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Post by yogurt on Jan 13, 2024 3:46:58 GMT -5
So hypothetically for Liam to have a number 1 single or even come close - He clearly needs to make a one off single with no album announcement yet, similar to this. That achieves the order side of things and gets him to number 1 initially and on sales overall. He would then need the song to be featured on an advert or film a couple of weeks prior. Probably perform it on a few shows that week etc. Maybe something of the scale of one love concert again. There's a lot of factors you'd need now unnecessarily to get it high in the charts. I think #16 is a massive success for the song though and shows the album will be #1 and a worthwhile project. Just hope the songs improve a bit. Pretty much. Its a different ball game now, especially with streaming, Spotify playlists that are essentially curated by the industry and the new artists they want to push. So technically speaking if I'm opening a playlist curated by industry folk via Spotify, put it on as background music while I clean the house, those streams are contributing towards a chart positions, despite me not really seeking a particular song I want. Now I personally don't listen to music that way, but millions of people do. So what goes on their big suggested playlists, curated by people in the music industry is basically dictating what becomes the most streamed song, often without people going out of their way to listen to it. Obviously in the past and still do have radio playlists where the major labels get the main slots for the artists. But that was for people to discover what they like, and then they had to decide to buy it. Now these curated playlists for streaming also act like the radio did, but your listening automatically contributes to the charting anyway. That's why I don't think chart positions today are much of a reflection of what people are getting into. The streams can be driven in certain directions on purpose much more easily than influencing people to go out of their way and purchase a single. |
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Post by themanwholivesinhell on Jan 13, 2024 7:50:31 GMT -5
So hypothetically for Liam to have a number 1 single or even come close - He clearly needs to make a one off single with no album announcement yet, similar to this. That achieves the order side of things and gets him to number 1 initially and on sales overall. He would then need the song to be featured on an advert or film a couple of weeks prior. Probably perform it on a few shows that week etc. Maybe something of the scale of one love concert again. There's a lot of factors you'd need now unnecessarily to get it high in the charts. I think #16 is a massive success for the song though and shows the album will be #1 and a worthwhile project. Just hope the songs improve a bit. Pretty much. Its a different ball game now, especially with streaming, Spotify playlists that are essentially curated by the industry and the new artists they want to push. So technically speaking if I'm opening a playlist curated by industry folk via Spotify, put it on as background music while I clean the house, those streams are contributing towards a chart positions, despite me not really seeking a particular song I want. Now I personally don't listen to music that way, but millions of people do. So what goes on their big suggested playlists, curated by people in the music industry is basically dictating what becomes the most streamed song, often without people going out of their way to listen to it. Obviously in the past and still do have radio playlists where the major labels get the main slots for the artists. But that was for people to discover what they like, and then they had to decide to buy it. Now these curated playlists for streaming also act like the radio did, but your listening automatically contributes to the charting anyway. That's why I don't think chart positions today are much of a reflection of what people are getting into. The streams can be driven in certain directions on purpose much more easily than influencing people to go out of their way and purchase a single. For older artists whose listeners lean more toward purchases, pretty much the only way for a #1 is a release that gets ultra-hyped by media as a special event. The epitome being Now And Then last year. You’ve only got to look at some recent ones; despite 9 UK no1 hits in their prime, the grand return of ABBA only just snagged one top 10 hit (#9). Literally, I doubt a hypothetical “Oasis comeback single” would crack the Top 5 now. |
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Post by themanwholivesinhell on Jan 13, 2024 7:55:23 GMT -5
