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Post by mimmihopps on May 27, 2024 4:17:02 GMT -5
Here's a new thread for keeping these discussions going without derailing other threads. Thanks. Thanks for taking care of it, carlober.
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Post by The Chief on May 27, 2024 6:21:56 GMT -5
What are you talking about? I'm not talking about opinions that I do not like. I'm talking about bullshit that is either blatantly false, anti-scientific or misogynistic. There's no value to be found in that kind of stuff. The only value is in the money that these idiots are making thanks to all the fools following their cult. Would you admit that blatantly false, anti-scientific and misogynistic information is also spread via legacy media and governments? If so, why focus your hatred on a podcast host instead of those that actually have some control of your life? I decided to quote this post but what I'm about to write goes for everything you've said in this thread. One of the biggest issues with the Internet is that it's currently opinion driven in both mainstream media and alternative media. With time, people have equated opinion with educated opinion, opinion with the right to believe in any kind of crap simply because it's their right. That includes believing in conspiracies and blatant factually proven lies. These same people will call out those who actually prove that they are wrong or believe in those who prove that they are wrong as being against free speech, against opposing opinions, as wanting to believe the mainstream or follow the narrative, and so on. As laymen, we're all following someone else's opinion. The problem is, not all opinions are equal. If a whole slew of scientists tell us that the earth is round, why believe a guy on YouTube that tells you it's not? Or, take the Covid response. If 99 out of 100 scientists tell you that you need the vaccine and one of the tells you to take Ivermectin, why believe the outlier? Your best bet as a laymen is to believe the majority. That doesn't mean that the majority will be 100% correct 100% of the time. But there are reasons why the outlier is an outlier. Is he profiting off of his divergent opinion? Is he trying to be THE guy that will solve something others didn't solve? Is he taking shortcuts in his research? Is he just an idiot? Because, unless you're willing to go down conspiracy theory rabbit holes, you will find a sensible reason. Keep in mind that, if you can have idiot plumbers, mechanics, politicians and any other profession, you can have idiot doctors and scientists. Now, science and health is very complicated and harder to see with your own eyes. If your mechanic tells you that you need new brakes but two others say they're good for 2 more years and you see that they're in good shape, are you going to change your brakes just because it's a divergent opinion? That's why, for example, you can't believe a headline about ONE study that says X. You need to be able to compare several studies, know the parameters, understand the language and do meta analysis. Either you get the proper credentials to do that or you follow the majority opinion amongst people who actually know what they're talking about. Because, in order to have an opinion on something, you NEED to know what you're talking about. Otherwise, you're just talking shit. Not only do Joe Rogan and Tucker Carlson and all those pricks not know what they're talking about, they KNOW that they don't know what they're talking about. Rogan said so himself, Carlson was discredited by Fox News' own attorney while he was still their star host. Their sole purpose is to make money. Nothing is more profitable than anger, fear and hate. Why? Because, thanks to the Internet and its opinion driven nature, engagement is profit and you can profit from those who agree and those who disagree. In 2000, when someone said something stupid in the newspaper, you had to write an email or a letter and hope it got published. Now, you can comment on Facebook, tweet about it, stitch it on TikTok and you'll get an audience. So, how do they profit from anger? They stir up made up culture wars, promote conspiracy theories as "alternate facts", which is not a thing because a fact is a fact and by definition cannot have alternatives. They create scarecrows and easy targets as scapegoats for all the problems in the world. Then, those they endoctrinate will listen, share, comment, stitch to agree, buy their books, their courses, their coaching, they'll subscribe to their podcasts, Patreons, premium feeds and so on. Those who are appalled will listen, share, comment, stitch to debunk and drive others to buy their books, their courses, their coaching, subscribe to their podcasts, Patreons, premium feeds and so on. It's a win win lose. They win both ways and as a society we lose. Because sadly, humans are lazy. Ironically, those who follow these charlatans will do it without questionning, just because it's a divergent opinion. Then they'll attack those who don't follow these charlatans by saying that they're following the mainstream without questionning. Now, personally, I don't give a rat's ass if one believes the earth is flat. They can even do all the "scientific" proofing they want, it's actually entertaining sometimes. But when someone promotes harmful and dangerous things, then they are a problem. I'm not saying they need to be silenced as this would be a slippery slope. But they should and will be called a dangerous asshole and that will affect their bottom line. That's not cancel culture, that's just people refusing to eat the shit they serve. I probably wrote all of this for nothing as most people who like to have "alternative views" generally like to stick to their views no matter what.
