Lundblad
Oasis Roadie
Nothing ever lasts forever
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Post by Lundblad on Jan 12, 2024 7:08:26 GMT -5
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Post by joladella on Jan 12, 2024 7:34:25 GMT -5
Quite! I giggled at "might".
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Post by andymorris on Jan 12, 2024 9:04:44 GMT -5
= We need Liam's non sense for headlines and Squire to tell us what's really happening in the actual article.
I always wondered how big mouthed guys got along so well with soft spokens.
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on Jan 12, 2024 9:28:30 GMT -5
It´s clear that Liam wasn´t happy with his last album. He took some digs at the sound of the album during the interviews. And after the release of Everything´s Electring he did a very low profile promotion, only talking about knebworth gigs and not talking about the album. He wasn´t very "enthusiastic" about it. But now he´s very confident about this new record. And i am very excited too! It looks like this will be a perfect combination for us who love Oasis and Stone Roses. Which lead me to (still) believe his first contract with Warner, he wasn't free to decide the musical direction, and he now is... Yeah. There's a definite shift after As You Were - I think AYW was Liam with a handful of songs, some unfinished, and Kurstin, Wyatt et al filling in the blanks. Then WMYN and particularly COYK more songwriters trying to replicate what was popular from AYW - an edgy lead single like Wall of Glass, a ballad like For What It's Worth, something a bit heavier, something that sounds more pop. But with experienced songwriters trying to make them as commercially appealing as possible. They lost Liam's raw edge along the way. It sounds like they've struck the right balance with Liam still effectively singing songs written by a more experienced songwriter, but someone who has credibility and authenticity that Liam can bounce off and influence. And Liam is popular enough that they could put his name, face and voice on anything and it will sell.
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Post by glider on Jan 12, 2024 10:09:47 GMT -5
Which lead me to (still) believe his first contract with Warner, he wasn't free to decide the musical direction, and he now is... Yeah. There's a definite shift after As You Were - I think AYW was Liam with a handful of songs, some unfinished, and Kurstin, Wyatt et al filling in the blanks. Then WMYN and particularly COYK more songwriters trying to replicate what was popular from AYW - an edgy lead single like Wall of Glass, a ballad like For What It's Worth, something a bit heavier, something that sounds more pop. But with experienced songwriters trying to make them as commercially appealing as possible. They lost Liam's raw edge along the way. It sounds like they've struck the right balance with Liam still effectively singing songs written by a more experienced songwriter, but someone who has credibility and authenticity that Liam can bounce off and influence. And Liam is popular enough that they could put his name, face and voice on anything and it will sell. Ehh, I think Kurstin and Wyatt at this point are better lyrical songwriters than Squire. This reminds me more of retreading the old Beady Eye formula which nearly tanked his career. What made Oasis in the 90s work was, as much as people don't want to hear this - it was largely the vision of one guy. He wrote the songs, developed the idea of the sound he wanted, the lyrics, and was able to pair this sonic vision with someone who could give those anthems a roaring voice. This was the blueprint. When Liam, Gem and Andy begun to get more creatively involved post-BHN, song quality did objectively begin to dip. Noel being the sole creative force with Liam delivering the vocal goods was the one two punch of what made Oasis one of the greatest. Squire isn't as good a songwriter as he was in '89 - and most of those songs then were co written with Ian. He took center stage in the creative process by the Second Coming and lyrically still held up here and there, but you could tell the quality had gone down. His penned tracks by the time Seahorses were around had great licks sure, but the melodies were plain and the lyrics were at most times bizarre and nonsensical. You could argue Helme's work was lyrically better! And there of course isn't much good to say about All For One. It'll be interesting to see what comes of the project as a whole, but I feel like we've been here before with Liam.
