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Post by His Royal Noelness on Aug 30, 2024 4:41:45 GMT -5
You can hear such a jump from the Monnow Valley to Sawmills in Rock n Roll Star. It’s so cool to hear the evolution. Every thing just sounds better. Liam vocals on Rock'n'roll star from Sawmills are unbelievable. Indeed! And yet they re-recorded them! |
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Aug 30, 2024 4:50:00 GMT -5
The “wooo” in Cigs and Alcohol made be lol
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Post by GlastoEls on Aug 30, 2024 4:50:33 GMT -5
Two questions:
- Does CD1 use the 2014 master
- Is the 2014 good over the 1994 (I didn’t bother with the Chasing The Sun version given I had all b-sides etc)
Ta!
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Post by Parka Flames on Aug 30, 2024 5:00:17 GMT -5
From a quick listen it seems like a lot of the guitar overdubs from the final version of DM are missing from the Monnow Valley/Sawmills versions.
Are the earlier versions unfinished? Or were the overdubs Owen Morris' idea?
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Aug 30, 2024 5:01:57 GMT -5
From a quick listen it seems like a lot of the guitar overdubs from the final version of DM are missing from the Monnow Valley/Sawmills versions. Are the earlier versions unfinished? Or were the overdubs Owen Morris' idea? Sawmills seems to just be the live in the room takes. The overdubs would have been done after but aren’t included here. But they wouldn’t have been Owen’s idea. He has said he sifted through all of them and just picked the best bits. |
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Aug 30, 2024 5:02:45 GMT -5
Two questions: - Does CD1 use the 2014 master - Is the 2014 good over the 1994 (I didn’t bother with the Chasing The Sun version given I had all b-sides etc) Ta! CD1 is the 2014 master. It’ll be personal preference. Some people prefer 1994, some 2014. Most probably wouldn’t know the difference. |
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Post by beentherenow on Aug 30, 2024 5:33:58 GMT -5
Whilst I’m really happy that they’ve been released and it’s so interesting to hear, thank fuck the final album didn’t sound like that!
No wonder they got told to scrap it and start again. It sounds so flat and stale, no menace, no swagger, no balls. This album would have been quickly forgotten had that happened.
Proves how important the recording and mixing is. You can have all the amazing songs in the world but if they sound like shit, it’s irrelevant
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Post by Guy Fawkes on Aug 30, 2024 5:48:42 GMT -5
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Post by Diamond in The Dark on Aug 30, 2024 5:59:58 GMT -5
I took various alternate versions and created my favorite Definitely Maybe playlist. I find the dynamic sound quality of the alternate sessions to be much more enjoyable than the final classic album production.
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Post by andymorris on Aug 30, 2024 6:55:08 GMT -5
Depends on you ripping options. Did you rip the CDs in High Quality ? By default itunes and the likes rip CDs in AAC/MP3 compressed format, and that's not the CD quality anymore. You need to go into configs and select the highest quality I’m really impressed that I can rip them at all…..I’m not of the computer age, thankfully. I’ll look into the settings….. I can’t wait for this whole internet and computer fad to pass…. Thanks. Anyday now, my prediction. |
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Post by andymorris on Aug 30, 2024 6:59:04 GMT -5
Something we probably didn't notice back in the 90s is how Supersonic and Slide Away sound different from the other songs on the album. Back then it was one big bulk of an album, but with the Atmos Mix it clearly sound from various sessions
When was Supersonic recorded by the way ?
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Post by mahsteve on Aug 30, 2024 7:09:54 GMT -5
Something we probably didn't notice back in the 90s is how Supersonic and Slide Away sound different from the other songs on the album. Back then it was one big bulk of an album, but with the Atmos Mix it clearly sound from various sessions When was Supersonic recorded by the way ? I believe it was recorded in December 1993 at the Pink Museum Studio in Liverpool. Wikipedia says mid December 1993. I’m sure we did find out the date |
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Post by andymorris on Aug 30, 2024 7:13:31 GMT -5
Something we probably didn't notice back in the 90s is how Supersonic and Slide Away sound different from the other songs on the album. Back then it was one big bulk of an album, but with the Atmos Mix it clearly sound from various sessions When was Supersonic recorded by the way ? I believe it was recorded in December 1993 at the Pink Museum Studio in Liverpool. Wikipedia says mid December 1993. I’m sure we did find out the date thanx. Weird that they didn't manage to record the rest of the album like that. With the atmos mix, it sounds very MG-ish. |
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Post by mahsteve on Aug 30, 2024 7:17:29 GMT -5
I believe it was recorded in December 1993 at the Pink Museum Studio in Liverpool. Wikipedia says mid December 1993. I’m sure we did find out the date thanx. Weird that they didn't manage to record the rest of the album like that. With the atmos mix, it sounds very MG-ish. To be honest I don’t understand all the terms. Apologies for my ignorance. What is remastering? What is Dolby atmos? |
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Post by gottabecrazy on Aug 30, 2024 7:19:21 GMT -5
I'm just 4 songs into the Monnow Valley outtakes and it sounds as if this is from a parallel universe. Shakermaker is faster, Live Forever has a complete different intro, outro and feel to it, and Up in the Sky is as beatlesque as they can be. Like Paperback Writer 2.0.