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Post by carlober on May 27, 2024 9:41:05 GMT -5
The Chief, I couldn't have said it better. 100% agree.
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Post by Jake Rawlinson on May 27, 2024 10:51:25 GMT -5
People will call you a conspiracy theorist and then turn on CNN. And what about Hunter Biden’s laptop. You were lied to by the media and government officials - 51 of whom bullshitted a letter stating the laptop was ‘Russian Disinformation.’ Because that was 2020, the laptop story was literally suppressed by Big Tech, and anyone who mentioned it was ridiculed. As it turns out, the laptop legitimately belongs to Hunter and a significant amount of Biden voters would go on to say they wouldn’t have voted for Biden if they knew the truth about the laptop at the time. That’s election interference. You were lied to. And the Russian Collusion nonsense that the media propagated? You were literally lied to. All the Covid lies spread by Fauci (who should be prosecuted), and Biden himself? How many genders are there? What is a man? What is a woman? I could go on…. I hope the war in Vietnam goes on forever and you get drafted! God bless.
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Post by matt on May 27, 2024 12:23:40 GMT -5
Would you admit that blatantly false, anti-scientific and misogynistic information is also spread via legacy media and governments? If so, why focus your hatred on a podcast host instead of those that actually have some control of your life? I decided to quote this post but what I'm about to write goes for everything you've said in this thread. One of the biggest issues with the Internet is that it's currently opinion driven in both mainstream media and alternative media. With time, people have equated opinion with educated opinion, opinion with the right to believe in any kind of crap simply because it's their right. That includes believing in conspiracies and blatant factually proven lies. These same people will call out those who actually prove that they are wrong or believe in those who prove that they are wrong as being against free speech, against opposing opinions, as wanting to believe the mainstream or follow the narrative, and so on. As laymen, we're all following someone else's opinion. The problem is, not all opinions are equal. If a whole slew of scientists tell us that the earth is round, why believe a guy on YouTube that tells you it's not? Or, take the Covid response. If 99 out of 100 scientists tell you that you need the vaccine and one of the tells you to take Ivermectin, why believe the outlier? Your best bet as a laymen is to believe the majority. That doesn't mean that the majority will be 100% correct 100% of the time. But there are reasons why the outlier is an outlier. Is he profiting off of his divergent opinion? Is he trying to be THE guy that will solve something others didn't solve? Is he taking shortcuts in his research? Is he just an idiot? Because, unless you're willing to go down conspiracy theory rabbit holes, you will find a sensible reason. Keep in mind that, if you can have idiot plumbers, mechanics, politicians and any other profession, you can have idiot doctors and scientists. Now, science and health is very complicated and harder to see with your own eyes. If your mechanic tells you that you need new brakes but two others say they're good for 2 more years and you see that they're in good shape, are you going to change your brakes just because it's a divergent opinion? That's why, for example, you can't believe a headline about ONE study that says X. You need to be able to compare several studies, know the parameters, understand the language and do meta analysis. Either you get the proper credentials to do that or you follow the majority opinion amongst people who actually know what they're talking about. Because, in order to have an opinion on something, you NEED to know what you're talking about. Otherwise, you're just talking shit. Not only do Joe Rogan and Tucker Carlson and all those pricks not know what they're talking about, they KNOW that they don't know what they're talking about. Rogan said so himself, Carlson was discredited by Fox News' own attorney while he was still their star host. Their sole purpose is to make money. Nothing is more profitable than anger, fear and hate. Why? Because, thanks to the Internet and its opinion driven nature, engagement is profit and you can profit from those who agree and those who disagree. In 2000, when someone said something stupid in the newspaper, you had to write an email or a letter and hope it got published. Now, you can comment on Facebook, tweet about it, stitch it on TikTok and you'll get an audience. So, how do they profit from anger? They stir up made up culture wars, promote conspiracy theories as "alternate facts", which is not a thing because a fact is a fact and by definition cannot have alternatives. They create scarecrows and easy targets as scapegoats for all the problems in the world. Then, those they endoctrinate will listen, share, comment, stitch to agree, buy their books, their courses, their coaching, they'll subscribe to their podcasts, Patreons, premium feeds and so on. Those who are appalled will listen, share, comment, stitch to debunk and drive others to buy their books, their courses, their coaching, subscribe to their podcasts, Patreons, premium feeds and so on. It's a win win