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yogurt
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Post by yogurt on Jan 12, 2024 10:23:49 GMT -5
Reading this, This is really the opposite of what happened on the previous records (at least the last two) Were they (Liam and Kurstin) criticized a lot in the industry about making plastic records ? Of is it that Liam felt he was going the wrong path ? It really feels like something happened, and Andrew Wyatt was kinda sidelined. We already get more details on how the album got made in this very early interview, how it sounds real and stuff. Encouraging. I think the main thing is Liam and Squire are pretty much coming from the same place musically. They both learned their craft in bands and I don't think their musical tastes are extremely different. So I think any vision they have musically is going to be somewhat similar. With Liam's albums, aside from his own songs, they seem to have songs that would probably be used somewhere else at some point if Liam hadn't used them. maybe they might not have been used by a famous singer, but the music may have ended up being some sync for a documentary or whatever, that's how a lot of these all rounder writers and producers make money. I think it was a case of writers just having songs and ideas firstly, and then trying them out to see if they work with Liam or not. There's nothing wrong with that per se, but I do think it's mostly just to get an album out for the label and fulfilling an obligation, rather than being a truly inspired piece of work from the artist. That's why a lot of Liam's solo music never sits right with me, not because someone else wrote it but because they didn't sound like they were written with a true understanding of the essence of Liam Gallagher in mind. I found a lot of the songs quite jarring because of that. That's where I think it'll differ with Squire. He knows what Liam is, they're essentially from the same musical lineage in the UK. Of course that doesn't guarantee a good album, the songs have to be good but I'm absolutely certain it'll sound like a more authentic and inspired album compared to some of the solo efforts.
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Post by GlastoEls on Jan 12, 2024 11:12:53 GMT -5
Just jumping in to say: I really love WMWN and COYK, the end products, no matter the process to get there!
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Post by supertronic on Jan 12, 2024 11:59:15 GMT -5
Landed at 16 on the chart. Nice to hear it playing in full on R1.
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Post by themanwholivesinhell on Jan 12, 2024 12:15:12 GMT -5
For a rock song by artists who’ve been around 30 years, #16 is pretty damn good. Apart from Now & Then, I can’t recall the last time a rock song by older artists got this high.
Angry by the Stones was raved about and played tons on radio last year, yet only hit #34. It also out-performed All For One despite the hype that dropped with, as that reached #17 in 2016.
And it’s only one place lower than the highest charting post-Oasis single by either Liam or Noel, which was The Death Of You and Me back in 2011. Before streaming even counted toward the chart.
Achievement 👍
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yogurt
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Post by yogurt on Jan 12, 2024 13:06:14 GMT -5
Landed at 16 on the chart. Nice to hear it playing in full on R1. Is anyone really that arsed about chart positions these days? I know it used to be a big deal but I don't think the public give a shit these day. You get songs like Mr Brightside sometimes appearing in the top 40 still, 20 years after it's release, simply because it gets streamed so much. With streaming now contributing and any song available to stream, the charts are barely a representation of what new music people are going out and getting into. I should imagine if streaming didn't contribute and you were reliant on a demographic of music lovers actually going out of their way to pay for a download or by a physical copy, you the charts would look different. But now you've got streams from peoples recommended Daily Mix and playlists they created contributing to chart positions. That's why I don't really think streaming should be included, and why I think charts now are basically nonsense and not worth caring about.
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Post by themanwholivesinhell on Jan 12, 2024 13:31:39 GMT -5
Landed at 16 on the chart. Nice to hear it playing in full on R1. Is anyone really that arsed about chart positions these days? I know it used to be a big deal but I don't think the public give a shit these day. You get songs like Mr Brightside sometimes appearing in the top 40 still, 20 years after it's release, simply because it gets streamed so much. With streaming now contributing and any song available to stream, the charts are barely a representation of what new music people are going out and getting into. I should imagine if streaming didn't contribute and you were reliant on a demographic of music lovers actually going out of their way to pay for a download or by a physical copy, you the charts would look different. But now you've got streams from peoples recommended Daily Mix and playlists they created contributing to chart positions. That's why I don't really think streaming should be included, and why I think charts now are basically nonsense and not worth caring about. Dont get me wrong, overall I totally think it screwed up the charts. Except mega-hyped releases like Now & Then, its near-impossible for pre-2000 acts to have Top 10 hits. Meanwhile most albums by older acts debut high but are off after 3 weeks, as half the albums top 100 are compilations that chart solely off streaming. But singles-wise, I would say that for older acts whose sales come from purchases, the chart still shows if a song was popular. As these days, an older act merely making the Top 40 shows their song genuinely made an impression.