So hypothetically for Liam to have a number 1 single or even come close - He clearly needs to make a one off single with no album announcement yet, similar to this. That achieves the order side of things and gets him to number 1 initially and on sales overall. He would then need the song to be featured on an advert or film a couple of weeks prior. Probably perform it on a few shows that week etc. Maybe something of the scale of one love concert again. There's a lot of factors you'd need now unnecessarily to get it high in the charts. I think #16 is a massive success for the song though and shows the album will be #1 and a worthwhile project. Just hope the songs improve a bit. 100%. To put things into perspective, just look how older and/or rock acts have fared on the UK Singles Chart in recent years; Radiohead haven’t made the Top 60 since 2008. Foo Fighters last made the Top 50 in 2011. Elton John’s last charting solo single was in 2005. U2 last made the Top 60 in 2009. Since Blur’s comeback in 2015, they’ve snagged one week at #81. The Killers’ most recent Top 40 song was in 2013. Robbie Williams has had one Top 40 hit since 2013, and no charting songs since 2016. Take That have scored one Top 40 hit since 2014. Collaborations aside, Paul McCartney hasn’t charted with a new song since 2007. Bruce Springsteen hasn’t made the Top 80 with anything new since 2002. Even the Arctic Monkeys have only made the top 20 once since 2013, and their fanbase is aimed more toward streaming. So #16 looks pretty good from where I’m standing. |
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Post by Goosey on Jan 13, 2024 9:13:14 GMT -5
So hypothetically for Liam to have a number 1 single or even come close - He clearly needs to make a one off single with no album announcement yet, similar to this. That achieves the order side of things and gets him to number 1 initially and on sales overall. He would then need the song to be featured on an advert or film a couple of weeks prior. Probably perform it on a few shows that week etc. Maybe something of the scale of one love concert again. There's a lot of factors you'd need now unnecessarily to get it high in the charts. I think #16 is a massive success for the song though and shows the album will be #1 and a worthwhile project. Just hope the songs improve a bit. 100%. To put things into perspective, just look how older and/or rock acts have fared on the UK Singles Chart in recent years; Radiohead haven’t made the Top 60 since 2008. Foo Fighters last made the Top 50 in 2011. Elton John’s last charting solo single was in 2005. U2 last made the Top 60 in 2009. Since Blur’s comeback in 2015, they’ve snagged one week at #81. The Killers’ most recent Top 40 song was in 2013. Robbie Williams has had one Top 40 hit since 2013, and no charting songs since 2016. Take That have scored one Top 40 hit since 2014. Collaborations aside, Paul McCartney hasn’t charted with a new song since 2007. Bruce Springsteen hasn’t made the Top 80 with anything new since 2002. Even the Arctic Monkeys have only made the top 20 once since 2013, and their fanbase is aimed more toward streaming. So #16 looks pretty good from where I’m standing. None of those acts have fallen off a cliff and had to rebuild their career the way Liam did either. His comeback simply cannot be understated. |
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Post by walkersafc on Jan 13, 2024 10:18:31 GMT -5
I still think an oasis comeback single if strong enough would get number 1 for a week mind in the uk. LIam has done great though since the Beady Eye days. Not a fan off Just Another Rainbow. Like his vocal be melody is non existent and there lies the problem. Liam has the voice but he needs Noels tunes. Noel is a different league to the songwriters liam uses at the minute. Noel has the tunes but needs liams voice.
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Post by yogurt on Jan 13, 2024 10:32:45 GMT -5
I still think an oasis comeback single if strong enough would get number 1 for a week mind in the uk. LIam has done great though since the Beady Eye days. Not a fan off Just Another Rainbow. Like his vocal be melody is non existent and there lies the problem. Liam has the voice but he needs Noels tunes. Noel is a different league to the songwriters liam uses at the minute. Noel has the tunes but needs liams voice. I think Oasis could get high charting single simply because it would be anticipated, due to them reuniting if they ever did. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if got nowhere near Number 1 either. You can't underestimate the amount of people streaming tunes, a demographic so far removed from being interested in Oasis. Taylor Swift and some of these K- Pop acts among others can get more streams or youtube views within 3 days of releasing something than your big name rock acts from the past few decades can get in a year, combined. Insane numbers. So it would be dependant on what's out at the time. Different world now with streaming. Foo Fighters can sell out stadiums for fun worldwide, yet cant get single anywhere near the charts in the UK. That's why I say you can't underestimate the amount of people streaming that have completely different interests in music. Number 16 is pretty fucking decent all things considered, so I reckon Oasis would do well, at least top 10. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 13, 2024 11:18:58 GMT -5
A reunion Oasis single could get to #1 but it’s going to have to be engineered just right.
1) It has to be a week when no major star has a new single coming out or a monster song still dominating the top spot.
2) It needs a vinyl presale to bank a large quantity of sales to drive it to top 10 status minimum.
3) It needs to drop on radio, streaming outlets and video all have to come out on the same day and time. Need all those metrics to count for the 7 day window.
4) It needs to land on extremely popular Apple Music and Spotify playlists to get as many casual generic listeners as possible to stream it.
