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Post by settingson on May 8, 2024 2:43:32 GMT -5
We are all waiting for the release date of:
Were You Up For Portillo ? Volume II
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Post by tomlivesforever on May 8, 2024 3:34:41 GMT -5
When the election does eventually happen, I can’t wait to stay up all night and watch all these utter cretins lose their seats one by one. I'm torn between wanting to watch them get fucked up, and yet knowing we are getting only a slightly better bunch of wankers for the next few years.
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Post by Lundblad on May 8, 2024 4:55:48 GMT -5
Since there are a lot of negative comments here, I am a bit curious. So here's a question for the brits who are critical to the government:
What is your main problem with the Tories/the government? Is it their competence? Their ideology? Their ideological development? Their policies? Their conduct?
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Post by ain on May 8, 2024 5:49:08 GMT -5
Since there are a lot of negative comments here, I am a bit curious. So here's a question for the brits who are critical to the government: What is your main problem with the Tories/the government? Is it their competence? Their ideology? Their ideological development? Their policies? Their conduct?
There are really three answers to this.
it needs to be acknowledged that most of the UK, same as the US, is a two party state. In Scotland and NI it's more complicated, and a little less so in Wales.
But in general, there's a right/left 'Overton window' based around the conservative party and labour.
For the last 70 years Labour have been seen as the party of the working classes (left), and conservatives as representing the interests of the middle and upper. so on the one hand higher taxes/more govt spending on welfare etc, on the other lower taxes, less restrictions on 'personal freedom' etc (whatever that might mean!)
There's also a urban/rural disconnect to take into account that skews the simple 'class' approach, with labour being in the cities and the tories in the countryside.
The famous labour victory of Tony Blair/Gordon Brown's 'new labour' in the 90s turned a lot of this on its head. They made direct appeals to tory voters in many ways. This lend to a blending of the parties over the past 25 years where the traditional demarcation lines have blurred, if not broken completely.
so many conservative voters are disillusioned because the govt is too left leaning. Also because last time they voted it was for leader boris johnson, then the party members voted for liz truss to replace him as PM, and now they have the much derided (from all quarters) Rishi sunak, who is only in place because he was 'elected' (chosen) by Tory MPs.
Meanwhile, Keir Starmer ousted the extremely popular labour leader Corbyn (who saw party membership levels grow massively and came within a whisker of winning a general election) so labour are dived too - being led with a 'right pandering' figure without the charisma of Bliar (or any at all really).
the third answer is that traditionally here the 'floating voters' give one party a go for a couple of terms, get fed up and give the other a go next time.
so it's complicated what will happen next time.
the big 'by election' wins for labour are on extremely small turnouts (because tory voters are staying at home) so all the talk of a 'swing' to them is just statistically true but not real.
there is the possibility that disruptor parties (george galloway on the left and nigel farage on the right) will destabilise things to produce unexpected 'split vote' results too. it's all quite interesting, but largely unpredictable.
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Post by globe on May 10, 2024 11:23:50 GMT -5
We are all waiting for the release date of: Were You Up For Portillo ? Volume II Can’t wait!
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Post by globe on May 10, 2024 11:25:05 GMT -5
Since there are a lot of negative comments here, I am a bit curious. So here's a question for the brits who are critical to the government: What is your main problem with the Tories/the government? Is it their competence? Their ideology? Their ideological development? Their policies? Their conduct? They are the biggest bunch of chancers, shysters and downright crooks we’ve ever had. They’ve systematically run down our health service all while lining the pockets of their rich mates.
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Post by tiger40 on May 10, 2024 12:31:28 GMT -5
Since there are a lot of negative comments here, I am a bit curious. So here's a question for the brits who are critical to the government: What is your main problem with the Tories/the government? Is it their competence? Their ideology? Their ideological development? Their policies? Their conduct? They are the biggest bunch of chancers, shysters and downright crooks we’ve ever had. They’ve systematically run down our health service all while lining the pockets of their rich mates. Exactly and not just that they've also run down the police and the Tories always pick on the poor while the rich get off scot free when ever they're in power. Plus this hateful government have done so many other things to run down Britian since they've been in power over the past 14 years.
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Post by Lundblad on May 10, 2024 19:16:12 GMT -5
Since there are a lot of negative comments here, I am a bit curious. So here's a question for the brits who are critical to the government: What is your main problem with the Tories/the government? Is it their competence? Their ideology? Their ideological development? Their policies? Their conduct? There are really three answers to this. it needs to be acknowledged that most of the UK, same as the US, is a two party state. In Scotland and NI it's more complicated, and a little less so in Wales. But in general, there's a right/left 'Overton window' based around the conservative party and labour. For the last 70 years Labour have been seen as the party of the working classes (left), and conservatives as representing the interests of the middle and upper. so on the one hand higher taxes/more govt spending on welfare etc, on the other lower taxes, less restrictions on 'personal freedom' etc (whatever that might mean!) There's also a urban/rural disconnect to take into account that skews the simple 'class' approach, with labour being in the cities and the tories in the countryside. The famous labour victory of Tony Blair/Gordon Brown's 'new labour' in the 90s turned a lot of this on its head. They made direct appeals to tory voters in many ways. This lend to a blending of the parties over the past 25 years where the traditional demarcation lines have blurred, if not broken completely. so many conservative voters are disillusioned because the govt is too left leaning. Also because last time they voted it was for leader boris johnson, then the party members voted for liz truss to replace him as PM, and now they have the much derided (from all quarters) Rishi sunak, who is only in place because he was 'elected' (chosen) by Tory MPs.