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Post by chamu on Jan 12, 2024 13:59:12 GMT -5
This is the man who did the "The Guardian" interview.
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Goosey
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Post by Goosey on Jan 12, 2024 14:10:29 GMT -5
Brilliant position that.
Also buzzing to see Murder On The Dancefloor at number 2. Any older song getting so high has to be good for music. Unlucky for LG and JS though, if the film that has give Bextor the boost was released a week or 2 later then JAR would have been 15th.
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Post by tiger40 on Jan 12, 2024 14:17:12 GMT -5
The new album sounds really promising. Looking forward to it.
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Post by garylineker on Jan 12, 2024 14:38:44 GMT -5
I completely get that streams need to be reflected in the charts but the way they currently are completely goes against the meaning of the chart.
Streaming something numerous times isn't the same as going out and buying it once. So you are getting a reflection of what people are listening to but the point of the chart is to reflect what people have gone out and bought that week.
It's mad how the song can be number 1 on every other chart but 16 in the official one because of streams. That isn't reflecting new sales.
I know everyone will say it doesn't matter but it's bizarre how they work now.
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Post by garylineker on Jan 12, 2024 14:40:32 GMT -5
Usually the normal criticisms of something Liam related don't bother me at all. A lot of the shit Beady Eye got for some aspects of their songs was just overly critical because people just didn't want to like it. With this however I just wish someone listened and said that bit clearly doesn't work and those lyrics are just so nonsensical and don't even fit that well. It's not even psychedelic. Paying the bills, am I your windmill? I am lost for words at that. Liam will absolutely always have his critics with anything he releases but those around him (especially when they're writing lyrics for him) need to stop giving away so many open goals for them critics. Exactly my thoughts, the only thing I hate is that the critics probably think Liam wrote all of that and haven't bothered to put in 2 seconds of research when in truth John's to blame for such god-awful lyrics This is pretty much exactly how it played out on social media. Numerous comments that Squires instrumental is class and "ruined" by Liam's lyrics. Quite similar to how everyone bashed Liam's writing on Chinatown and the credits come out to show he'd not even written it.
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Post by themanwholivesinhell on Jan 12, 2024 14:54:11 GMT -5
Brilliant position that. Also buzzing to see Murder On The Dancefloor at number 2. Any older song getting so high has to be good for music. Unlucky for LG and JS though, if the film that has give Bextor the boost was released a week or 2 later then JAR would have been 15th. Yeah its one I've fond memories of tbh, as it came out just as I was becoming a 5-year-old pop music fanatic. Used to read Smash Hits and watch TOTP every week....I remember its music vid and I had the Now compilation it was on. Plus I later found it was written by Gregg Alexander formerly of the New Radicals, and I always liked You Get What You Give. Also its made me feel damn old. As my sister wasn't born til 2004 but loved the film, so its now like a golden oldie for her that she didn't know before but now always has on. Like I posted earlier this week, it seems set to be this year's Running Up That Hill.
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Post by themanwholivesinhell on Jan 12, 2024 15:02:37 GMT -5
I completely get that streams need to be reflected in the charts but the way they currently are completely goes against the meaning of the chart. Streaming something numerous times isn't the same as going out and buying it once. So you are getting a reflection of what people are listening to but the point of the chart is to reflect what people have gone out and bought that week. It's mad how the song can be number 1 on every other chart but 16 in the official one because of streams. That isn't reflecting new sales. I know everyone will say it doesn't matter but it's bizarre how they work now. Ive said for years that they should place some limit on how many times per week a streaming account can play a song, after which they stop counting toward the charts. It would put an end to everyone playing it on repeat all night while they're asleep, and all that nonsense some younger pop fans do.
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Post by PepsiNebula on Jan 12, 2024 15:24:11 GMT -5
Brilliant position that. Also buzzing to see Murder On The Dancefloor at number 2. Any older song getting so high has to be good for music. Unlucky for LG and JS though, if the film that has give Bextor the boost was released a week or 2 later then JAR would have been 15th. Hasn't the movie been out for ages? I saw it here in the US in November.
