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Post by Supersonic on Jan 25, 2024 9:22:42 GMT -5
Rate Mars to Liverpool Out of 10!
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Post by Diamond in The Dark on Jan 25, 2024 9:33:34 GMT -5
Anyone who rates a song like this from 0 to 6 is not an Oasis fan. In this song there are all the elements that made us fall in love with Oasis. Even Noel would know in his heart that it's a Top song.
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Post by Supersonic on Jan 25, 2024 9:35:21 GMT -5
Anyone who rates a song like this from 0 to 6 is not an Oasis fan. In this song there are all the elements that made us fall in love with Oasis. Even Noel would know in his heart that it's a Top song. Please don't gatekeep, people are entitled to their own opinion.
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Post by jh on Jan 25, 2024 9:42:27 GMT -5
Has this leaked then?
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Post by Diamond in The Dark on Jan 25, 2024 9:43:33 GMT -5
Anyone who rates a song like this from 0 to 6 is not an Oasis fan. In this song there are all the elements that made us fall in love with Oasis. Even Noel would know in his heart that it's a Top song. Please don't gatekeep, people are entitled to their own opinion. In fact, mine is just an opinion 🥲
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Post by oasisserbia on Jan 25, 2024 10:12:08 GMT -5
Anyone who rates a song like this from 0 to 6 is not an Oasis fan. In this song there are all the elements that made us fall in love with Oasis. Even Noel would know in his heart that it's a Top song. Oasis and Stone Roses used to shit on people like Tina Turner, Phil Collins... old farts that occupied all charts and tv shows doing the same shit for decades. Being fan of Oasis for me doesn't mean to be fan of the Beatles nostalgia kind of music. Oasis was an exciting band with great vibes, great energy and with also much better songwriting and more inspired songwriting and much better vocals. Imagine living in the 90s and hearing band from the 60s doing exactly the same thing that they were doing in the 60s but just worse. But with completely same style, production... I would say that people who just love everything that Gallaghers do are not real fans of what Oasis really was. They are fans of that stereotypical view of Oasis - that they were Beatles tribute band that only knows 3 chords. Also, we should redefine what it means to be a good guitarist. Playing the same shit for 4 decades doesn't make you good and it doesn't mean that you still got it, it just mean that you stucked, and if you're stuck, then you're not good.
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Post by yogurt on Jan 25, 2024 10:15:04 GMT -5
I rated 6, if 1-10 is in the context of all music. If A Day In The Life or something along those lines is a 9 or 10, then this song is absolutely is nowhere near those marks, if we are being realistic about things. Its just a decent catchy guitar pop tune like many before it.
Now, if we mark out of 10 in context of what I realistically expect from a Liam and Squire collaboration in 2024, then I definitely rank it higher than 6.
I like it. Catchy tune and better than any of Liam's solo work which i havent liked. If most of the album is of similar quality then it'll be a good listen.
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Post by yogurt on Jan 25, 2024 10:53:36 GMT -5
Anyone who rates a song like this from 0 to 6 is not an Oasis fan. In this song there are all the elements that made us fall in love with Oasis. Even Noel would know in his heart that it's a Top song. Oasis and Stone Roses used to shit on people like Tina Turner, Phil Collins... old farts that occupied all charts and tv shows doing the same shit for decades. Being fan of Oasis for me doesn't mean to be fan of the Beatles nostalgia kind of music. Oasis was an exciting band with great vibes, great energy and with also much better songwriting and more inspired songwriting and much better vocals. Imagine living in the 90s and hearing band from the 60 doing exactly the same thing that they were doing in the 60s but just worse. But with completely same style, production... I would say that people who just love everything that Gallaghers do are not real fans of what Oasis really was. They are fans of that stereotypical view of Oasis - that they were Beatles tribute band that only knows 3 chords. Also, we should redefine what it means to be a good guitarist. Playing the same shit for 4 decades doesn't make you