Lundblad
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Nothing ever lasts forever
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Post by Lundblad on May 31, 2024 17:09:33 GMT -5
I wasn’t a Trump supporter in 2016. I wanted him to win because I supported the Republican Party. But I believed the mainstream media for two years about Trump. Spent all of 2017 ignoring politics, believing Trump was awful. Remember, I was a big Mitt Romney fan from 2008 to 2016. Romney didn’t run in 2016, though. I have since realized Mitt for the snake he is. Then in January 2018, I looked into Russiagate on my own. And I realized the media lies about Trump to a literally insane degree that I quickly became a Trump fan. I was lied to by the media. The recent bloodbath outrage just shows how manufactured all of this is. And no, Trump is not like Hitler. 🙄 Been a Trump fan since 2018, and haven’t looked back. I’m sick of the establishment. I think you are correct that "the media" lies and exagerates about Trump. But I do not think for a second that he is not a narcissistic con man. I think it is quite obvious. However, I think that the way the media has treated him makes it harder to distinguish the actual problems with the guy. For every "bloodbath" speech scandal there is the attempt to overthrow the election, the fawning over dictators, the narcissism and absolutely insane things he actually says and does. Also, in the same vein, they cried "wolf" too many times in the past. George Bush was portrayed as a theocrat, John McCain as an extremist, Mitt Romney as a rich evil man – so that when a person turned up that actually was a threat to democracy, no one believed those cries anymore. My theory, from an outside perspective, is that Trump's continuing support says two things: 1) That there is a dangerous personality cult in play, fueled by social media and culture war mechanisms 2) His support, despite everything we know about him, is a sign that the "establishment" has failed miserably. The conservative establishment, yes – but mainly the left-of-center establishment with wokeness, social justice and all that stuff. People are sick and tired of it and are therefore willing to go with this dangerous man despite his very visible shortcomings. Edit: And 3) That the situation in the USA has become really bad, with the drug epidemic, illegal immigration, inflation , real estate markets and lots of problems that do not have any obvious political solution.
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Post by jeffrey on May 31, 2024 18:28:45 GMT -5
I wasn’t a Trump supporter in 2016. I wanted him to win because I supported the Republican Party. But I believed the mainstream media for two years about Trump. Spent all of 2017 ignoring politics, believing Trump was awful. Remember, I was a big Mitt Romney fan from 2008 to 2016. Romney didn’t run in 2016, though. I have since realized Mitt for the snake he is. Then in January 2018, I looked into Russiagate on my own. And I realized the media lies about Trump to a literally insane degree that I quickly became a Trump fan. I was lied to by the media. The recent bloodbath outrage just shows how manufactured all of this is. And no, Trump is not like Hitler. 🙄 Been a Trump fan since 2018, and haven’t looked back. I’m sick of the establishment. I think you are correct that "the media" lies and exagerates about Trump. But I do not think for a second that he is not a narcissistic con man. I think it is quite obvious. However, I think that the way the media has treated him makes it harder to distinguish the actual problems with the guy. For every "bloodbath" speech scandal there is the attempt to overthrow the election, the fawning over dictators, the narcissism and absolutely insane things he actually says and does. Also, in the same vein, they cried "wolf" too many times in the past. George Bush was portrayed as a theocrat, John McCain as an extremist, Mitt Romney as a rich evil man – so that when a person turned up that actually was a threat to democracy, no one believed those cries anymore. My theory, from an outside perspective, is that Trump's continuing support says two things: 1) That there is a dangerous personality cult in play, fueled by social media and culture war mechanisms 2) His support, despite everything we know about him, is a sign that the "establishment" has failed miserably. The conservative establishment, yes – but mainly the left-of-center establishment with wokeness, social justice and all that stuff. People are sick and tired of it and are therefore willing to go with this dangerous man despite his very visible shortcomings. Edit: And 3) That the situation in the USA has become really bad, with the drug epidemic, illegal immigration, inflation , real estate markets and lots of problems that do not have any obvious political solution. This is as spot on as anyone has been on the topic. It’s truly an unbelievable level of insight/understanding, particularly for someone on the outside looking it. Bravo!