5) Noel and Liam needs to do major media outlet interviews together.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jan 13, 2024 11:51:53 GMT -5
I still think an oasis comeback single if strong enough would get number 1 for a week mind in the uk. LIam has done great though since the Beady Eye days. Not a fan off Just Another Rainbow. Like his vocal be melody is non existent and there lies the problem. Liam has the voice but he needs Noels tunes. Noel is a different league to the songwriters liam uses at the minute. Noel has the tunes but needs liams voice. Liam doesn’t need Noel’s tunes anymore than Noel needs Liam’s voice. If the last few years have proved anything, it’s that. |
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Post by willm80 on Jan 13, 2024 12:42:47 GMT -5
I still think an oasis comeback single if strong enough would get number 1 for a week mind in the uk. LIam has done great though since the Beady Eye days. Not a fan off Just Another Rainbow. Like his vocal be melody is non existent and there lies the problem. Liam has the voice but he needs Noels tunes. Noel is a different league to the songwriters liam uses at the minute. Noel has the tunes but needs liams voice. Don't buy this, personally. Agreed that the melody on Just Another Rainbow is weak, but he's got some brilliant melodies from his solo career. I'm scpetical of Squire being Liam's songwriter, but Wyatt, Kurstin and Aldred have done a great job for Liam so far. I hope he goes back to them once the Squire experiment is done. |
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Post by tiger40 on Jan 13, 2024 13:07:56 GMT -5
I still think an oasis comeback single if strong enough would get number 1 for a week mind in the uk. LIam has done great though since the Beady Eye days. Not a fan off Just Another Rainbow. Like his vocal be melody is non existent and there lies the problem. Liam has the voice but he needs Noels tunes. Noel is a different league to the songwriters liam uses at the minute. Noel has the tunes but needs liams voice. Liam doesn’t need Noel’s tunes anymore than Noel needs Liam’s voice. If the last few years have proved anything, it’s that. I totally agree with you there and let's face it even Noel hasn't written anything really mind blowing since going solo. Yes, I like a lot of his solo stuff but I know that he's written better songs in the past. |
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Post by tiger40 on Jan 13, 2024 13:10:53 GMT -5
I still think an oasis comeback single if strong enough would get number 1 for a week mind in the uk. LIam has done great though since the Beady Eye days. Not a fan off Just Another Rainbow. Like his vocal be melody is non existent and there lies the problem. Liam has the voice but he needs Noels tunes. Noel is a different league to the songwriters liam uses at the minute. Noel has the tunes but needs liams voice. Don't buy this, personally. Agreed that the melody on Just Another Rainbow is weak, but he's got some brilliant melodies from his solo career. I'm scpetical of Squire being Liam's songwriter, but Wyatt, Kurstin and Aldred have done a great job for Liam so far. I hope he goes back to them once the Squire experiment is done. I totally agree with you and Wyatt, Kurstin and Alred are better song writers than Squire. |
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Post by tiger40 on Jan 13, 2024 13:14:40 GMT -5
As for streaming, while I stream a lot these days and I get why it's now included in the charts but in a way I wish that it wasn't and the charts were still based on physical sales but sadly times change.
Number 16 is still a good and decent number though compaired to other artists mentioned here.
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Post by Firefly on Jan 13, 2024 13:31:45 GMT -5
Liam doesn’t need Noel’s tunes anymore than Noel needs Liam’s voice. If the last few years have proved anything, it’s that. I totally agree with you there and let's face it even Noel hasn't written anything really mind blowing since going solo. Yes, I like a lot of his solo stuff but I know that he's written better songs in the past. If I Had A Gun, Everybody's On The Run, Alone on the Rope, Dead In The Water, Broken Arrow not mind blowing? Those are some absolute gems, certainly blow my mind anyway. I'd add Simple Game of Genius, a superb song, masterpiece to my ears. Think Of A Number is up there. Lot of those songs above many Oasis songs imo. |
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Post by tiger40 on Jan 13, 2024 13:47:10 GMT -5
I totally agree with you there and let's face it even Noel hasn't written anything really mind blowing since going solo. Yes, I like a lot of his solo stuff but I know that he's written better songs in the past. If I Had A Gun, Everybody's On The Run, Alone on the Rope, Dead In The Water, Broken Arrow not mind blowing? Those are some absolute gems, certainly blow my mind anyway. I'd add Simple Game of Genius, a superb song, masterpiece to my ears. Think Of A Number is up there. Lot of those songs above many Oasis songs imo. They are good songs but I don't find them mind blowing. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jan 13, 2024 14:02:04 GMT -5
I also think people are counting out Squire a little prematurely.
