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Post by matt on May 29, 2024 17:02:20 GMT -5
I'm delighted this government is on the way out.
But still angry that they'll never get the level of criticism and hate they deserve.
At this stage, I'm so cynical that I genuinely think they are just getting voted out merely because of government fatigue that always seems to set in over a decade in power, rather than the catastrophic to the point of downright criminal 13 years governance. I still don't trust the electorate, the majority of which are turkeys voting for Christmas.
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Post by Bonehead's Barber on May 29, 2024 22:16:10 GMT -5
I'm a lifelong supporter of Labour but I do fear for this new brand of centrist Labour. I am hoping that it is a slow burning shift towards the left. I.e. he brings in a bit more of a stable governance before campaigning for a bit more of a traditional labour mandate in the next election. I can't see anything other than a Labour win but will be interested to see if the Tories are even the main opposition
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Post by globe on May 31, 2024 0:41:05 GMT -5
National service eh? They are desperate, coming up with desperate ideas - trying to woo the older generation by persecuting young folk. Fuck them.
Just 4 weeks folk, 4 weeks and weβll be waking up to all these Kurtβs being gone.
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Post by tiger40 on May 31, 2024 12:53:15 GMT -5
National service eh? They are desperate, coming up with desperate ideas - trying to woo the older generation by persecuting young folk. Fuck them. Just 4 weeks folk, 4 weeks and weβll be waking up to all these Kurtβs being gone. Yeah, it's pathetic, honestly do they really think that they can force people into doing national service.
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Post by dampcottage on May 31, 2024 16:58:37 GMT -5
"labour" will continue practically the same policies as the other shower, the only difference will be that uncle rupert and the rest of the media won't present them as the bastard's they really are, until they get bored and decide its the tories turn again
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Post by tiger40 on May 31, 2024 19:32:30 GMT -5
The next government must restore nature as it can't wait any longer.
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Post by globe on Jun 1, 2024 1:54:57 GMT -5
"labour" will continue practically the same policies as the other shower, the only difference will be that uncle rupert and the rest of the media won't present them as the bastard's they really are, until they get bored and decide its the tories turn again Yep, quite depressing when you think about what direction Labour have went in. Still, please donβt rob me of the pleasure of watching all these bastards leaving on the 4th of July!
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Post by tiger40 on Jun 4, 2024 13:00:16 GMT -5
So according to a headline I saw earlier on the Google news pages, it's forecast that Labour will win the election with an even big landslide than in 1997 but we'll see.
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Post by settingson on Jun 4, 2024 23:17:33 GMT -5
This is going to be a total wipe out. Easy to forget how after the last election, people were saying that Labour would be locked out of power for decades. The pandemic changed everything because it completely exposed how ill-equipped Johnson was to actually lead. He is the poster child for the old saying" "the qualities you need to get elected are exactly the ones that will betray you once you are actually in power" - someone famous said it much more eloquently than that
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Post by mimmihopps on Jun 5, 2024 4:25:41 GMT -5
Changes could be made in UK while ultra-right Poetin's friends want to take over the EU goverments.
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Post by tiger40 on Jun 5, 2024 12:43:39 GMT -5
I didn't watch the debate between Starmer and Sunak last night as I never watch these debates between the two main parties when there's an election coming up.
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Post by tiger40 on Jun 7, 2024 12:49:08 GMT -5
Sunak has a bloody cheek saying sorry for his actions yesterday when the fact is he shouldn't have left early to record an interview. Shame on him and he should've known better.