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Post by jeffrey on May 31, 2024 21:36:36 GMT -5
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Post by globe on Jun 1, 2024 1:49:36 GMT -5
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Post by globe on Jun 1, 2024 1:51:20 GMT -5
Is everyone forgetting that this sack of shit also tried to overturn an election and encouraged his supporters to kill Mike Pence? All because the baby can’t handle losing? I mean, how can any fair minded person even consider supporting somebody like that?
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 1, 2024 11:50:01 GMT -5
I wasn’t a Trump supporter in 2016. I wanted him to win because I supported the Republican Party. But I believed the mainstream media for two years about Trump. Spent all of 2017 ignoring politics, believing Trump was awful. Remember, I was a big Mitt Romney fan from 2008 to 2016. Romney didn’t run in 2016, though. I have since realized Mitt for the snake he is. Then in January 2018, I looked into Russiagate on my own. And I realized the media lies about Trump to a literally insane degree that I quickly became a Trump fan. I was lied to by the media. The recent bloodbath outrage just shows how manufactured all of this is. And no, Trump is not like Hitler. 🙄 Been a Trump fan since 2018, and haven’t looked back. I’m sick of the establishment. Mitt Romney, one of the only sane and decent Republicans left, that really says it all about the current Republican party…. And, the Russia investigation, Trump was exonerated by one person, by the attorney general he appointed, Bill Barr, and now he and Trump don’t get along because Barr wouldn’t lie about the 2020 election and say it was rigged. God bless. Romney is against it…. "Bragg should have settled the case against Trump, as would have been the normal procedure. But he made a political decision," Romney told his biographer McKay Coppins, a writer at the Atlantic. His office confirmed the comments to Fox News Digital. “Bragg may have won the battle, for now, but he may have lost the political war," he warned. "Democrats think they can put out the Trump fire with oxygen. It's political malpractice." Romney previously suggested President Biden had made a mistake in not opting to pardon Trump, his political opponent. "You may disagree with this, but had I been President Biden, when the Justice Department brought on indictments, I would have immediately pardoned him," Romney said in a mid-May interview on MSNBC. "I'd have pardoned President Trump. Why? Well, because it makes me, President Biden, the big guy and the person I pardoned a little guy," the senator added. www.foxnews.com/politics/romney-bragg-political-decision-trump-case-malpracticeGood tidings.
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Post by tiger40 on Jun 1, 2024 12:55:11 GMT -5
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Post by Let It Bleed on Jun 1, 2024 14:44:38 GMT -5
Mitt Romney, one of the only sane and decent Republicans left, that really says it all about the current Republican party…. And, the Russia investigation, Trump was exonerated by one person, by the attorney general he appointed, Bill Barr, and now he and Trump don’t get along because Barr wouldn’t lie about the 2020 election and say it was rigged. God bless. Romney is against it…. "Bragg should have settled the case against Trump, as would have been the normal procedure. But he made a political decision," Romney told his biographer McKay Coppins, a writer at the Atlantic. His office confirmed the comments to Fox News Digital. “Bragg may have won the battle, for now, but he may have lost the political war," he warned. "Democrats think they can put out the Trump fire with oxygen. It's political malpractice." Romney previously suggested President Biden had made a mistake in not opting to pardon Trump, his political opponent. "You may disagree with this, but had I been President Biden, when the Justice Department brought on indictments, I would have immediately pardoned him," Romney said in a mid-May interview on MSNBC. "I'd have pardoned President Trump. Why? Well, because it makes me, President Biden, the big guy and the person I pardoned a little guy," the senator added. www.foxnews.com/politics/romney-bragg-political-decision-trump-case-malpracticeGood tidings. That’s not a compliment or endorsement of Trump…. God bless.