good and it doesn't mean that you still got it, it just mean that you stucked, and if you're stuck, then you're not good. I agree with all that With that said, I don't anticipate any Gallagher release these days with any great expectations of anything expect fairly middle the road stuff that's really not much better than mediocre. That's simply because that's how it's been for years now. I find Noel's solo career to be lacking in all departments. His last album is no better than your average local singer songwriter who puts an album on Spotify, only with a bigger production budget but its still boring as fuck. He's truly become a middle aged man that's pretty much lost the gift. But he is middle aged so maybe it just accepted that's where he's at now. As for Liam, his solo career sounds like a guy singing songs that barely suit him just because he has to release albums to maintain a career. I'm not even convinced he thinks his solo albums are any good. As for this Liam and Squire thing, I'm OK with it. It is what it sounds like, geezers age 61 and 51 trying to recapture sounds from their heyday. Its not like Squire has really been that cutting edge, by the time the Roses were on a second album, he had become a Jimmy Page wannabe, so I don't think there was ever that much going on in his brain about being progressive musically. And Liam just seems happy singing songs that are kind of a bit like the music he likes. But I think when you look at it for what it is, then I don't mind the new song, it's an inoffensive little tune and it doesn't sound like they're going through the motions, it sounds like it's something they're enjoying. If I'm looking for progressive musicians, then I won't be looking for it in two guys weren't even progressive 30 years ago. That's why I'm not really going to judge their music with that mindset or expectation.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jan 25, 2024 11:09:06 GMT -5
Anyone who rates a song like this from 0 to 6 is not an Oasis fan. In this song there are all the elements that made us fall in love with Oasis. Even Noel would know in his heart that it's a Top song. Oasis and Stone Roses used to shit on people like Tina Turner, Phil Collins... old farts that occupied all charts and tv shows doing the same shit for decades. Being fan of Oasis for me doesn't mean to be fan of the Beatles nostalgia kind of music. Oasis was an exciting band with great vibes, great energy and with also much better songwriting and more inspired songwriting and much better vocals. Imagine living in the 90s and hearing band from the 60 doing exactly the same thing that they were doing in the 60s but just worse. But with completely same style, production... I would say that people who just love everything that Gallaghers do are not real fans of what Oasis really was. They are fans of that stereotypical view of Oasis - that they were Beatles tribute band that only knows 3 chords. Also, we should redefine what it means to be a good guitarist. Playing the same shit for 4 decades doesn't make you good and it doesn't mean that you still got it, it just mean that you stucked, and if you're stuck, then you're not good. Four decades? Might want to check Squire’s work rate over the last 20 years and before tbh.
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Post by oasisserbia on Jan 25, 2024 11:11:11 GMT -5
Oasis and Stone Roses used to shit on people like Tina Turner, Phil Collins... old farts that occupied all charts and tv shows doing the same shit for decades. Being fan of Oasis for me doesn't mean to be fan of the Beatles nostalgia kind of music. Oasis was an exciting band with great vibes, great energy and with also much better songwriting and more inspired songwriting and much better vocals. Imagine living in the 90s and hearing band from the 60 doing exactly the same thing that they were doing in the 60s but just worse. But with completely same style, production... I would say that people who just love everything that Gallaghers do are not real fans of what Oasis really was. They are fans of that stereotypical view of Oasis - that they were Beatles tribute band that only knows 3 chords. Also, we should redefine what it means to be a good guitarist. Playing the same shit for 4 decades doesn't make you good and it doesn't mean that you still got it, it just mean that you stucked, and if you're stuck, then you're not good. Four decades? Might want to check Squire’s work rate over the last 20 years and before tbh. I mean what he is doing with Liam sounds like what he was doing with Stone Roses.