lose. They win both ways and as a society we lose. Because sadly, humans are lazy. Ironically, those who follow these charlatans will do it without questionning, just because it's a divergent opinion. Then they'll attack those who don't follow these charlatans by saying that they're following the mainstream without questionning. Now, personally, I don't give a rat's ass if one believes the earth is flat. They can even do all the "scientific" proofing they want, it's actually entertaining sometimes. But when someone promotes harmful and dangerous things, then they are a problem. I'm not saying they need to be silenced as this would be a slippery slope. But they should and will be called a dangerous asshole and that will affect their bottom line. That's not cancel culture, that's just people refusing to eat the shit they serve. I probably wrote all of this for nothing as most people who like to have "alternative views" generally like to stick to their views no matter what. You articulate everything perfectly and then some, better than I ever could dream of. Bravo. This folks is the final word on the matter.
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Post by matt on May 27, 2024 12:26:50 GMT -5
People will call you a conspiracy theorist and then turn on CNN. And what about Hunter Biden’s laptop. You were lied to by the media and government officials - 51 of whom bullshitted a letter stating the laptop was ‘Russian Disinformation.’ Because that was 2020, the laptop story was literally suppressed by Big Tech, and anyone who mentioned it was ridiculed. As it turns out, the laptop legitimately belongs to Hunter and a significant amount of Biden voters would go on to say they wouldn’t have voted for Biden if they knew the truth about the laptop at the time. That’s election interference. You were lied to. And the Russian Collusion nonsense that the media propagated? You were literally lied to. All the Covid lies spread by Fauci (who should be prosecuted), and Biden himself? How many genders are there? What is a man? What is a woman? I could go on…. This is the problem with you Trump fanatics, very simple binary thinking. You do realise people who hate Trump do not necessarily advocate Biden or even Sanders? Nuance and truth is too complicated for his brain addled support. Blind leading the blind.
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Post by The Chief on May 27, 2024 13:09:21 GMT -5
People will call you a conspiracy theorist and then turn on CNN. And what about Hunter Biden’s laptop. You were lied to by the media and government officials - 51 of whom bullshitted a letter stating the laptop was ‘Russian Disinformation.’ Because that was 2020, the laptop story was literally suppressed by Big Tech, and anyone who mentioned it was ridiculed. As it turns out, the laptop legitimately belongs to Hunter and a significant amount of Biden voters would go on to say they wouldn’t have voted for Biden if they knew the truth about the laptop at the time. That’s election interference. You were lied to. And the Russian Collusion nonsense that the media propagated? You were literally lied to. All the Covid lies spread by Fauci (who should be prosecuted), and Biden himself? How many genders are there? What is a man? What is a woman? I could go on…. This is the problem with you Trump fanatics, very simple binary thinking. You do realise people who hate Trump do not necessarily advocate Biden or even Sanders? Nuance and truth is too complicated for his brain addled support. Blind leading the blind. And most aren't even american and could give a shit about Biden or Sanders. Having a wannabe dictator at the helms of the most powerful country in the world is dangerous for the whole world... especially one that is so obviously dumb
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Post by jeffrey on May 27, 2024 13:59:30 GMT -5
In response to TheChief — there were MAJOR inconsistencies about Covid from the very beginning (its origin, masks, etc). Also, there were flat out lies regarding efficacy of the jabs perpetuated when data never showed it stopped transmission or was 100% effective. I genuinely don’t know a single person who didn’t get the jab that wishes they did; in turn, everyone I know personally who did (other than my 80+ grandmother) are petrified of the potential side effects that are happening and/or wishes they never took it (even people in the medical field). I’m paraphrasing, but you mentioned Rogan making money off of misinformation… These are individuals that offer a voluntary entertainment source, not massive corporations and government that control our lives, who have been caught an incalculable amount of times lying to the public. And not only lying, but doing so at the expense of millions of lives for profit and power. I believe they’re much more evil than the couple of podcasters you’ve mentioned. Are you familiar with semaglutide? It’s a diabetes medication banned in many countries due to the horrific risks, but is being pushed to overweight people and even children in the U.S. as nothing but a weight loss solution. Someone earlier said that the elites run everything and it’s true. They’re all incredibly connected and interwoven into pharma, tech and government. We’re not going to come to any agreement because I see those in power that have consistently manipulated and harmed people/society as the problem, not singular individuals with a podcast.