Meanwhile, Keir Starmer ousted the extremely popular labour leader Corbyn (who saw party membership levels grow massively and came within a whisker of winning a general election) so labour are dived too - being led with a 'right pandering' figure without the charisma of Bliar (or any at all really). the third answer is that traditionally here the 'floating voters' give one party a go for a couple of terms, get fed up and give the other a go next time. so it's complicated what will happen next time. the big 'by election' wins for labour are on extremely small turnouts (because tory voters are staying at home) so all the talk of a 'swing' to them is just statistically true but not real. there is the possibility that disruptor parties (george galloway on the left and nigel farage on the right) will destabilise things to produce unexpected 'split vote' results too. it's all quite interesting, but largely unpredictable.
Thanks for the reply and info! I just have to react to the part about Jeremy Corbyn. You are calling Corbyn "extremely popular", which is a bit of a controversial statement ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) His approval rating was in the basement during all of his leadership. Maybe he would be able to win an election today, against someone as unpopular as Sunak (or Truss), but I am doubtful that running a 70 years old caricature of a 1970s left-winger as a PM candidate would be a better recipe for electoral success than running a bland "middle of the road politician" such as Starmer. Personally, I think Corbyn is a disgusting politician. In every major international conflict for the past 50 years, he has sided with third world autocrats and anti-democratic forces, against the West. Most recently on Ukraine, where he has taken a clear pro-Russian stance, campaigning that the west should not supply arms to Ukraine. I am definitely not a fan of Johnson, due to his obvious personality flaws – but the one issue he got right was Ukraine, where he showed real leadership in a time where leaders in the other big countries in Europe did not. The idea of Corbyn as PM in February 2022 is actually quite scary from an Eastern/Northern European perspective.
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Post by Manualex on May 10, 2024 20:57:20 GMT -5
There are really three answers to this. it needs to be acknowledged that most of the UK, same as the US, is a two party state. In Scotland and NI it's more complicated, and a little less so in Wales. But in general, there's a right/left 'Overton window' based around the conservative party and labour. For the last 70 years Labour have been seen as the party of the working classes (left), and conservatives as representing the interests of the middle and upper. so on the one hand higher taxes/more govt spending on welfare etc, on the other lower taxes, less restrictions on 'personal freedom' etc (whatever that might mean!) There's also a urban/rural disconnect to take into account that skews the simple 'class' approach, with labour being in the cities and the tories in the countryside. The famous labour victory of Tony Blair/Gordon Brown's 'new labour' in the 90s turned a lot of this on its head. They made direct appeals to tory voters in many ways. This lend to a blending of the parties over the past 25 years where the traditional demarcation lines have blurred, if not broken completely. so many conservative voters are disillusioned because the govt is too left leaning. Also because last time they voted it was for leader boris johnson, then the party members voted for liz truss to replace him as PM, and now they have the much derided (from all quarters) Rishi sunak, who is only in place because he was 'elected' (chosen) by Tory MPs.
Meanwhile, Keir Starmer ousted the extremely popular labour leader Corbyn (who saw party membership levels grow massively and came within a whisker of winning a general election) so labour are dived too - being led with a 'right pandering' figure without the charisma of Bliar (or any at all really). the third answer is that traditionally here the 'floating voters' give one party a go for a couple of terms, get fed up and give the other a go next time. so it's complicated what will happen next time. the big 'by election' wins for labour are on extremely small turnouts (because tory voters are staying at home) so all the talk of a 'swing' to them is just statistically true but not real. there is the possibility that disruptor parties (george galloway on the left and nigel farage on the right) will destabilise things to produce unexpected 'split vote' results too. it's all quite interesting, but largely unpredictable.
Thanks for the reply and info! I just have to react to the part about Jeremy Corbyn. You are calling Corbyn "extremely popular", which is a bit of a controversial statement ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) His approval rating was in the basement during all of his leadership. Maybe he would be able to win an election today, against someone as unpopular as Sunak (or Truss), but I am doubtful that running a 70 years old caricature of a 1970s left-winger as a PM candidate would be a better recipe for electoral success than running a bland "middle of the road politician" such as Starmer. Personally, I think Corbyn is a disgusting politician. In every major international conflict for the past 50 years, he has sided with third world autocrats and anti-democratic forces, against the West. Most recently on Ukraine, where he has taken a clear pro-Russian stance, campaigning that the west should not supply arms to Ukraine. I am definitely not a fan of Johnson, due to his obvious personality flaws – but the one issue he got right was Ukraine, where he showed real leadership in a time where leaders in the other big countries in Europe did not. The idea of Corbyn as PM in February 2022 is actually quite scary from an Eastern/Northern European perspective. Corbyn also doesn't hides his love for Chávez/Maduro.