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Post by NYR on Jun 1, 2024 21:12:15 GMT -5
Donald Trump was very popular in the 1980s and 1990s. People only started hating him in the 2000s when he switched to the Republican Party and ran as president. The whole decade long outrage is so manufactured. Everything you said was wrong. Firstly, he was a registered Republican from 1987-1999. He was only a registered Democrat from 2001-2009. Not to mention the fact that he ran for President in 2000 with the Reform Party. So your timeline doesn't match up. Secondly, he was never popular, at least in New York. He was always seen by New Yorkers as a joke; a shameless attention-seeker who would do and say anything to get his name and photo in the press. (That's why he was always on Howard Stern's show.) And we all knew him to have an ego large enough to be visible from outer space; on 9/11/01, mere hours after the Twin Towers had fallen, he bragged on live TV that one of his buildings was now the tallest building in Lower Manhattan. (It wasn't, by the way.) We in New York knew him to be a wannabe Don Juan who cheated on wife #2 with wife #1, and then wife #3 with wife #2. And we knew that no business genius would lose money on a casino in Atlantic City. We knew that his buildings were shoddily made and that he barely paid businesses. His life has always been gold veneer. A rich kid who was born on third but talked and acted like he hit a triple. He was never liked by the people he most wanted acceptance from: New York's elite. They rightly saw him as the definition of the vulgarian nouveau riche; gawdy, ostentatious, crass, and vulgar. They eschewed him, which is why he had to open up his own private clubs and golf courses. He did gain wider prominence due to The Apprentice, but people outside of New York started to hate him not because he was a Republican. It's because he was the nation's most prominent birther. (You know, that racist conspiracy theory that claimed Barack Obama wasn't an American?) It's because he called Mexicans "rapist and criminals" when announcing his candidacy for President in 2015. It's because he tried banning Muslims from entering the United States. It's because he is a bully and a huckster who peddles in faux populism and division, racism and unhinged conspiracy theories. Unless you think those things are all Republican values? And now, he's a convicted felon.
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on Jun 2, 2024 3:05:47 GMT -5
Donald Trump was very popular in the 1980s and 1990s. People only started hating him in the 2000s when he switched to the Republican Party and ran as president. The whole decade long outrage is so manufactured. Everything you said was wrong. Firstly, he was a registered Republican from 1987-1999. He was only a registered Democrat from 2001-2009. Not to mention the fact that he ran for President in 2000 with the Reform Party. So your timeline doesn't match up. Secondly, he was never popular, at least in New York. He was always seen by New Yorkers as a joke; a shameless attention-seeker who would do and say anything to get his name and photo in the press. (That's why he was always on Howard Stern's show.) And we all knew him to have an ego large enough to be visible from outer space; on 9/11/01, mere hours after the Twin Towers had fallen, he bragged on live TV that one of his buildings was now the tallest building in Lower Manhattan. (It wasn't, by the way.) We in New York knew him to be a wannabe Don Juan who cheated on wife #2 with wife #1, and then wife #3 with wife #2. And we knew that no business genius would lose money on a casino in Atlantic City. We knew that his buildings were shoddily made and that he barely paid businesses. His life has always been gold veneer. A rich kid who was born on third but talked and acted like he hit a triple. He was never liked by the people he most wanted acceptance from: New York's elite. They rightly saw him as the definition of the vulgarian nouveau riche; gawdy, ostentatious, crass, and vulgar. They eschewed him, which is why he had to open up his own private clubs and golf courses. He did gain wider prominence due to The Apprentice, but people outside of New York started to hate him not because he was a Republican. It's because he was the nation's most prominent birther. (You know, that racist conspiracy theory that claimed Barack Obama wasn't an American?) It's because he called Mexicans "rapist and criminals" when announcing his candidacy for President in 2015. It's because he tried banning Muslims from entering the United States. It's because he is a bully and a huckster who peddles in faux populism and division, racism and unhinged conspiracy theories. Unless you think those things are all Republican values? And now, he's a convicted felon. And a certain Australian senator hero (who still doesn't know he lies on COVID 19).
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Post by NYR on Jun 2, 2024 6:54:17 GMT -5
It wasn't a "hush money" case, by the way. It was an election interference case, which are felonies.
Trump was convicted of illegally falsifying business records to hide hush money payments made to women during the 2016 election. These payments aimed to prevent damaging stories about him and those hush money payments from surfacing, thus influencing the 2016 election outcome, which was won by a few thousand votes in a few states. This included using shell companies and disguising transactions to conceal the true nature of the payments.
For those in the back, THIS WAS AN ELECTION INTERFERENCE CASE.
