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Post by Aman on Apr 19, 2023 5:12:57 GMT -5
Oh, there already is one! Not that great this one, he sounds weird.
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Post by andymorris on Apr 19, 2023 5:26:52 GMT -5
We're one step away from the "we live in a computer simulation" reveal. Can't wait. its pretty exciting really.
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Post by The Escapist on Apr 19, 2023 5:32:13 GMT -5
We're one step away from the "we live in a computer simulation" reveal. Can't wait. its pretty exciting really. If you believe AI could replicate consciousness eventually (big if, it can't even replicate The Masterplan yet, but still), from there the idea that we're in a simulation becomes genuinely quite serious. All you need to grant is that at some point in the universe, somewhere, anywhere, AI that could do that would be done and the number of simulated realities would then obviously outnumber "objective" realities, making it more likely that we/you/I exist in one of those. It's a bit clickbait-philosophy, of course; no-one has a clue what to think about consciousness yet. |
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Post by aesthetic on Apr 19, 2023 6:09:49 GMT -5
It sounds nothing like him you bunch of lunatics lol
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Post by andymorris on Apr 19, 2023 7:09:29 GMT -5
We're one step away from the "we live in a computer simulation" reveal. Can't wait. its pretty exciting really. If you believe AI could replicate consciousness eventually (big if, it can't even replicate The Masterplan yet, but still), from there the idea that we're in a simulation becomes genuinely quite serious. All you need to grant is that at some point in the universe, somewhere, anywhere, AI that could do that would be done and the number of simulated realities would then obviously outnumber "objective" realities, making it more likely that we/you/I exist in one of those. It's a bit clickbait-philosophy, of course; no-one has a clue what to think about consciousness yet. Totally, there's a lot of scientists way smarter than us who believe such a possibility is more and more possible. That and/or parallel universes. It's not clickbait-philosophy though i think, we literally know nothing about the universe and believing that what we are is just that is a bit silly if you ask me. I have no idea what i am. And i am fine with it. What is consciousness though ? How can i prove you or I exist ? Maybe we are just SIMS in a CD-ROM. How wild would that be.  |
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Post by The Escapist on Apr 19, 2023 7:33:56 GMT -5
If you believe AI could replicate consciousness eventually (big if, it can't even replicate The Masterplan yet, but still), from there the idea that we're in a simulation becomes genuinely quite serious. All you need to grant is that at some point in the universe, somewhere, anywhere, AI that could do that would be done and the number of simulated realities would then obviously outnumber "objective" realities, making it more likely that we/you/I exist in one of those. It's a bit clickbait-philosophy, of course; no-one has a clue what to think about consciousness yet. Totally, there's a lot of scientists way smarter than us who believe such a possibility is more and more possible. That and/or parallel universes. It's not clickbait-philosophy though i think, we literally know nothing about the universe and believing that what we are is just that is a bit silly if you ask me. I have no idea what i am. And i am fine with it. What is consciousness though ? How can i prove you or I exist ? Maybe we are just SIMS in a CD-ROM. How wild would that be. Piggybacking off Penrose, there are the main possible explanations to consciousness: Materialist / Scientific: A) Computation: Consciousness is an emergent process from complex enough information processing. Some would think this requires more organic computation (like we find in a brain) and some would think it would be possible on a more traditional computer. B) Science 2.0: Consciousness obeys materialist reality, but is another level/theory/dimension of our reality that we just don't know about. It could be linked to quantum wave-function randomness, could be linked to string theory, or just some mind-blowing dimension of material reality that we have no idea about yet. In any case, it would be unlikely to be computational as we know it. Penrose's Orch OR theory fits this. Philosophical:C) Pan-Pyschism: Consciousness is fundamental. It is a property of physical existence in much the same way that spin, charge, and mass are. All systems have some degree of experience and subjectivity, however basic and alien they might be compared to our sophisticated, evolved version. D) Idealism: Reality IS consciousness. Since science can't tell us what anything is, just what it behaves (we can break matter down to, say, quarks and electrons, but we can't ever say what an electron intrinsically is, just describe it's behaviour), then there must be some substance beyond material to reality. And since our only immediate proof of anything we can be sure of is the reality of consciousness, then consciousness is best idea for the fundamental substance of reality. There is an objective, non-local mentation that underlies reality, and which underlies the objective reality our localised mentations share. Religious:D) Spiritualism/Religion/Etc: God did it. We have immaterial souls that give us consciousness, and it's non-material, non-scientific, a product from the infinite power and mind of God/the Ultimate Dimension/etc. It can only be known with experience/faith/emotion/etc. E) Zen. Don't think about it. Experience it. Breathe. No-concepts. Shh. |
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Post by ChampagneHypernova on Apr 19, 2023 15:05:14 GMT -5
All this AI crap is a big no for me. I prefer the real thing. Each to their own though.