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Post by The Escapist on May 11, 2024 14:16:06 GMT -5
I look forward to our imminent change in the name we use to refer to our right-wing government.
Electoral politics is not enough.
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Post by Bonehead's Barber on May 22, 2024 11:27:39 GMT -5
Election called. Thank fuck. Get the scumbags out and hopefully we never see this Tory party ever again.
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Post by Sadie on May 22, 2024 11:38:13 GMT -5
Election called. Thank fuck. Get the scumbags out and hopefully we never see this Tory party ever again. I can't help but feel a bit underwhelmed tbh cause all we're doing is going from a Tory PM to a Tory-lite - still, good riddance to these cruel, vindictive, morally repugnant bastards
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Post by The Escapist on May 22, 2024 12:39:00 GMT -5
Election called. Thank fuck. Get the scumbags out and hopefully we never see this Tory party ever again. I can't help but feel a bit underwhelmed tbh cause all we're doing is going from a Tory PM to a Tory-lite - still, good riddance to these cruel, vindictive, morally repugnant bastards Apart from the cruel, vindictive, morally repugnant bastards who are now proud members of the Labour Party, of course. ![](https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article32767180.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200d/1_Natalie-Elphicke-defects-to-Labour-party.jpg)
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Post by tiger40 on May 22, 2024 12:47:25 GMT -5
Election called. Thank fuck. Get the scumbags out and hopefully we never see this Tory party ever again. About bloody time as well and thank god for that. So July 4th then it'll hopefully be good riddance to this government once and for all.
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Post by Jim on May 22, 2024 12:50:45 GMT -5
Fuck the tories
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Post by globe on May 22, 2024 15:16:43 GMT -5
Honestly can’t wait to see them tumbling out one by one. Staying up all night will be well worth it. Braverman will be my favourite to go… please!
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Post by globe on May 22, 2024 15:17:39 GMT -5
I can't help but feel a bit underwhelmed tbh cause all we're doing is going from a Tory PM to a Tory-lite - still, good riddance to these cruel, vindictive, morally repugnant bastards Apart from the cruel, vindictive, morally repugnant bastards who are now proud members of the Labour Party, of course. ![](https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article32767180.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200d/1_Natalie-Elphicke-defects-to-Labour-party.jpg) Can’t believe Starmer welcomed her into the party. Bonkers.
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Post by Bellboy on May 22, 2024 18:02:16 GMT -5
Since there are a lot of negative comments here, I am a bit curious. So here's a question for the brits who are critical to the government: What is your main problem with the Tories/the government? Is it their competence? Their ideology? Their ideological development? Their policies? Their conduct? They are the biggest bunch of chancers, shysters and downright crooks we’ve ever had. They’ve systematically run down our health service all while lining the pockets of their rich mates. This! Plus everyone fails to mention the fuckwit Boris with his cabinet COVID parties and the other Tories that actually voted Liz Truss in. Get them out!!
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Post by Sadie on May 22, 2024 20:06:47 GMT -5
I can't help but feel a bit underwhelmed tbh cause all we're doing is going from a Tory PM to a Tory-lite - still, good riddance to these cruel, vindictive, morally repugnant bastards Apart from the cruel, vindictive, morally repugnant bastards who are now proud members of the Labour Party, of course. ![](https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article32767180.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200d/1_Natalie-Elphicke-defects-to-Labour-party.jpg) Exactly, I can't get excited about an election while knowing that we're about to get these clowns as a replacement
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Post by tiger40 on May 23, 2024 13:02:35 GMT -5
They are the biggest bunch of chancers, shysters and downright crooks we’ve ever had. They’ve systematically run down our health service all while lining the pockets of their rich mates. This! Plus everyone fails to mention the fuckwit Boris with his cabinet COVID parties and the other Tories that actually voted Liz Truss in. Get them out!! I don't think that anyone is going to forget Boris and his cronies with their illegal parties, I know that I certainly won't.
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Post by tiger40 on May 23, 2024 13:04:24 GMT -5
I've lost count on just how many unelected PM's the Tories have had over the years as it seems it's been more than I've had hot dinners.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 26, 2024 18:25:45 GMT -5
The UK having a General Election on the Fourth of July just feels wrong.
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Post by tiger40 on May 27, 2024 12:46:29 GMT -5
I see that the hateful Tories want to bring back National Service, I some how don't think that it'll work.
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Post by mimmihopps on May 29, 2024 3:43:22 GMT -5
Snak approaching elderlies in carehome to get the vote is pathetic.
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Post by The Escapist on May 29, 2024 16:24:40 GMT -5
Imagine if we actually lived in a UK where each man's vote counted the same.
It'd be a joy to vote for the Green Party in such an obviously saner world.
But nope, there's some three-house-owning geriatric bastard in Kent who's vote will count ten times more than mine and so you have to leverage against that to stop the turkeys once again voting for Bernard Manning.
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