Sure Kurstin and Wyatt are better at writing pop songs but that’s not what Squire is aiming for, or Liam tbf
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jan 13, 2024 14:13:46 GMT -5
They wanted to avoid making an album where the musicianship sounded “mechanical”. “Perfection is subjective, isn’t it?” suggests Squire. He adds that he often likes “something that’s slightly out of time, a little bit sloppy. There’s plenty of percussion on Stones and Beatles records that’s off the mark and yet it’s perfect".It's so nice to hear a musician take this stance. I think John Squire is right, and I think the 'mechanical' sounding records of today sound lifeless and robotic. It all adds to that mass produced, manufactured feel. Everything precision oriented to perfection. Many listeners prefer raw authenticity, and without it, its lifeless and soulless. I wish acts would get back to recording live more or less. Leave the imperfections and the rough edges. It's what made so many of those classic Oasis singles great. God, imagine rough and ready songs like Columbia or Bring It On Down being tidied up by major record labels in the studio. It doesn't bear thinking about. Very enjoyable interview, realised just how ultra rare it is to hear from Squire. Yes to all that. JAR sounds to me like a band actually playing, it doesn’t have the horrible sheen on it most modern productions have. |
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Post by themanwholivesinhell on Jan 13, 2024 15:47:22 GMT -5
100%. To put things into perspective, just look how older and/or rock acts have fared on the UK Singles Chart in recent years; Radiohead haven’t made the Top 60 since 2008. Foo Fighters last made the Top 50 in 2011. Elton John’s last charting solo single was in 2005. U2 last made the Top 60 in 2009. Since Blur’s comeback in 2015, they’ve snagged one week at #81. The Killers’ most recent Top 40 song was in 2013. Robbie Williams has had one Top 40 hit since 2013, and no charting songs since 2016. Take That have scored one Top 40 hit since 2014. Collaborations aside, Paul McCartney hasn’t charted with a new song since 2007. Bruce Springsteen hasn’t made the Top 80 with anything new since 2002. Even the Arctic Monkeys have only made the top 20 once since 2013, and their fanbase is aimed more toward streaming. So #16 looks pretty good from where I’m standing. None of those acts have fallen off a cliff and had to rebuild their career the way Liam did either. His comeback simply cannot be understated. That is a good point tbh, seeing as how Beady Eye only managed one top 40 single across two albums, both of which were before the charts included streaming. |
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Post by sheisloved on Jan 13, 2024 17:50:42 GMT -5
I totally agree with you there and let's face it even Noel hasn't written anything really mind blowing since going solo. Yes, I like a lot of his solo stuff but I know that he's written better songs in the past. If I Had A Gun, Everybody's On The Run, Alone on the Rope, Dead In The Water, Broken Arrow not mind blowing? Those are some absolute gems, certainly blow my mind anyway. I'd add Simple Game of Genius, a superb song, masterpiece to my ears. Think Of A Number is up there. Lot of those songs above many Oasis songs imo. It really is personal preference. If you love these great. For me they are all above average at best. I'd put Dead in the Water at the top. Simple game is a non factor for me. If I had a gun was extremely over produced and so was everybody's on the run. |
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Post by matt on Jan 13, 2024 18:11:27 GMT -5
A reunion Oasis single could get to #1 but it’s going to have to be engineered just right. 1) It has to be a week when no major star has a new single coming out or a monster song still dominating the top spot. 2) It needs a vinyl presale to bank a large quantity of sales to drive it to top 10 status minimum. 3) It needs to drop on radio, streaming outlets and video all have to come out on the same day and time. Need all those metrics to count for the 7 day window. 4) It needs to land on extremely popular Apple Music and Spotify playlists to get as many casual generic listeners as possible to stream it. 5) Noel and Liam needs to do major media outlet interviews together. Given an Oasis reunion would revert back to Noel's management, you'll have to save this draft so as to give Ignition some PR tips. They would probably still announce a CD release and put it on the airwaves 6 weeks before release.... |
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Post by matt on Jan 13, 2024 18:16:42 GMT -5
Bizarre as it sounds but I think Liam doing his collaborations would be more adventurous in spirit than an Oasis reunion.
Noel and his team would be leading the charge with it. Given Noel's conservatism in constantly producing staid sounding albums like they're from the 1960s (apart from Built The Moon), his songwriting regression back to stodgy mid tempo songs and his do-it-yourself PR team, I don't think the results would be all that.
A John Squire collaboration ain't the top of my list when it comes to a Liam project, but I'd rather this than a half assed reunion effort that would be inevitable with Noel's team.