Meanwhile, interesting strategy for him to shit on the judge that's going to sentence him in July. Bold, even. Let's see how it plays out for him.
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Post by NYR on Jun 2, 2024 7:16:24 GMT -5
Romney is against it…. "Bragg should have settled the case against Trump, as would have been the normal procedure. But he made a political decision," Romney told his biographer McKay Coppins, a writer at the Atlantic. His office confirmed the comments to Fox News Digital. “Bragg may have won the battle, for now, but he may have lost the political war," he warned. "Democrats think they can put out the Trump fire with oxygen. It's political malpractice." Romney previously suggested President Biden had made a mistake in not opting to pardon Trump, his political opponent. "You may disagree with this, but had I been President Biden, when the Justice Department brought on indictments, I would have immediately pardoned him," Romney said in a mid-May interview on MSNBC. "I'd have pardoned President Trump. Why? Well, because it makes me, President Biden, the big guy and the person I pardoned a little guy," the senator added. www.foxnews.com/politics/romney-bragg-political-decision-trump-case-malpracticeGood tidings. Three things. First, this was a state case, which means Trump can only be pardoned by the governor of said state. Also, I thought Republicans were all about states' rights… what changed? Second, the Supreme Court said in Burdick v United States (1915) a pardon carries an imputation of guilt and that acceptance carries a confession of guilt. Other courts have echoed that since. So take that as you will. Third, why would any Democrat pardon Trump? Does he not remember that Trump was impeached for trying to coerce Ukraine and other countries into providing damaging narratives about Biden to help his chances in the 2020 election, illegally withholding congressionally-mandated military aid packages to do so? Does he not remember this is the "lock her up" guy who threatened to jail Hillary Clinton countless times? Does he not remember that this was the guy whose rhetoric inspired supporters to attempt to overthrow the government in a literal coup against the country? Please, tell me. Why in the fresh hell should any Democrat treat this felon and rapist with kid gloves and empathy? Are we all going to join hands and sing "Kumbaya" afterwards? FFS… On another note, remember when Trump said Hillary should drop out because she was under investigation? How about being a convicted felon with two more trials set to be underway in the next year or so?
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on Jun 2, 2024 10:25:08 GMT -5
Alex Jones thinks Biden is after him.
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on Jun 2, 2024 17:59:05 GMT -5
Hmm...
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 3, 2024 3:12:40 GMT -5
Donald Trump/Elon Musk
I know Musk can’t run as he’s not a natural citizen, but let’s pretend.
Do you think Trump would consider and/or pick Musk as his running mate if he could?
How much traction do you think a Trump/Musk ticket would garner?
It’s a shame it can’t happen - a Trump team up with Musk would be unstoppable. (Imagine a Elon Musk and Kamala Harris debate!).
Thoughts?
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 3, 2024 3:15:41 GMT -5
As for presidential prosecution, why is George W. Bush still a free man? Not only that, but the left love W. Bush now (absurd, but the left have turned into the pro war party). What W. did was infinitely worse than Trump’s bookkeeping ‘error.’ War Criminal.
Bill Clinton deserves some investigations, too. And of course Biden (goes without saying, he’s corrupt as hell). Even Obama wouldn’t go unscathed.
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Post by mimmihopps on Jun 3, 2024 4:10:14 GMT -5
Donald Trump/Elon Musk I know Musk can’t run as he’s not a natural citizen, but let’s pretend. Do you think Trump would consider and/or pick Musk as his running mate if he could? How much traction do you think a Trump/Musk ticket would garner? It’s a shame it can’t happen - a Trump team up with Musk would be unstoppable. (Imagine a Elon Musk and Kamala Harris debate!). Thoughts? Trump and Musk, sort seeks sort.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 3, 2024 4:28:49 GMT -5
Okay, so the appeal process only begins once Trump is sentenced in July. Is there anyway for the case to be expedited? Could SCOTUS hear the case before the 2024 election, such is the importance of fast tracking the case? Because if Trump loses the election because of the conviction, only for the conviction to be over turned after the election, all hell would break loose because it really would be a stolen election/election interference. The appeal needs to be heard before people vote. Or will SCOTUS even want to wade into the political fight? Would SCOTUS choose not to hear the case as to not get involved? So for those who understand the legal system ( jeffrey) how soon can the appeal be heard? Can it be expedited? Can it be heard before the election? Will SCOTUS get involved and how quickly?