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on May 27, 2024 14:23:02 GMT -5
In response to TheChief — there were MAJOR inconsistencies about Covid from the very beginning (its origin, masks, etc). Also, there were flat out lies regarding efficacy of the jabs perpetuated when data never showed it stopped transmission or was 100% effective. I genuinely don’t know a single person who didn’t get the jab that wishes they did; in turn, everyone I know personally who did (other than my 80+ grandmother) are petrified of the potential side effects that are happening and/or wishes they never took it (even people in the medical field). I’m paraphrasing, but you mentioned Rogan making money off of misinformation… These are individuals that offer a voluntary entertainment source, not massive corporations and government that control our lives, who have been caught an incalculable amount of times lying to the public. And not only lying, but doing so at the expense of millions of lives for profit and power. I believe they’re much more evil than the couple of podcasters you’ve mentioned. Are you familiar with semaglutide? It’s a diabetes medication banned in many countries due to the horrific risks, but is being pushed to overweight people and even children in the U.S. as nothing but a weight loss solution. Someone earlier said that the elites run everything and it’s true. They’re all incredibly connected and interwoven into pharma, tech and government. We’re not going to come to any agreement because I see those in power that have consistently manipulated and harmed people/society as the problem, not singular individuals with a podcast. Really? I think basically everyone I know had multiple jabs and literally no one has ever raised any concern about side effects. I'm based in the UK btw. I'm certainly pleased I had the jabs I did as my lungs have never been the same since COVID and I'd hate to think how bad they would be had I not had them.
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Post by settingson on May 27, 2024 18:59:55 GMT -5
I may not like certain people or what they stand for, but I ABSOLUTELY support their right to publish content. Podcasts are a form of entertainment, not all-powerful entities that govern all the systems which control our lives. By your logic, humans shouldn’t be allowed to consume film, music, comedy, video games, etc. for the fear that the content may impact thoughts/actions of the individuals that watch and listen. It’s curious to me that the only people you and others identified as threats to humanity are perceived to be conservative. Are dangerous “conspiracy theories” only perpetuated by conservatives or is it that you are so ideologically aligned with one side that you’re unwilling to be objective? Side note: you are aware there are tons of what you identify as conspiracy theories that have been proven true, correct? There’s only one primary conspiracy in the world if you can even all it that (given how it obvious it is). There’s a small group of people with power, wealth and influence committed to expanding or at least maintaining that power, wealth and influence. We are only a pawn in their game as Dylan put it. My Back Pages is his song that's most relevant to this thread imo.