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Post by PepsiNebula on Jan 13, 2024 19:21:40 GMT -5
Noel and his team would be leading the charge with it. Given Noel's conservatism in constantly producing staid sounding albums like they're from the 1960s (apart from Built The Moon), his songwriting regression back to stodgy mid tempo songs and his do-it-yourself PR team, I don't think the results would be all that. IDK man, 60s-era stuff is a lot more varied and adventurous than most of Noel does. Some of what David Holmes has done away from Noel, for example with Unloved, sounds way more like the 60s than literally any Noel song I can think of. |
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Post by matt on Jan 13, 2024 20:16:57 GMT -5
Noel and his team would be leading the charge with it. Given Noel's conservatism in constantly producing staid sounding albums like they're from the 1960s (apart from Built The Moon), his songwriting regression back to stodgy mid tempo songs and his do-it-yourself PR team, I don't think the results would be all that. IDK man, 60s-era stuff is a lot more varied and adventurous than most of Noel does. Some of what David Holmes has done away from Noel, for example with Unloved, sounds way more like the 60s than literally any Noel song I can think of. I agree with you there. I’m not that clued up on the niche influences Holmes provided but I’m sure they are more wondrous than Noel’s staple choices, hence the more expansive sound of Who Built The Moon. Barring that lapse (and sadly that’s all it is, for all his talk of doing musical u-turns he ran away from it) Noel’s sound sticks to a muffled and primitive garage rock vibe from the more meat and potatoes 60s influences. Ever since Heathen Chemistry (leaving Who Built The Moon out of it), all his records sound really undercooked, drab and unambitious. |
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Post by jeffrey on Jan 13, 2024 22:17:26 GMT -5
I totally agree with you there and let's face it even Noel hasn't written anything really mind blowing since going solo. Yes, I like a lot of his solo stuff but I know that he's written better songs in the past. If I Had A Gun, Everybody's On The Run, Alone on the Rope, Dead In The Water, Broken Arrow not mind blowing? Those are some absolute gems, certainly blow my mind anyway. I'd add Simple Game of Genius, a superb song, masterpiece to my ears. Think Of A Number is up there. Lot of those songs above many Oasis songs imo. Mindblowing!?!?! You genuinely believe these songs are essentially masterpieces (mindblowing)? I understand we’re fanatics, but I find it hard to believe anyone finds these specific tunes to be phenomenal. I don’t think anything released by either brother reaches the heights of their apex. I reckon Oasis have somewhere near 10-15 otherworldly tunes, around the same amount of great ones and 30-40 very good songs. I don’t think either brother has released anything sincerely undeniable since going solo. The best of Noel is missing Liam and vice versa. |
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Post by Firefly on Jan 14, 2024 4:35:06 GMT -5
If I Had A Gun, Everybody's On The Run, Alone on the Rope, Dead In The Water, Broken Arrow not mind blowing? Those are some absolute gems, certainly blow my mind anyway. I'd add Simple Game of Genius, a superb song, masterpiece to my ears. Think Of A Number is up there. Lot of those songs above many Oasis songs imo. Mindblowing!?!?! You genuinely believe these songs are essentially masterpieces (mindblowing)? I understand we’re fanatics, but I find it hard to believe anyone finds these specific tunes to be phenomenal. I don’t think anything released by either brother reaches the heights of their apex. I reckon Oasis have somewhere near 10-15 otherworldly tunes, around the same amount of great ones and 30-40 very good songs. I don’t think either brother has released anything sincerely undeniable since going solo. The best of Noel is missing Liam and vice versa. Yeah they are to me. My ears are telling me that Noel didn't peak as a songwriter 30 years ago. He did some of his best stuff going solo. Alone On The Rope is head and shoulders above 95% of Oasis catalogue. Do I miss the classic guitar riff and the rock sound in his solo career? Absolutely. Does a song that doesn't have a classic guitar riff and rock sound automatically lesser? No. I don't care if the songs don't have Liam singing them I got over that 15 years ago. I value melody and basslines (distinctive basslines is something lacking in lot of Oasis catalogue). While I'm at it The Man Who Built The Moon track wipes the floor with most of Oasis catalogue as well. |
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Post by Firefly on Jan 14, 2024 4:44:31 GMT -5
If I Had A Gun, Everybody's On The Run, Alone on the Rope, Dead In The Water, Broken Arrow not mind blowing? Those are some absolute gems, certainly blow my mind anyway. I'd add Simple Game of Genius, a superb song, masterpiece to my ears. Think Of A Number is up there. Lot of those songs above many Oasis songs imo. It really is personal preference. If you love these great. For me they are all above average at best. I'd put Dead in the Water at the top. Simple game is a non factor for me. If I had a gun was extremely over produced and so was everybody's on the run. Yep personal preference. In the last 10 years or so I listen more to Noel's solo and select songs of Liam's than I do Oasis but maybe that's because I've been listening to Oasis for 30 years. I've got a playlist of Oasis top 21 and I mostly listen to that. I will give albums a spin every now and then but most are just so patchy. |
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