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Post by tiger40 on Nov 6, 2024 13:23:16 GMT -5
I don't understand why someone would want to vote for a criminal like Trump who's not even right in the head. In fact it's beyond me. Literally everything that Harris is accused of being, Trump is 10x worse. I read bollocks here about her 'lack of transparency' 'political malfeasance' blah blah blah as if this is something that is unique to her. Yet the same doesn't apply to Trump? Strange. Agreed. Trump is a million times worse than Harris.
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Post by Manualex on Nov 6, 2024 13:26:20 GMT -5
Inb4 Vance against Harris in 2028 😂
(I don't really care who won yesterday)
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Post by tiger40 on Nov 6, 2024 13:36:22 GMT -5
When me and Beady’s Here Now said Trump would win, you all laughed at us. Well I have to say, you’re not laughing now are you? and I don't think you'll be laughing once Trump starts implementing his terrifying changes... I wonder how many leaders there are in the world that are unable to think clearly and concisely express their ideas? Well the US just elected one! Exactly. It's very worrying indeed that he's won because he's not to be trusted .
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Post by Sadie on Nov 6, 2024 13:41:31 GMT -5
Well well well... this is what happens when you do fuck all to appeal to working class, leftist voters who are in search of a real alternative. It's useless trying to appeal to disaffected Republicans as Republicans are always gonna vote for their party anyway, plus how the hell are people who despise everything the GOP stands for gonna get enthusiastic and excited about someone who does nothing but pander to the very party the Dems are supposed to be fighting? That's without even bringing Gaza into it. In short, this (read every slide). http://instagram.com/p/DCCP6-Ivcdf
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Post by tiger40 on Nov 6, 2024 13:44:45 GMT -5
The greatest comeback in political history. Bullshit. And, let's not forget that he's a convicted criminal which is what you've voted for.
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Post by tiger40 on Nov 6, 2024 13:48:22 GMT -5
What would happen if Trump is sent to prison now (which of course is where he belongs). It's still possible.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Nov 6, 2024 13:50:49 GMT -5
What would happen if Trump is sent to prison now (which of course is where he belongs). It's still possible. His legal troubles are essentially gone. Those felonies won’t stick on appeal, either.
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Post by Robert Van Winkle on Nov 6, 2024 13:50:55 GMT -5
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Post by mimmihopps on Nov 6, 2024 14:09:44 GMT -5
Convicted for 34 times and counting
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Nov 6, 2024 14:16:48 GMT -5
What would happen if Trump is sent to prison now (which of course is where he belongs). It's still possible. Hypothetically, we'd then be left with Vance as President. Would that be better? I'll be honest, I don't know much about Vance.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Nov 6, 2024 14:20:27 GMT -5
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Post by Manualex on Nov 6, 2024 14:22:34 GMT -5
What would happen if Trump is sent to prison now (which of course is where he belongs). It's still possible. CNN reporting Jack Smith is in talks with the DOJ to wind down Trump prosecutions.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 6, 2024 14:22:37 GMT -5
What would happen if Trump is sent to prison now (which of course is where he belongs). It's still possible. His legal troubles are essentially gone. Those felonies won’t stick on appeal, either. You do believe and support the idea that some people are above the law then
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 6, 2024 14:23:36 GMT -5
What would happen if Trump is sent to prison now (which of course is where he belongs). It's still possible. CNN reporting Jack Smith is in talks with the DOJ to wind down Trump prosecutions. Pathetic. Go out with a bang you spineless prick.
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Nov 6, 2024 14:36:19 GMT -5
What would happen if Trump is sent to prison now (which of course is where he belongs). It's still possible. His legal troubles are essentially gone. Those felonies won’t stick on appeal, either. his case for falsifying business records to pay of strormy daniels wont go away, he's already been convicted and is waiting to be sentenced, also he done all this as a private citizen when running for office the 1st time, The E Jean Carrol setllement wont go away he still needs to cough up for that. The most important crimes which if it were anyone else lets say Joe Biden you'd want him strung up by his nutsack, insighting an insurrection to overthrow the government and stealing classified docs is no joke but it just shows the USA justice system is fucked beyond repair. If trump wants to isolate the country and be america 1st i hope he runs the fuckin country into the ground and the day comes when everyone who voted for him say " oh hang on this isnt what i voted for" you made you bed so you know lie in it
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Nov 6, 2024 15:03:13 GMT -5
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Nov 6, 2024 15:32:30 GMT -5
Looks like not only will the Republicans take the White House, and the Senate, but also keep the House. A full perfect trifecta of power.