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Post by Diamond in The Dark on Jan 25, 2024 11:16:06 GMT -5
Anyone who rates a song like this from 0 to 6 is not an Oasis fan. In this song there are all the elements that made us fall in love with Oasis. Even Noel would know in his heart that it's a Top song. Oasis and Stone Roses used to shit on people like Tina Turner, Phil Collins... old farts that occupied all charts and tv shows doing the same shit for decades. Being fan of Oasis for me doesn't mean to be fan of the Beatles nostalgia kind of music. Oasis was an exciting band with great vibes, great energy and with also much better songwriting and more inspired songwriting and much better vocals. Imagine living in the 90s and hearing band from the 60 doing exactly the same thing that they were doing in the 60s but just worse. But with completely same style, production... I would say that people who just love everything that Gallaghers do are not real fans of what Oasis really was. They are fans of that stereotypical view of Oasis - that they were Beatles tribute band that only knows 3 chords. Also, we should redefine what it means to be a good guitarist. Playing the same shit for 4 decades doesn't make you good and it doesn't mean that you still got it, it just mean that you stucked, and if you're stuck, then you're not good. People no longer know what they really want. Today we think too much, and precisely because of this no one is able to appreciate what they have. Liam can't and shouldn't make disco music to rock the boat. People who are good at that genre already take care of that. Liam has to do what he was born to do, and according to the latest single he's doing it really well. At the beginning of Oasis' journey everyone was carried away by the positive vibrations that that band emanated through the melody, the guitars, the attitude and the voice. If Definitely Maybe were released today, in times of extreme malignancy, everyone would be listing the moments of plagiarism and senseless lyrics scattered here and there and no one would be moved. Today that album would never receive the success it had in those years. We must have the intellectual honesty to recognize this. That record marked an era because that was the right moment for the birth of that stuff. If songs like Mars to Liverpool had been released in the 90s they would have been the protagonists of that great party. Having said that, in my opinion, devaluing a song that brings us back to those moments would be as if the first three Oasis albums were no longer worth anything today. Liam is doing what he's supposed to do on this earth and he's doing it well. The confusion is only in our minds. If we don't want songs like Mars To Liverpool we don't want Oasis. Fortunately, beyond the controversy over JAR's rainbow colours, the first single was successful, and I'm sure the second will do even better. And this is what really matters.
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Post by oasisserbia on Jan 25, 2024 11:16:54 GMT -5
Oasis and Stone Roses used to shit on people like Tina Turner, Phil Collins... old farts that occupied all charts and tv shows doing the same shit for decades. Being fan of Oasis for me doesn't mean to be fan of the Beatles nostalgia kind of music. Oasis was an exciting band with great vibes, great energy and with also much better songwriting and more inspired songwriting and much better vocals. Imagine living in the 90s and hearing band from the 60 doing exactly the same thing that they were doing in the 60s but just worse. But with completely same style, production... I would say that people who just love everything that Gallaghers do are not real fans of what Oasis really was. They are fans of that stereotypical view of Oasis - that they were Beatles tribute band that only knows 3 chords. Also, we should redefine what it means to be a good guitarist. Playing the same shit for 4 decades doesn't make you good and it doesn't mean that you still got it, it just mean that you stucked, and if you're stuck, then you're not good. I agree with all that With that said, I don't anticipate any Gallagher release these days with any great expectations of anything expect fairly middle the road stuff that's really not much better than mediocre. That's simply because that's how it's been for years now. I find Noel's solo career to be lacking in all departments. His last album is no better than your average local singer songwriter who puts an album on Spotify, only with a bigger production budget but its still boring as fuck. He's truly become a middle aged man that's pretty much lost the gift. But he is middle aged so maybe it just accepted that's where he's at now. As for Liam, his solo career sounds like a guy singing songs that barely suit him just because he has to release albums to maintain a career. I'm not even convinced he thinks his solo albums are any good. As for this Liam and Squire thing, I'm OK with it. It is what it sounds like, geezers age 61 and 51 trying to recapture sounds from their heyday. Its not like Squire has really been that cutting edge, by the time the Roses were on a second album, he had become a Jimmy Page wannabe, so I don't think there was ever that much going on in his brain about being progressive musically. And Liam just seems happy singing songs that are kind of a bit like the music he likes. But I think when you look at it for what it is, then I don't mind the new song, it's an inoffensive little tune and it doesn't sound like they're going through the motions, it sounds like it's something they're enjoying. If I'm looking for progressive musicians, then I won't be looking for it in two guys weren't even progressive 30 years ago. That's why I'm not really going to judge their music with that mindset or expectation. I agree. It also all good and I don't mind it really. It is music, I like Supersonic and feel I it from it start. It doesn't make much sense really, you hear most basic drums and you are loving it and feeling already. Some people hear something in Mars to Liverpool, I don't. It doesn't do anything for me. If you ask me why is that, the answer is in probably in my last post. But I don't think that people who like it are idiots and stupid for falling in love with this kind of things. They just feel something that I don't. I am totally fine with them thinking that this song is great but it is stupid to say that you are not an Oasis fan if you think that this song 6/10 and that is the reason why I wrote that post.