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Post by The Chief on May 28, 2024 6:58:53 GMT -5
In response to TheChief — there were MAJOR inconsistencies about Covid from the very beginning (its origin, masks, etc). Also, there were flat out lies regarding efficacy of the jabs perpetuated when data never showed it stopped transmission or was 100% effective. I genuinely don’t know a single person who didn’t get the jab that wishes they did; in turn, everyone I know personally who did (other than my 80+ grandmother) are petrified of the potential side effects that are happening and/or wishes they never took it (even people in the medical field). I’m paraphrasing, but you mentioned Rogan making money off of misinformation… These are individuals that offer a voluntary entertainment source, not massive corporations and government that control our lives, who have been caught an incalculable amount of times lying to the public. And not only lying, but doing so at the expense of millions of lives for profit and power. I believe they’re much more evil than the couple of podcasters you’ve mentioned. Are you familiar with semaglutide? It’s a diabetes medication banned in many countries due to the horrific risks, but is being pushed to overweight people and even children in the U.S. as nothing but a weight loss solution. Someone earlier said that the elites run everything and it’s true. They’re all incredibly connected and interwoven into pharma, tech and government. We’re not going to come to any agreement because I see those in power that have consistently manipulated and harmed people/society as the problem, not singular individuals with a podcast. This is another mistake you and people like you tend to make. I'm talking about scientists, not the government, not the media, not corporations. If a bunch of scientists say one thing and the government says another, I will disagree with the government. I'm not falling for the corrupt scientists narrative. I'm not saying they don't exist, I just don't believe they are a majority and that the others will remain silent. I think that's absurd. Especially in a world of social media where scientists can talk to people directly. Also, before seeing governments as evil, have you considered Occam's razor? The simplest explanation is often the right one. The people in government are as much laymen as you and I. They try to follow the science and balance out the death toll, the economy, job loss, etc. They are going to fuck up and take bad decisions. As for inconsistencies, don't forget that science changes accordingly to new data, which is how it should be. It's an uncomfortable truth because we don't and can't know everything at all times. Some conspiracy theories tend to give the false impression to solve this issue and make things easy to digest, which is in part why they're chosen by some people as fact. I've noticed that, many times, when one puts their finger in the conspiracy theory gears, they eventually end up out of explanation. That's why many conspiracy theorists end up talking about God and Jesus. Because, when they're out of explanations, the only thing left is something you can't explain or prove... as it's always been the case in human history. Lastly, talking about the impact of Joe Rogan, Tucker Carlson and others like them. Tucker Carlson and the Fox News lot don't sell themselves as entertainers. And when Joe Rogan talks with a bad scientist, the narrative, even if not said directly is "he's a scientist, you can trust him". Therefore, if because of that, just ONE person decides not to protect themselves at all against something like Covid and dies, then they have blood on their hands. I don't care about the rationalization. And no we are not going to agree and I never thought we would. But you've expressed yourself, I've made counterpoints. Freedom of expression is a beautiful thing!
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Post by jeffrey on May 28, 2024 11:13:46 GMT -5
In response to TheChief — there were MAJOR inconsistencies about Covid from the very beginning (its origin, masks, etc). Also, there were flat out lies regarding efficacy of the jabs perpetuated when data never showed it stopped transmission or was 100% effective. I genuinely don’t know a single person who didn’t get the jab that wishes they did; in turn, everyone I know personally who did (other than my 80+ grandmother) are petrified of the potential side effects that are happening and/or wishes they never took it (even people in the medical field). I’m paraphrasing, but you mentioned Rogan making money off of misinformation… These are individuals that offer a voluntary entertainment source, not massive corporations and government that control our lives, who have been caught an incalculable amount of times lying to the public. And not only lying, but doing so at the expense of millions of lives for profit and power. I believe they’re much more evil than the couple of podcasters you’ve mentioned. Are you familiar with semaglutide? It’s a diabetes medication banned in many countries due to the horrific risks, but is being pushed to overweight people and even children in the U.S. as nothing but a weight loss solution. Someone earlier said that the elites run everything and it’s true. They’re all incredibly connected and interwoven into pharma, tech and government. We’re not going to come to any agreement because I see those in power that have consistently manipulated and harmed people/society as the problem, not singular individuals with a podcast. This is another mistake you and people like you tend to make. I'm talking about scientists, not the government, not the media, not corporations. If a bunch of scientists say one thing and the government says another, I will disagree with the government. I'm not falling for the corrupt scientists narrative. I'm not saying they don't exist, I just don't believe they are a majority and that the others will remain silent. I think that's absurd. Especially in a world of social media where scientists can talk to people