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Post by dampcottage on Jun 16, 2024 17:04:50 GMT -5
"labour" will continue practically the same policies as the other shower, the only difference will be that uncle rupert and the rest of the media won't present them as the bastard's they really are, until they get bored and decide its the tories turn again Yep, quite depressing when you think about what direction Labour have went in. Still, please donβt rob me of the pleasure of watching all these bastards leaving on the 4th of July! actually think it will be a little like 97, it'll bring a bit of optimism/relief, but the hangover/reality is gonna hit real hard
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Post by matt on Jun 16, 2024 18:04:02 GMT -5
Yep, quite depressing when you think about what direction Labour have went in. Still, please donβt rob me of the pleasure of watching all these bastards leaving on the 4th of July! actually think it will be a little like 97, it'll bring a bit of optimism/relief, but the hangover/reality is gonna hit real hard Definite relief and delight at Tory misery, not sure about optimism though. Something radical has to change and nobody is excited at the prospect of Labour. I understand New Labour brought in various welfare policies that would never have happened under a Tory government (I also say it's just not true that they were 'just the same as the Tories', I would like to see middle class hipster Corbynites tell that to lower income folk who benefited from Sure Start, minimum wage increase or bursaries like myself, Blair might not have cared but Gordon Brown definitely kept it left leaning to that extent). That welfare support is commendable, if not exactly radical, but I can't even see that level of welfare support coming. This next Labour government can't simply try and work within the confines of neoliberal economics like New Labour did. It's failed and the system is broken. Society is decimated and the old 'red wall' working class communities in England have broken to pieces because of it. The sad state of these once proud places that emphasised working class solidarity is shameful for a supposed democracy. Their social fabric has been torn to shreds, the levels of deprivations being the nightmarish manifestation of neoliberal economics. Even a landslide majority for Labour will be a support base made from foundations of sand. The electorate is so volatile, probably just siding with Labour just because everyone hates the Tories, rather than supporting them. The old class based voting traditions have gone. Lower income, working class people who usually vote Labour live in ghost towns now with no meaningful jobs, public services, prospects or any way to pay for the cost of living. Worryingly, I think that stress causes anger, dissociation, unrest - but not in a revolutionary sense. Moreso where compassion and empathy is limited due to societal and ultimately personal ruin, the anger of which creates a emotionally vulnerable voter base and a vacuum for dangerous politicians like Farage to capitalise on. They will vote Labour this time, but merely to kick the Tories out rather than actual advocacy that previous generations gave. But if Labour do nothing for these places, in five years time, they could opt for something worryingly extreme and violent. Sadly I don't see where the reforms are coming with Labour. I worry they'll try to fix the system rather than bin it and start again. These 'economic paradigm shifts' go in phases, Keynesian economics lasted from the 1930s to 1979, neoliberalism has a similar lifespan and judging by those timeframes and what we're seeing now, is in its death rattle. I fear it will take something horrible and extreme to completely reset though, these radical economic reforms usually only happen when a country is completely decimated to the point that rebuilding is the only option. And I worry that we've not seen the worst of it. 1930s experienced the traumas of instability in Europe, 1970s was industrial and societal trauma and decline. What we're heading for I don't want to know. Apologies for the rant. I will happily celebrate sticking the knife into those Tory c***s on 4th July, but I just have no clue where its all going to end up.
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Post by tiger40 on Jun 20, 2024 13:30:30 GMT -5
I see that Sunak lost it live on the radio the other day. Probably because he knows that his time is up.
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Post by globe on Jun 21, 2024 4:41:58 GMT -5
Just saw some clips of the Question Time debate last night. I genuinely think Sunak could actually lose his own seat.
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Post by tiger40 on Jun 21, 2024 13:15:20 GMT -5
Just saw some clips of the Question Time debate last night. I genuinely think Sunak could actually lose his own seat. Let's hope so as I would love to see that.
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Post by matt on Jun 22, 2024 11:51:10 GMT -5
Looking forward to the exit poll at 10pm on 4th July.
Who knows, maybe Tory shill Laura Kuennesberg will wear a black armband for the occasion.
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Post by settingson on Jun 22, 2024 18:54:07 GMT -5
Just saw some clips of the Question Time debate last night. I genuinely think Sunak could actually lose his own seat.
Even the fact that the party chose Truss and Sunak over Mordaunt tells you how completely washed up it is. Truss was borderline insane to anybody paying attention. Sunak was/is weak and such an easy target.