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Post by yogurt on Jan 25, 2024 11:21:00 GMT -5
Oasis and Stone Roses used to shit on people like Tina Turner, Phil Collins... old farts that occupied all charts and tv shows doing the same shit for decades. Being fan of Oasis for me doesn't mean to be fan of the Beatles nostalgia kind of music. Oasis was an exciting band with great vibes, great energy and with also much better songwriting and more inspired songwriting and much better vocals. Imagine living in the 90s and hearing band from the 60 doing exactly the same thing that they were doing in the 60s but just worse. But with completely same style, production... I would say that people who just love everything that Gallaghers do are not real fans of what Oasis really was. They are fans of that stereotypical view of Oasis - that they were Beatles tribute band that only knows 3 chords. Also, we should redefine what it means to be a good guitarist. Playing the same shit for 4 decades doesn't make you good and it doesn't mean that you still got it, it just mean that you stucked, and if you're stuck, then you're not good. Four decades? Might want to check Squire’s work rate over the last 20 years and before tbh. Well Squire outside of this new stuff with Liam has released 2 songs with the Roses, that's his output since the early 00s solo stuff One of The Roses songs was a riff stolen from the Fall, a band that was around a decade before the Roses. The other song sounded exactly like what he was doing in 1994. Then this stuff with Liam. The first is Squire by numbers. The new one (which I like) is fairly jangly guitar pop that's been going for about 60 years, stuff the Roses were influenced by at their peak. So although Squire has had a low output, everything indicates in all of the songs that on the guitar he's doing exactly what he was doing 30 years ago. I mean, that's fine, he plays it well. But Serbia wasn't wrong. Squire certainly seems stuck within a very particular style. Some may see that as a negative, many won't even care as long as they enjoy it.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jan 25, 2024 11:23:35 GMT -5
Four decades? Might want to check Squire’s work rate over the last 20 years and before tbh. I mean what he is doing with Liam sounds like what he was doing with Stone Roses. Well Liam has done that before and The Stone Roses we’re pretty good and only released two albums. I’d also argue those two albums aren’t that similar.
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Post by oasisserbia on Jan 25, 2024 11:25:34 GMT -5
Oasis and Stone Roses used to shit on people like Tina Turner, Phil Collins... old farts that occupied all charts and tv shows doing the same shit for decades. Being fan of Oasis for me doesn't mean to be fan of the Beatles nostalgia kind of music. Oasis was an exciting band with great vibes, great energy and with also much better songwriting and more inspired songwriting and much better vocals. Imagine living in the 90s and hearing band from the 60 doing exactly the same thing that they were doing in the 60s but just worse. But with completely same style, production... I would say that people who just love everything that Gallaghers do are not real fans of what Oasis really was. They are fans of that stereotypical view of Oasis - that they were Beatles tribute band that only knows 3 chords. Also, we should redefine what it means to be a good guitarist. Playing the same shit for 4 decades doesn't make you good and it doesn't mean that you still got it, it just mean that you stucked, and if you're stuck, then you're not good. People no longer know what they really want. Today we think too much, and precisely because of this no one is able to appreciate what they have. Liam can't and shouldn't make disco music to rock the boat. People who are good at that genre already take care of that. Liam has to do what he was born to do, and according to the latest single he's doing it really well. At the beginning of Oasis' journey everyone was carried away by the positive vibrations that that band emanated through the melody, the guitars, the attitude and the voice. If Definitely Maybe were released today, in times of extreme malignancy, everyone would be listing the moments of plagiarism and senseless lyrics scattered here and there and no one would be moved. Today that album would never receive the success it had in those years. We must have the intellectual honesty to recognize this. That record marked an era because that was the right moment for the birth of that stuff. If songs like Mars to Liverpool had been released in the 90s they would have been the protagonists of that great party. Having said that, in my opinion, devaluing a song that brings us back to those moments would be as if the first three Oasis albums were no longer worth anything today. Liam is doing what he's supposed to do on this earth and he's doing it well. The confusion is only in our minds. If we don't want songs like Mars To Liverpool we don't want Oasis. Fortunately, beyond the controversy over JAR's rainbow colours, the first single was successful, and I'm sure the second will do even better. And this is what really matters. Definitely Maybe sounds like 90s record. There is no mistake about that. No matter how much they were talking about The Beatles it doesn't sound like The Beatles at all. Some melodies maybe but sound of the record, guitars, drums... everything is so 1994. When Oasis was really trying to sound like the Beatles and 60s we were getting shit records like Heathen Chemistry. Definitely Maybe today wouldn't sound like Definitely Maybe in 1994. 