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Post by globe on Jun 3, 2024 6:38:24 GMT -5
Donald Trump/Elon Musk I know Musk can’t run as he’s not a natural citizen, but let’s pretend. Do you think Trump would consider and/or pick Musk as his running mate if he could? How much traction do you think a Trump/Musk ticket would garner? It’s a shame it can’t happen - a Trump team up with Musk would be unstoppable. (Imagine a Elon Musk and Kamala Harris debate!). Thoughts? You really have went down the rabbit hole eh? BTW, its been over 3 years now and we still have not heard your thoughts an opinions on what happened on 06/01/21, sorry 01/06/21. Bit weird since you are clearly well in to politics and indeed even studied it for a number of years. Perhaps you can use this thread to address that since you continue to support the guy who tried to overturn a democratic, fair election?
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Post by jeffrey on Jun 3, 2024 7:18:20 GMT -5
Okay, so the appeal process only begins once Trump is sentenced in July. Is there anyway for the case to be expedited? Could SCOTUS hear the case before the 2024 election, such is the importance of fast tracking the case? Because if Trump loses the election because of the conviction, only for the conviction to be over turned after the election, all hell would break loose because it really would be a stolen election/election interference. The appeal needs to be heard before people vote. Or will SCOTUS even want to wade into the political fight? Would SCOTUS choose not to hear the case as to not get involved? So for those who understand the legal system ( jeffrey) how soon can the appeal be heard? Can it be expedited? Can it be heard before the election? Will SCOTUS get involved and how quickly? Trump will have 30 days after sentencing to file appeal and it will be decided by the appellate court. There is no strict statutory guideline for timeline on appeal process. Depending on the number of issues for consideration in the appeal, it could easily take over a year. There is an option to file a motion for expedited appeal, but in my opinion, this would be a poor choice. You don’t want to rush a decision or put judges on a time clock. SCOTUS is essentially the last option. Must go through local appellate circuit, then state court of appeals prior to it being heard federally.
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Post by globe on Jun 3, 2024 7:25:01 GMT -5
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Jun 3, 2024 8:19:11 GMT -5
Donald Trump/Elon Musk I know Musk can’t run as he’s not a natural citizen, but let’s pretend. Do you think Trump would consider and/or pick Musk as his running mate if he could? How much traction do you think a Trump/Musk ticket would garner? It’s a shame it can’t happen - a Trump team up with Musk would be unstoppable. (Imagine a Elon Musk and Kamala Harris debate!). Thoughts? You really have went down the rabbit hole eh? BTW, its been over 3 years now and we still have not heard your thoughts an opinions on what happened on 06/01/21, sorry 01/06/21. Bit weird since you are clearly well in to politics and indeed even studied it for a number of years. Perhaps you can use this thread to address that since you continue to support the guy who tried to overturn a democratic, fair election? He won't answer you about this I have asked him numerous times and get no response
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Post by Let It Bleed on Jun 3, 2024 9:03:39 GMT -5
Donald Trump/Elon Musk I know Musk can’t run as he’s not a natural citizen, but let’s pretend. Do you think Trump would consider and/or pick Musk as his running mate if he could? How much traction do you think a Trump/Musk ticket would garner? It’s a shame it can’t happen - a Trump team up with Musk would be unstoppable. (Imagine a Elon Musk and Kamala Harris debate!). Thoughts? eva has this bumper sticker on her coché…. God bless.
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Jun 3, 2024 11:15:05 GMT -5
So all those times he called for Hilary Clinton to be locked up, guess what and you might want to sit down for this he now reckons he never said it, fuck me the man will literally lie about anything
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Post by halftheworldaway91 on Jun 3, 2024 12:20:01 GMT -5
So all those times he called for Hilary Clinton to be locked up, guess what and you might want to sit down for this he now reckons he never said it, fuck me the man will literally lie about anything All politicians lie
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