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Post by globe on Jun 26, 2024 6:28:29 GMT -5
Just saw some clips of the Question Time debate last night. I genuinely think Sunak could actually lose his own seat. Even the fact that the party chose Truss and Sunak over Mordaunt tells you how completely washed up it is. Truss was borderline insane to anybody paying attention. Sunak was/is weak and such an easy target.
Thon Mordaunt is just as bad - exaggerating he naval career and that utterly embarrassing speech she have at their conference a couple of years back.
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Post by tiger40 on Jun 26, 2024 13:19:53 GMT -5
Sadly there's always going to be idiots who will still vote Tory no matter what. Honestly, I can't understand why they want to vote for such morons after all the mess that they make when they're in power. And, have they forgot about all their partying during the Covid lockdown?
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Post by shadowplay on Jun 26, 2024 17:57:28 GMT -5
The general jist of why people vote Tory seems to be because of "bloody immigrants getting free benefits" and that if a not right wing government gets in then the floodgates are going to open and loads of immigrants are going to flood in. There is also a culture war aspect as a bleed in from American politics where people seem to associate anything left of the Tories as being in support of a "woke" political agenda.
To clarify I've always been left wing and have always voted Labour but mostly out of pragmatism and knowing they are the lesser of the only two realistic evils and I'm not supporting the views I just described above but those are the standard reasons for those wondering why people are still supporting a Tory government. Some of it is also very old people who did well out of the short term economic boon that free market trickle down economics provided from the Thatcher years in the 80's (That we're all paying the price for now) and would still vote Tory even if they put a pidgeon up as prime minister.
Right wing politicians give people easy answers to difficult questions and are very good at finding something to point at and blame for all of societies problems and thats why people vote for them. People don't want to hear that the poor state of everything is due to very complex global political issues they want easy answers and a section of society to blame. It's why right wing political parties will always thrive despite their past reputation and not doing anything to serve the people who vote for them and only the ruling class.
It might seem strange to a lot of you on here why people vote for a party like the Tories but they are very good at giving easy answers to difficult questions and they give people an easily comprehendable group of people to blame for why their lives are so difficult and a lot of people fall for it.
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Post by settingson on Jun 27, 2024 0:01:44 GMT -5
It might seem strange to a lot of you on here why people vote for a party like the Tories but they are very good at giving easy answers to difficult questions and they give people an easily comprehendable group of people to blame for why their lives are so difficult and a lot of people fall for it.
Your post does exactly what you accuse the Tories of ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
Your easy answer to the difficult questions faced by the country: Labour The group you blame: Tories and Tory voters.
The Labour party do exactly the same thing as the Tories.
They offer equally simplistic answers ... they just blame a different group of people.
It's politics 101
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Post by shadowplay on Jun 27, 2024 12:43:15 GMT -5
It might seem strange to a lot of you on here why people vote for a party like the Tories but they are very good at giving easy answers to difficult questions and they give people an easily comprehendable group of people to blame for why their lives are so difficult and a lot of people fall for it.
Your post does exactly what you accuse the Tories of ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
Your easy answer to the difficult questions faced by the country: Labour The group you blame: Tories and Tory voters.
The Labour party do exactly the same thing as the Tories.
They offer equally simplistic answers ... they just blame a different group of people.
It's politics 101
I don't think anyone is expecting anything to radically change when Labour gets in and like I said before I vote for them because they are the lesser of two evils not because I agree with everything they say and do. If anything I was more trying to excuse Tory voters and not paint them as intentionally malicious and demonize them. The key difference is though the groups that the Tories and other right wing parties attack are always powerless, everyday people who are just trying to live their own lives which has always been what right wing parties do. On the flipside why shouldn't the Tories be the group to blame for so much of societies problems? They've been running the country for the past 15 years! They should be held accountable for the state of things.
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Post by tiger40 on Jun 27, 2024 13:27:23 GMT -5
One week to go now before the election and that we get rid of this hateful government once and for all. I don't think that I can take another 5 years of this lot.
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