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Post by glider on Apr 19, 2023 16:17:12 GMT -5
All this AI crap is a big no for me. I prefer the real thing. Each to their own though. |
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Post by AubreyOasis on Apr 19, 2023 16:56:28 GMT -5
The Liam ones are dodgy, but some of the Noel ones are scarily good already, probably about 70% there. Has anyone done "Everybody's on the run" & other NGHFB songs sung by Liam yet? If you search on YouTube you will easily find versions of If I Had a Gun and Everybody is on the run. But they are not great, probably someone will make better versions soon |
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Post by Officer Jim Kurring on Apr 19, 2023 18:21:36 GMT -5
The most important of this technology is getting awful versions of Oasis songs… Thanks. |
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Post by andymorris on Apr 20, 2023 1:53:08 GMT -5
Totally, there's a lot of scientists way smarter than us who believe such a possibility is more and more possible. That and/or parallel universes. It's not clickbait-philosophy though i think, we literally know nothing about the universe and believing that what we are is just that is a bit silly if you ask me. I have no idea what i am. And i am fine with it. What is consciousness though ? How can i prove you or I exist ? Maybe we are just SIMS in a CD-ROM. How wild would that be. Piggybacking off Roger Penrose, there are a handful of thoughts about what consciousness will end up being down to: Materialist / Scientific: A) Computation: Consciousness is an emergent process from complex enough information processing. Some would think this requires more organic computation (like we find in a brain) and some would think it would be possible on a more traditional computer. B) Science 2.0: Consciousness obeys materialist reality, but is another level/theory/dimension of our reality that we just don't know about. It could be linked to quantum wave-function randomness, could be linked to string theory, or just some mind-blowing dimension of material reality that we have no idea about yet. In any case, it would be unlikely to be computational as we know it. Penrose's Orch OR theory fits this. Philosophical:C) Reality IS consciousness. Some think that physics/science can't tell us what anything IS, just what it DOES. We can break matter down to, say, quarks and electrons, but we can't ever say what an electron IS. Just describe it's behaviour and effects. Therefore, since there must be some substance beyond science to reality, and our only immediate proof of anything we can be sure of is consciousness, then consciousness is best idea for the fundamental substance of reality. Electrons ARE consciousness. Reality doesn't have it, it IS it. But our brains are the most complex organisation of this and so have the most complex form. This is pan-psychism. Religious:D) Spiritualism/Religion/Etc: God did it. We have immaterial souls that give us consciousness, and it's non-material, non-scientific, a product from the infinite power and mind of God/the Ultimate Dimension/etc. It can only be known with experience/faith/emotion/etc. E) Zen. Don't think about it. Experience it. Breathe. No-concepts. Shh. All valid ! or not... who knows. But needs and update to A/ BinaryConsciousness is just a line of code |
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Post by spud on Apr 20, 2023 2:35:15 GMT -5
Quite like this She Is Love one
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Post by tiger40 on Apr 20, 2023 12:20:43 GMT -5
All this AI crap is a big no for me. I prefer the real thing. Each to their own though. yeah I agree with you. There's nothing like the real thing. |
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Post by welshylad on Apr 20, 2023 12:41:59 GMT -5
Quite like this She Is Love one I think all of these AI covers have been terrible This however is the closest theyve got imo |
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Post by Aman on Apr 21, 2023 2:23:59 GMT -5
Not even prime Liam can save the truly God awful She Is Love!
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Post by The Escapist on Apr 21, 2023 5:44:18 GMT -5
This is a good attempt, too.
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Post by reubenwhitee on Apr 22, 2023 6:22:18 GMT -5
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Post by Rolo on Apr 22, 2023 7:59:49 GMT -5
This really does give you a decent idea to what it would have sounded like and as expected, it would have been fucking epic. |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Apr 23, 2023 0:42:15 GMT -5
Semi-relevant, that Drake/Weeknd AI song is pretty good. Has it flipped any of the naysayers about the potential of the tech?
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Post by andymorris on Apr 23, 2023 2:36:24 GMT -5
Quite like this She Is Love one shit, this is impressive. And the song, always good  |
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Post by andymorris on Apr 23, 2023 2:38:00 GMT -5
This is a good attempt, too. Not even Liam could save it apparently. Would sound like a cover band writing in the style of Oasis. |
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Post by andymorris on Apr 23, 2023 2:44:03 GMT -5
few more here that are crazy close
Two less good but still interesting:
This is unbelievable really. Whata wild time to be alive.
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Post by andymorris on Apr 23, 2023 2:47:27 GMT -5
And this one is pointless but fun : Liam doing Fire Islande by Fountains of Wayne, people always though Chris sounded like Liam so there it is.
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Post by andymorris on Apr 24, 2023 3:26:59 GMT -5
Man this one is unbelievable, like a weird alternate universe from late 90s.
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Post by fluff123 on Apr 24, 2023 6:47:36 GMT -5
Need Liam singing Full On.
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