directly. Also, before seeing governments as evil, have you considered Occam's razor? The simplest explanation is often the right one. The people in government are as much laymen as you and I. They try to follow the science and balance out the death toll, the economy, job loss, etc. They are going to fuck up and take bad decisions. As for inconsistencies, don't forget that science changes accordingly to new data, which is how it should be. It's an uncomfortable truth because we don't and can't know everything at all times. Some conspiracy theories tend to give the false impression to solve this issue and make things easy to digest, which is in part why they're chosen by some people as fact. I've noticed that, many times, when one puts their finger in the conspiracy theory gears, they eventually end up out of explanation. That's why many conspiracy theorists end up talking about God and Jesus. Because, when they're out of explanations, the only thing left is something you can't explain or prove... as it's always been the case in human history. Lastly, talking about the impact of Joe Rogan, Tucker Carlson and others like them. Tucker Carlson and the Fox News lot don't sell themselves as entertainers. And when Joe Rogan talks with a bad scientist, the narrative, even if not said directly is "he's a scientist, you can trust him". Therefore, if because of that, just ONE person decides not to protect themselves at all against something like Covid and dies, then they have blood on their hands. I don't care about the rationalization. And no we are not going to agree and I never thought we would. But you've expressed yourself, I've made counterpoints. Freedom of expression is a beautiful thing! We can definitely agree that freedom of expression is a beautiful thing. I believe in and support it fully, whereas it seems you only support it if the expression fits your views. No, I haven’t applied the Occam’s Razor theory to government and I’ll tell you why — I started working for the government when I was 19 years old and left when I was 39 because I was completely disillusioned by the consistent harm done to people that could’ve been helped. I’ve worked for local, state and federal agencies via the legal system and sociological field. It is irreparably broken and they have no desire to fix it. Are you familiar with the medical system in the U.S. (my mother is in the field)? Family practice doctors have pharma sales reps enter their businesses to hawk products and receive a monetary kick-back for every time they prescribe that company’s medication. Does this not make you realize there is a conflict of interest? Pharma has repeatedly pushed known harmful drugs to people for financial gain AND Americans are the most medicated people on Earth, while essentially the least healthy. Science does change. Constantly; like the information around mRNA jabs/their efficacy AND the side effects being documented in the countries that had high numbers of jabbed citizens. But yet, they still advertise it and tell people (including kids) to get boosted without explaining the possible consequences. If I remember correctly, they won’t release the testing data for 75 years and were basically provided immunity against liability. That’s extremely concerning and indicative of the types of people with power. As far as Rogan (the only one I’ve discussed) and bad scientists, I’m guessing you’re referring to Robert Malone and Peter McCollough? Were they “bad scientists” prior to covid? How about the ones he had on who supported the covid jabs and refused to debate doctors/scientists that disagreed with them? How many of these JRE episodes have you listened to? If it’s none, you’re just repeating hyperbole.
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Post by The Chief on May 28, 2024 12:27:29 GMT -5
We can definitely agree that freedom of expression is a beautiful thing. I believe in and support it fully, whereas it seems you only support it if the expression fits your views. Not at all, I even said earlier that it would be a slippery slope to silence them and I'm opened to hearing opposing views from people who actually know what they're talking about. I'm just saying that if 9 out of 10 scientist say one thing and 1 says the other, I'm less enclined to listen to that one. As far as Rogan (the only one I’ve discussed) and bad scientists, I’m guessing you’re referring to Robert Malone and Peter McCollough? Were they “bad scientists” prior to covid? How about the ones he had on who supported the covid jabs and refused to debate doctors/scientists that disagreed with them? How many of these JRE episodes have you listened to? If it’s none, you’re just repeating hyperbole. I can't remember who and I'm not bothered to research this now. But, no matter who, if they are or were bad scientists even before Covid, if they're outliers in the scientific community and they're sold as an alternative opinion, them being interviewed anywhere with a large audience will give them a credibility they may not deserve. Lastly, as I understand it you're an american. Your type of views seem to be a lot more prominent in the United States. I can't know for sure, it's an impression I get. I'm not american so I can't speak for the health system or the government in that country.
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Post by globe on Jun 1, 2024 2:01:15 GMT -5
Anyone who likes Joe Rogan is on the incel spectrum. Lads with serious mental health issues I think. Can't criticise, can only pity them. Making such broad, negative generalizations about people’s sexual proclivities and mental health based on their entertainment choices is not only ignorant, but deeply hypocritical. You’re criticizing others for perceived narrow-mindedness while demonstrating it to a spectacular degree yourself. Saying you “can’t criticize, only pity them” is a masterclass in condescension and pity is typically the refuge of those who can’t muster the intellectual rigor for actual debate. You are sounding a wee bit condescending toward Mat there mate.