27 years old Noel would follow what is going on in today's music and that record would sound completely different. Even if the melodies stayed the same, production, the way that he plays guitar, amps that he uses... everything would be different.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jan 25, 2024 11:32:38 GMT -5
Four decades? Might want to check Squire’s work rate over the last 20 years and before tbh. Well Squire outside of this new stuff with Liam has released 2 songs with the Roses, that's his output since the early 00s solo stuff One of The Roses songs was a riff stolen from the Fall, a band that was around a decade before the Roses. The other song sounded exactly like what he was doing in 1994. Then this stuff with Liam. The first is Squire by numbers. The new one (which I like) is fairly jangly guitar pop that's been going for about 60 years, stuff the Roses were influenced by at their peak. So although Squire has had a low output, everything indicates in all of the songs that on the guitar he's doing exactly what he was doing 30 years ago. I mean, that's fine, he plays it well. But Serbia wasn't wrong. Squire certainly seems stuck within a very particular style. Some may see that as a negative, many won't even care as long as they enjoy it. You can’t describe someone as stuck if they’re exactly where they want to be.
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Post by oasisserbia on Jan 25, 2024 11:36:58 GMT -5
Beady Eye were also looking like they were exactly where they wanted to be.
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Post by Diamond in The Dark on Jan 25, 2024 11:39:37 GMT -5
People no longer know what they really want. Today we think too much, and precisely because of this no one is able to appreciate what they have. Liam can't and shouldn't make disco music to rock the boat. People who are good at that genre already take care of that. Liam has to do what he was born to do, and according to the latest single he's doing it really well. At the beginning of Oasis' journey everyone was carried away by the positive vibrations that that band emanated through the melody, the guitars, the attitude and the voice. If Definitely Maybe were released today, in times of extreme malignancy, everyone would be listing the moments of plagiarism and senseless lyrics scattered here and there and no one would be moved. Today that album would never receive the success it had in those years. We must have the intellectual honesty to recognize this. That record marked an era because that was the right moment for the birth of that stuff. If songs like Mars to Liverpool had been released in the 90s they would have been the protagonists of that great party. Having said that, in my opinion, devaluing a song that brings us back to those moments would be as if the first three Oasis albums were no longer worth anything today. Liam is doing what he's supposed to do on this earth and he's doing it well. The confusion is only in our minds. If we don't want songs like Mars To Liverpool we don't want Oasis. Fortunately, beyond the controversy over JAR's rainbow colours, the first single was successful, and I'm sure the second will do even better. And this is what really matters. Definitely Maybe sounds like 90s record. There is no mistake about that. No matter how much they were talking about The Beatles it doesn't sound like The Beatles at all. Some melodies maybe but sound of the record, guitars, drums... everything is so 1994. When Oasis was really trying to sound like the Beatles and 60s we were getting shit records like Heathen Chemistry. Definitely Maybe today wouldn't sound like Definitely Maybe in 1994. 27 years old Noel would follow what is going on in today's music and that record would sound completely different. Even if the melodies stayed the same, production, the way that he plays guitar, amps that he uses... everything would be different. In fact Liam cannot and must not sound like something from today. It must rather sound like himself. It is today's young musicians who have to talk about the contemporary era. Today there is reggaeton, commercial pop (the one for make-up shops) and Trap music (a phenomenon that has dominated the Italian charts for many years) which tells us what we are today. Liam doesn't have to tell anything about today. That's not what he's supposed to do.
