because you think the shootings would have happened anyway because they would have purchased them on the black market instead? I really don’t give a shit about guns. I don’t own one, nor do I want one. Of course I think to own one you need to have strict background checks, I agree that you don’t want to make it easy for criminals to get their hands on them - but if they are determined enough, they will find ways around it. Let’s assume that Florida had strict gun regulations. Are you really, seriously telling me that Nikolas Cruz wouldn’t have carried out the exact same attack, or something of equal magnitude? Of course he would have. It’s about catching the warning signs early. He was known as a direct threat.... I saw your original post had 'Thomas Cruz'; I think you have Tom Cruise on the brain.... God bless.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Feb 15, 2018 16:22:51 GMT -5
I really don’t give a shit about guns. I don’t own one, nor do I want one. Of course I think to own one you need to have strict background checks, I agree that you don’t want to make it easy for criminals to get their hands on them - but if they are determined enough, they will find ways around it. Let’s assume that Florida had strict gun regulations. Are you really, seriously telling me that Nikolas Cruz wouldn’t have carried out the exact same attack, or something of equal magnitude? Of course he would have. It’s about catching the warning signs early. He was known as a direct threat.... I saw your original post had 'Thomas Cruz'; I think you have Tom Cruise on the brain.... God bless. Hahahaha
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on Feb 15, 2018 16:37:20 GMT -5
So if it doesn't solve anything, why are you for it? And is that why you're annoyed with the gun control debate, because you think the shootings would have happened anyway because they would have purchased them on the black market instead? I really don’t give a shit about guns. I don’t own one, nor do I want one. Of course I think to own one you need to have strict background checks, I agree that you don’t want to make it easy for criminals to get their hands on them - but if they are determined enough, they will find ways around it. Let’s assume that Florida had strict gun regulations. Are you really, seriously telling me that Nikolas Cruz wouldn’t have carried out the exact same attack, or something of equal magnitude? Of course he would have. It’s about catching the warning signs early. He was known as a direct threat.... He wouldn't have had an AR 15. The last two major shooting s in Australia (Bankstown lawyer who knew too much and a guy who was mindfucked to copy Islamic state) both were pistols. Not AR15's.
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Post by funhouse on Feb 15, 2018 17:05:22 GMT -5
So if it doesn't solve anything, why are you for it? And is that why you're annoyed with the gun control debate, because you think the shootings would have happened anyway because they would have purchased them on the black market instead? I really don’t give a shit about guns. I don’t own one, nor do I want one. Of course I think to own one you need to have strict background checks, I agree that you don’t want to make it easy for criminals to get their hands on them - but if they are determined enough, they will find ways around it. Let’s assume that Florida had strict gun regulations. Are you really, seriously telling me that Nikolas Cruz wouldn’t have carried out the exact same attack, or something of equal magnitude? Of course he would have. It’s about catching the warning signs early. He was known as a direct threat.... School shootings wouldn't stop, but I think they would decrease. These lunatics can be different from each other. Some would maybe be too paranoid to try to get it illegally, scared that they will get caught or whatever. It may be too inconvenient, and they end up getting knives instead. Some wouldnt give a shit and would try to get a gun in every way that they could. Possibly this Cruz guy. Obviously that is also an extremely important part. It's not like anyone is against keeping track of these potential shooters, or at least I haven't heard any of those people.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Feb 15, 2018 20:00:15 GMT -5
So if it doesn't solve anything, why are you for it? And is that why you're annoyed with the gun control debate, because you think the shootings would have happened anyway because they would have purchased them on the black market instead? I really don’t give a shit about guns. I don’t own one, nor do I want one. Of course I think to own one you need to have strict background checks, I agree that you don’t want to make it easy for criminals to get their hands on them - but if they are determined enough, they will find ways around it. Let’s assume that Florida had strict gun regulations. Are you really, seriously telling me that Nikolas Cruz wouldn’t have carried out the exact same attack, or something of equal magnitude? Of course he would have. It’s about catching the warning signs early. He was known as a direct threat.... www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/world/americas/mass-shootings-us-international.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=curI think this article debunks what you've been putting forward so far although to a lot of people it will only be stating the very bloody obvious. I know you won't respond to this but you should take a look in any case.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Feb 15, 2018 20:13:06 GMT -5
I really don’t give a shit about guns. I don’t own one, nor do I want one. Of course I think to own one you need to have strict background checks, I agree that you don’t want to make it easy for criminals to get their hands on them - but if they are determined enough, they will find ways around it. Let’s assume that Florida had strict gun regulations. Are you really, seriously telling me that Nikolas Cruz wouldn’t have carried out the exact same attack, or something of equal magnitude? Of course he would have. It’s about catching the warning signs early. He was known as a direct threat.... www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/world/americas/mass-shootings-us-international.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=curI think this article debunks what you've been putting forward so far although to a lot of people it will only be stating the very bloody obvious. I know you won't respond to this but you should take a look in any case. And still no coherent argument of how to get guns off the black market, or from people stealing them from those who have obtained them legally. War on Guns equate to War on Drugs. Drugs aren’t the problem, nor are guns. Both are societal issues. Stop ignoring that.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Feb 15, 2018 20:18:59 GMT -5
And still no coherent argument of how to get guns off the black market, or from people stealing them from those who have obtained them legally. War on Guns equate to War on Drugs. Drugs aren’t the problem, nor are guns. Both are societal issues. Stop ignoring that. You didn't read the article then...
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