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Post by jeffrey on Jun 1, 2024 6:26:24 GMT -5
Making such broad, negative generalizations about people’s sexual proclivities and mental health based on their entertainment choices is not only ignorant, but deeply hypocritical. You’re criticizing others for perceived narrow-mindedness while demonstrating it to a spectacular degree yourself. Saying you “can’t criticize, only pity them” is a masterclass in condescension and pity is typically the refuge of those who can’t muster the intellectual rigor for actual debate. You are sounding a wee bit condescending toward Mat there mate. Oh no… Does this help: I sincerely apologize that you voluntarily read a thoughtful comment responding to pure childish, ignorance and were bothered by it.
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on Jun 2, 2024 10:27:23 GMT -5
You are sounding a wee bit condescending toward Mat there mate. Oh no… Does this help: I sincerely apologize that you voluntarily read a thoughtful comment responding to pure childish, ignorance and were bothered by it. Sounds like the Alex Jones fan club on X there (btw, Infowars has not at this point shut down)
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Post by jeffrey on Jun 2, 2024 12:23:44 GMT -5
Oh no… Does this help: I sincerely apologize that you voluntarily read a thoughtful comment responding to pure childish, ignorance and were bothered by it. Sounds like the Alex Jones fan club on X there (btw, Infowars has not at this point shut down) Huh?
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Post by jeffrey on Jul 9, 2024 7:58:00 GMT -5
I couldn’t care less about his political leanings. I just think he’s become a more obnoxiously arrogant, angry person with a sharp tongue that no longer speaks with any value. It’s concerning that people hold something against others for their political beliefs. This is exactly what the powers who control us want and it’s shocking that those living in it are either blinded by naïveté or are too consumed with themselves to realize it. For those of us that reside in the U.S., we are living in the most propagandized nation on Earth and our friends in the UK are close behind. The Russians and Chinese are aware that their media is just a state-run propaganda machine, but for some reason we won’t collectively wake the fuck up. There’s endless evidence of atrocities committed behind lies propagated for monetary gain/power and we know it, yet still think one side is better than the other?? Those in power don’t give a single fuck about the common man; they continue to increase their riches while our resources dwindle and all we do is infight. Walloper. Seriously WTF are you going on about now? Noel is saying that Glastonbury is too "woke" (what even is that?) and too political. The folk that have replied to this are simply pointing out that Glastonbury has always had political leanings and stood up for various causes. It was born out of 60's counter-culture ffs. We are also pointing out his hypocrisy given he grew up a massive Jam fan and now he's coming out with this shit. You know what woke is. And no, people are not just “simply pointing out that Glastonbury has always had political leanings,” there’s been several posts that have brought his supposed politics into it, as if their ideologies are superior. You and others may think the post is wallpaper, but I sense anger and/or disappointment from those who’ve called him conservative or another form of the term. I’m only trying to point out that being upset at someone for the way they identify politically brings absolutely no benefit to anyone and is one of the main reasons the western world is failing. Conservative/liberal, Tory/Labour — behind the scenes they’re the same people — the establishment.
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Post by standonit on Jul 9, 2024 9:13:17 GMT -5
And no, people are not just “simply pointing out that Glastonbury has always had political leanings,” there’s been several posts that have brought his supposed politics into it, as if their ideologies are superior. Noel, a regular attendee and occasional performer at a massive festival with explicit links to left-wing political movements, has criticised it using conservative language (language which is just an evolution of the same phrases which have always been used to talk down any kind of progressive movement). People are allowed to think that's stupid and disappointing (even if not particularly surprising at this point). Tory/Labour politicians might all be the same, doesn't mean that nobody is allowed to have values or criticise those whose values are opposed to them.