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Post by oasisserbia on Jan 25, 2024 12:01:22 GMT -5
Mate, your nickname is Diamond in the Dark, that song at least sounds like 2010s and not like 1990s. Liam didn't lost his soul and became Ariana Grande when he recorded that song.
And it's not even about being modern, they are just lazy and you can feel it. And you really can't get away with it forever, especially when you are older.
If they were basketball players for example, every defender would already know how to defend them and they would be stopped every time and without adapting their game, they would be out of the NBA.
Some people have moves that you can't defend, everybody knows what are they going to do but still nobody can't defend them. But we are talking about 10/10 players in their prime.
Everybody else need to change all the time and to adapt.
If Liam and John can write 10/10 songs, it would be ok, most of us wouldn't mind sound of the record if they wrote new DLBIA. It wouldn't be as big as it was in 1995 but we as fans would all be happy probably.
But this is old and lazy songwriting, old and lazy production, old and lazy guitar playing...
Nothing is great, nothing is progressive. It's nothing really. It is as relevant as last Rod Stewart's album. I'm sure that there are some people who are loving that album.
Not for me mate.
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Post by Diamond in The Dark on Jan 25, 2024 12:20:48 GMT -5
Mate, your nickname is Diamond in the Dark, that song at least sounds like 2010s and not like 1990s. Liam didn't lost his soul and became Ariana Grande when he recorded that song. And it's not even about being modern, they are just lazy and you can feel it. And you really can't get away with it forever, especially when you are older. If they were basketball players for example, every defender would already know how to defend them and they would be stopped every time and without adapting their game, they would be out of the NBA. Some people have moves that you can't defend, everybody knows what are they going to do but still nobody can't defend them. But we are talking about 10/10 players in their prime. Everybody else need to change all the time and to adapt. If Liam and John can write 10/10 songs, it would be ok, most of us wouldn't mind sound of the record if they wrote new DLBIA. It wouldn't be as big as it was in 1995 but we as fans would all be happy probably. But this is old and lazy songwriting, old and lazy production, old and lazy guitar playing... Nothing is great, nothing is progressive. It's nothing really. It is as relevant as last Rod Stewart's album. I'm sure that there are some people who are loving that album. Not for me mate. Dude I disagree. Finally on a Gallagher album the vocals sound great at the same time as the guitars finally sound like they should. From the latter days of Oasis to both Gallagher brothers' solo albums the sound was so compressed that the song sounded like it had been recorded from inside a plastic tube. Finally with this new project the sounds of the instruments and the voice sound so free and open that I would go to church to thank Jesus for it. As for the song Diamond in The Dark, I love it, it's a great classic pop-rock song, but I don't want the whole album to have to sound like it. Liam comes from Oasis and I loved those sounds otherwise I would never have become a fan (I don't give a damn about the Beatles or Stone Roses and their influences on Oasis) and Liam grew up and grew old with Oasis in his soul and it's always a pleasure hearing him sing songs that reflect him, regardless of the fashions of the era in which we live. Whether it's classic rock or 90's rock doesn't matter to me. The important thing is that Liam sounds compatible with himself and that the mix of sounds is done in an excellent way. This is what I think. But I accept that you may think differently.
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Post by jh on Jan 25, 2024 13:05:43 GMT -5
OK.. So where are people hearing the whole tune then to rate?
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Post by Supersonic on Jan 25, 2024 13:10:45 GMT -5
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jan 25, 2024 14:39:58 GMT -5
. But this is old and lazy songwriting, old and lazy production, old and lazy guitar playing... You may not like it but those assumptions are based on your own bias. Not the reality.
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Post by oasisserbia on Jan 25, 2024 15:02:18 GMT -5
Yes, it is actually what Sgt.Pepper was in 1967.
Everyone outside this forum are crazy about it, rave reviews everywhere, whole world is talking about inspired songwriting, revolutionary production and guitar technique that was never heard before.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jan 25, 2024 15:16:05 GMT -5
Yes, it is actually what Sgt.Pepper was in 1967. Everyone outside this forum are crazy about it, rave reviews everywhere, whole world is talking about inspired songwriting, revolutionary production and guitar technique that was never heard before. You’re claiming those involved in creating the songs have been lazy. There’s nothing to suggest that’s true. Sgt Pepper wasn’t that good.
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