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Post by themanwholivesinhell on Jan 12, 2024 15:43:56 GMT -5
Brilliant position that. Also buzzing to see Murder On The Dancefloor at number 2. Any older song getting so high has to be good for music. Unlucky for LG and JS though, if the film that has give Bextor the boost was released a week or 2 later then JAR would have been 15th. Hasn't the movie been out for ages? I saw it here in the US in November. Yeah a few months, for some reason its just grown momentum of late.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jan 12, 2024 15:56:53 GMT -5
I think because it’s only just been released to streaming services.
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Post by matt on Jan 12, 2024 17:36:09 GMT -5
They wanted to avoid making an album where the musicianship sounded “mechanical”. “Perfection is subjective, isn’t it?” suggests Squire. He adds that he often likes “something that’s slightly out of time, a little bit sloppy. There’s plenty of percussion on Stones and Beatles records that’s off the mark and yet it’s perfect".
It's so nice to hear a musician take this stance. I think John Squire is right, and I think the 'mechanical' sounding records of today sound lifeless and robotic. It all adds to that mass produced, manufactured feel. Everything precision oriented to perfection. Many listeners prefer raw authenticity, and without it, its lifeless and soulless.
I wish acts would get back to recording live more or less. Leave the imperfections and the rough edges. It's what made so many of those classic Oasis singles great. God, imagine rough and ready songs like Columbia or Bring It On Down being tidied up by major record labels in the studio. It doesn't bear thinking about.
Very enjoyable interview, realised just how ultra rare it is to hear from Squire.
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Post by andymorris on Jan 13, 2024 2:22:39 GMT -5
They wanted to avoid making an album where the musicianship sounded “mechanical”. “Perfection is subjective, isn’t it?” suggests Squire. He adds that he often likes “something that’s slightly out of time, a little bit sloppy. There’s plenty of percussion on Stones and Beatles records that’s off the mark and yet it’s perfect".It's so nice to hear a musician take this stance. I think John Squire is right, and I think the 'mechanical' sounding records of today sound lifeless and robotic. It all adds to that mass produced, manufactured feel. Everything precision oriented to perfection. Many listeners prefer raw authenticity, and without it, its lifeless and soulless. I wish acts would get back to recording live more or less. Leave the imperfections and the rough edges. It's what made so many of those classic Oasis singles great. God, imagine rough and ready songs like Columbia or Bring It On Down being tidied up by major record labels in the studio. It doesn't bear thinking about. Very enjoyable interview, realised just how ultra rare it is to hear from Squire. Agree, that's the difference. It sounds "real" when the last two records sounded "robotic". That was my main criticism of those records. They are well written, well recorded, well sung for the most part : Kurstin and Wyatt are good producers, but they don't bring life, time and place on a record. What is left for record #2 and #3 is kinda soulless. And some of the lyrics clearly didn't fit Liam, they were too "smart" for him. It didn't ring true. There's happy mistakes that makes a good record too, sometimes. I hope i wont be disappointed because early review always say how good a record is, even when it isn't.
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Post by garylineker on Jan 13, 2024 3:05:14 GMT -5
I completely get that streams need to be reflected in the charts but the way they currently are completely goes against the meaning of the chart. Streaming something numerous times isn't the same as going out and buying it once. So you are getting a reflection of what people are listening to but the point of the chart is to reflect what people have gone out and bought that week. It's mad how the song can be number 1 on every other chart but 16 in the official one because of streams. That isn't reflecting new sales. I know everyone will say it doesn't matter but it's bizarre how they work now. Ive said for years that they should place some limit on how many times per week a streaming account can play a song, after which they stop counting toward the charts. It would put an end to everyone playing it on repeat all night while they're asleep, and all that nonsense some younger pop fans do. Exactly. Something like this would be common sense.
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Post by garylineker on Jan 13, 2024 3:11:23 GMT -5
So hypothetically for Liam to have a number 1 single or even come close -
He clearly needs to make a one off single with no album announcement yet, similar to this. That achieves the order side of things and gets him to number 1 initially and on sales overall.
He would then need the song to be featured on an advert or film a couple of weeks prior. Probably perform it on a few shows that week etc. Maybe something of the scale of one love concert again.
There's a lot of factors you'd need now unnecessarily to get it high in the charts. I think #16 is a massive success for the song though and shows the album will be #1 and a worthwhile project. Just hope the songs improve a bit.
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