It's absolutely fantastic hearing these classic songs with an alternate and different production (I believe Monnoy Valley was produced by David Bachelor? Correct me if I'm wrong)
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Aug 30, 2024 7:22:08 GMT -5
thanx. Weird that they didn't manage to record the rest of the album like that. With the atmos mix, it sounds very MG-ish. To be honest I don’t understand all the terms. Apologies for my ignorance. What is remastering? What is Dolby atmos? Dolby Atmos is surround sound. If you have Apple Music and appropriate equipment (AirPods will do) you can listen to the album in Dolby Atmos. IMO it never sounded better! |
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Aug 30, 2024 7:23:26 GMT -5
I believe it was recorded in December 1993 at the Pink Museum Studio in Liverpool. Wikipedia says mid December 1993. I’m sure we did find out the date thanx. Weird that they didn't manage to record the rest of the album like that. With the atmos mix, it sounds very MG-ish. Sawmills is *almost* there too. Not surprised they binned the Slide Away Sawmills. Monnow Valley definitely the better take. |
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Post by mahsteve on Aug 30, 2024 7:25:49 GMT -5
Something we probably didn't notice back in the 90s is how Supersonic and Slide Away sound different from the other songs on the album. Back then it was one big bulk of an album, but with the Atmos Mix it clearly sound from various sessions When was Supersonic recorded by the way ? Wikepdia says 19th December 1993 |
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Post by andymorris on Aug 30, 2024 7:27:48 GMT -5
thanx. Weird that they didn't manage to record the rest of the album like that. With the atmos mix, it sounds very MG-ish. To be honest I don’t understand all the terms. Apologies for my ignorance. What is remastering? What is Dolby atmos? Remastering is the final process of making an album. You set different settings like same level on all tracks, or tone, overall making all the songs sounds like an ensemble. So it can make or break an album. Remastering is taking the original mix and doing the process over again. Dolby Atmos is a format for Apple user, it basically really space tracks in all corner of the speaker or headphones, giving mixes air to breath. Again, it can make or break a record. On old record especially, because they werent meant for it. But if done right, it can really breath life into an oldie, like the beatles. |
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Post by themanwholivesinhell on Aug 30, 2024 7:29:59 GMT -5
Listening to the Monnow Valley tracks, they sound pretty much like I expected.
Some work better than others, Rock & Roll Star is OK and Live Forever is passable, Digsy’s Dinner also sounds quite similar to how it ended up. However, tracks like Cigs & Alcohol are missing a lot of the guitar hooks, and Liam’s vocals on a few tracks aren’t as good as the Sawmills ones they went with.
But the main underlying issue is how empty it all sounds. It’s thin, there’s no atmosphere to it, no burning sense of urgency like the final mixes had.
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Post by themanwholivesinhell on Aug 30, 2024 7:32:58 GMT -5
thanx. Weird that they didn't manage to record the rest of the album like that. With the atmos mix, it sounds very MG-ish. Sawmills is *almost* there too. Not surprised they binned the Slide Away Sawmills. Monnow Valley definitely the better take. Just listening to that and god yeah, the Sawmills take is so plodding. Liam’s vocals arent awful but nothing like the first time. Though it still needed Owen to add some groove to the mix, they were smart to return to the Monnow Valley recording. |
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Post by Gergely on Aug 30, 2024 8:49:46 GMT -5
Very interesting listen, and I think it's easy to hear why it had to be re-recorded and how much Owen Morris' rather heavy-handed mixing added to it. I'm not even a big fan of Definitely Maybe's mixing, but it really channeled the urgency, bite and power Oasis had. The final version is an unstoppable tank compared to these versions. I really like the Monnow Valley version of Shakermaker though with the guitar chiming, and the backup vocals on Up In The Sky. Columbia Sawmills kicks ass.
But in general, these recordings confirm that Oasis eventually made the right choices.
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Post by CFC2013 on Aug 30, 2024 10:09:01 GMT -5
The Monnow Valley version of Columbia is ace.
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Post by The Chief on Aug 30, 2024 10:21:12 GMT -5
I've said it previously in this thread but God I'm glad they didn't release these versions as their first record! I'm happy to hear them as bonuses but I understand what people meant when they would tell them that it wasn't right!
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Post by andymorris on Aug 30, 2024 10:33:16 GMT -5
I've said it previously in this thread but God I'm glad they didn't release these versions as their first record! I'm happy to hear them as bonuses but I understand what people meant when they would tell them that it wasn't right! That and I doubt Creation would have released those alternate recordings if the band had pushed for it. It sounds too much like rough tracks and demos. In a pre-britpop world, where the drums and bass were very important, those recordings lack those two elements. And its with the wall of guitars and agressive vocals that it finally did the trick. That "something else" that makes a record. My thought here is if Owen Morris didn't save the tracks, it was either another session of they would have got dropped. |
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