Trump was given a mandate.
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Post by Robert Van Winkle on Nov 6, 2024 15:45:38 GMT -5
Looks like not only will the Republicans take the White House, and the Senate, but also keep the House. A full perfect trifecta of power. Trump was given a mandate.
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Nov 6, 2024 15:49:34 GMT -5
Harris has phoned trump to concede the election, good for her at least she's adult enought to admit she lost unilke this guy in 2020
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Post by The Escapist on Nov 6, 2024 15:56:03 GMT -5
A British anarchist's perspective on this election, should anyone care about such a thing: --------------- Of course, Trump winning is bad. Capital-bee Bad. It would have been better if Kamala, genocidal freak that she is, would've won, and if I were an American, I would have voted Democrat. The common sentiment among left-leaning types seems to be that Harris pissed away her momentum with her Republican-courting propaganda, parading Dick Cheney endorsements and patrolling the borders while talking about lethal fucking military force, but I'm not sure that's the point. At the end of the day, Trump is the gloop that oozes out of the pores of American society; his stupidity, his narcissism, his misogyny, his racism, his image as a charismatic male who takes on the bureaucrats and wins, are all suited to energising American anger because they are the echo of the cultural forces which created that anger in the first place. In the strange sado-masochistic paradox which underlies all fascism, Trump's embodiment of all the problems make him the perfect candidate for voters to lash out against the apathetic misery which those problems create. And it works. He won. He's back. And he's going to escalate the Palestinian genocide. He's going to crack down on all leftist resistance. He's going to engage in full-throttle class-warfare on every front, and he is going to actively race us towards the destruction of the environment upon which we all depend to live. Bad. It's Bad. ----------------- That said, it's the same horror we would have to face eventually, no matter who became the President. The ultimate mission objectives of Trump and Harris are identical, because the function of the state under capitalism is the same; protecting and enforcing the class objectives of those who own production. If Jill Stein had won every single vote in every single state with 100% voter-turnout, the American government would work its way back to the same neo-liberalist capitalist policies that we have now within three decades. Not because of any personal failing of the politicians involved, per se; capitalism simply has a equation to it, and the structure of that equation does not change no matter which numbers you plug into it. Case in point, Palestine. Kamala - more accurately, the liberal state part of the equation she functions for - has proven that it does not shut down at the wholesale massacre of innocents, even children, as long as the end result is beneficial to the interests of capital in the West. Her administration would've been supportive of blatant genocide as long as it was politically and economically expedient to be so, and there is nothing that would be different if it were you and yours being massacred, if the equation found it to be profitable in the end. There is also no difference in the moral vacuum that either Trump or Harris would run that function from; the ethical black hole is the same: numbers which the spreadsheet returns as ignorable, the representation of the Palestinian child-skulls you see on your Twitter feed. For their own part, each section of that equation is running perfectly wisely; the West would feel an impact if their Arabian power-front of Israel fell. It would have negative consequences for capital, wealth, and living standards here. But that isn't a hard-headed argument in favour of the existence of Israel. It's a hard-headed argument in favour of building a post-capitalist reality in which the mass-slaughter of children does not depend on the market. It's a realisation that state elections are, at best, on the macro scale, damage control. -------------- The key point here is that sustainable progressive change cannot come from the state under capitalism. It has to come from organised, grass-roots, forward-thinking collectives. It must come from the ground-up creation of organised para-communities, of unions, collectives, mutual aid associations, community relationships, and worker co-operatives. Being an anarchist means I have no Grand Ideological Vision of utopia, no quasi-religious vision which all glorious revolutionaries must engineer into existence; rather like feminism, anarchism is a