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Post by jeffrey on Jul 9, 2024 9:58:05 GMT -5
And no, people are not just “simply pointing out that Glastonbury has always had political leanings,” there’s been several posts that have brought his supposed politics into it, as if their ideologies are superior. Noel, a regular attendee and occasional performer at a massive festival with explicit links to left-wing political movements, has criticised it using conservative language (language which is just an evolution of the same phrases which have always been used to talk down any kind of progressive movement). People are allowed to think that's stupid and disappointing (even if not particularly surprising at this point). Tory/Labour politicians might all be the same, doesn't mean that nobody is allowed to have values or criticise those whose values are opposed to them. Of course they’re allowed to think it’s stupid or to be disappointed, but even you, in an earlier post, called him a conservative misanthrope. That’s a comment meant to demean him based on political ideology, which insinuates you think you have a superior belief or side.
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Post by standonit on Jul 9, 2024 10:16:55 GMT -5
Well yes, obviously. I think conservative views aren't good for society, I think the country I live in is worse because of them. If someone comes across as a conservative misanthrope then I think that's a bad thing to be.
I don't really get what you're saying at this stage, seems to be that criticising someone for holding views you think are harmful is somehow wrong.
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Post by jeffrey on Jul 9, 2024 10:43:35 GMT -5
My point is that governments are purposely destabilizing our countries by sowing division in citizens via politics while they take more and more from us. Thinking one side is better is folly and exactly what they want. Let’s see just how much the new government in the UK helps everyday people; I’m willing to bet it doesn’t.
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Post by globe on Jul 10, 2024 5:02:37 GMT -5
Walloper. Seriously WTF are you going on about now? Noel is saying that Glastonbury is too "woke" (what even is that?) and too political. The folk that have replied to this are simply pointing out that Glastonbury has always had political leanings and stood up for various causes. It was born out of 60's counter-culture ffs. We are also pointing out his hypocrisy given he grew up a massive Jam fan and now he's coming out with this shit. You know what woke is. And no, people are not just “simply pointing out that Glastonbury has always had political leanings,” there’s been several posts that have brought his supposed politics into it, as if their ideologies are superior. You and others may think the post is wallpaper, but I sense anger and/or disappointment from those who’ve called him conservative or another form of the term. I’m only trying to point out that being upset at someone for the way they identify politically brings absolutely no benefit to anyone and is one of the main reasons the western world is failing. Conservative/liberal, Tory/Labour — behind the scenes they’re the same people — the establishment. I don't know what woke is - go on and explain it to me please.
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Post by The Chief on Jul 10, 2024 5:48:21 GMT -5
You know what woke is. And no, people are not just “simply pointing out that Glastonbury has always had political leanings,” there’s been several posts that have brought his supposed politics into it, as if their ideologies are superior. You and others may think the post is wallpaper, but I sense anger and/or disappointment from those who’ve called him conservative or another form of the term. I’m only trying to point out that being upset at someone for the way they identify politically brings absolutely no benefit to anyone and is one of the main reasons the western world is failing. Conservative/liberal, Tory/Labour — behind the scenes they’re the same people — the establishment. I don't know what woke is - go on and explain it to me please. Most people who use it don't know what it means. It pretty much represents anything that they don't like now. Antiwar? Woke. Anti-racism? Woke. Not transphobic? Woke. Not anti-immigrant? Woke. Not a Tory? Woke. So, basically: Woke (adjective): umbrella term used by people to bitch and moan about today's society, its advancements and evolution. The term is particularly appreciated by conservatives, homophobes, racists, xenophobes, transphobes, conspiracy theorists, assholes who miss the days they could grab a woman's ass without consequence and old farts who refuse to understand the world they live in.
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Post by globe on Jul 10, 2024 5:50:22 GMT -5
I don't know what woke is - go on and explain it to me please. Most people who use it don't know what it means. It pretty much represents anything that they don't like now. Antiwar? Woke. Anti-racism? Woke. Not transphobic? Woke. Not anti-immigrant? Woke. Not a Tory? Woke. So, basically: Woke (adjective): umbrella term used by people to bitch and moan about today's society, its advancements and evolution. The term is particularly appreciated by conservatives, homophobes, racists, xenophobes, transphobes, conspiracy theorists, assholes who miss the days they could grab a woman's ass without consequence and old farts who refuse to understand the world they live in. Bang on mate.
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