set of principles upon which positive changes can be built. And this election shows that, now more than ever, those principles must be put into action; that those who work in an organisation ought to have dignified, direct, democratic input into the running of that organisation. That all forms of authority must be dissolved if found illegitimate. That the movement towards justice must be trans-national, operating not within state borders but as a force affecting the shared ecological and economic conditions which govern us all. That what we produce, how we produce it, and what we do with the produce itself, are shared human decisions which ought to be under shared, decentralised, democratic control, through work-place and community input, and not through the bureaucracy of a centralised state or the tyranny of private capital. That, basically, we can do a whole lot better than this.-------------- So, what to do, now, in the light of this dark turn of events? Join a union. Join or support the local worker co-operatives. Engage with, and build, the local mutual aid structures in your community. Be active and engaged with local leftist media. Convince other people you know who might be interested to do the same. For bonus points, go vegan, support boycotts, educate yourself, and get physically stronger/more active when possible.You can't vote for the change now, you have to build it. Here are some links to help get started with all those things: - foodnotbombs.net/new_site/- www.tuc.org.uk/joinunion- aflcio.org- iww.org.uk- www.uk.coop/directory- www.usworker.coop/directory/- uwcc.wisc.edu/resources/worker-cooperatives/- www.mutual-aid.co.uk- contemporaryand.com/magazines/find-here-a-list-of-freedom-funds-and-mutual-aid-networks-in-the-us/- www.ethicalconsumer.org/ethicalcampaigns/boycotts- bdsmovement.net/Act-Now-Against-These-Companies-Profiting-From-Genocide- www.vegansociety.com/go-vegan/how-go-vegan- theanarchistlibrary.org/library/daniel-guerin-anarchism-from-theory-to-practice--------------------- Elections won't save us in the end. Organise!
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Nov 6, 2024 16:07:42 GMT -5
We can only hope that democrats spend the next 4 years organizing and pushing for a progressive agenda.
This was a good idea then. It's a good idea still. It's an idea that appeals to all working class Americans regardless of party affiliation. It's an idea that historically, wins.
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Post by resurrection89 on Nov 6, 2024 16:18:33 GMT -5
So nothings changed on this thread then I see🙄 both Harris and Trump supporters falling for the same old propaganda🤦🏻♂️ seems like the elites “divide and conquer” plan is fooling the masses both sides of the atlantic. Genius really; get millions of people fighting against each other while the REAL POWER in charge stays in and gets zero flack. When will you learn? GTFOH with that bulls hit enlightened centrism. Don't you dare try to pretend whatever controversies people have tried to throw at Harris and Walz are anywhere remotely comparable to a twice-impeached, 34 time convicted felon and literal r apist (you can legally call him that, mind you) who threatened to be a dictator "on day one," tried to have his supporters overthrow the government in a literal coup after losing a fair and free election, was friends with Jeffrey Epstein, and has 28 allegations of sexual misconduct against him—the most recent allegation of which was revealed yesterday. And I'm leaving things out. Both sides are NOT the same. I’m not defending Trump. I’m just pointing out the delusional thinking that Harris winning would’ve made the world a wonderful place, when BOTH the republicans and the democrats represent the exact same multi billion dollar corporations, the military industrial complex, the fed reserve and central banks that strangle the world and most importantly the WEF scum that are setting a sinister global agenda that benefits the few and leaves the rest of us in a Orwellian nightmare. And yes I know Trumps links with J.E but what about Bill Clinton’s numerous visits to the island? Again proving my point. What you say about the republicans, I can repeat about the democrats. I hate both parties so I’m not taking sides. I just wish the likes of you would do some research. And I was like you once years back. I was a big Labour/Democrat fan before I learnt the above after years of looking into it.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Nov 6, 2024 18:30:50 GMT -5
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Post by matt on Nov 6, 2024 19:02:29 GMT -5
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Post by Robert Van Winkle on Nov 6, 2024 20:03:47 GMT -5
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