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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 20, 2022 9:31:34 GMT -5
With the highest of highest regard, I vote No - I can’t imagine how he can get any better than this. Seriously.
This isn’t that far off of a more mature peak Oasis vocals. And he’s been 💯% consistent. Countless after countless examples. This performance is just one of many.
I don’t really see any further need for any non existent improvements. He’s put in so much hard work to recover - So fucking well pleased for the geezah.
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Post by mancraider on Jun 20, 2022 9:47:34 GMT -5
No I don't think so. As above, his voice right now sounds as good as you'd expect if his peak voice had naturally declined with age and wear over 30 years so he just needs to look after it now. He needs to have sounding less processed in the studio.
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Post by peterpaul on Jun 20, 2022 15:05:20 GMT -5
I voted NO, because naturally I think his voice recovered as much as it could. But there is an option, which is vocal chord surgery, who knows what kind of things in his throat. Heavy singers are usually suffering from vocal nodules and Liam sings for 30 years now with Hashimoto's Disease and bad technique.
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Post by Sadie on Jun 20, 2022 15:31:28 GMT -5
I remember seeing this and being blown away, my jaw had dropped by the time the video finished actually. God knows how he'll be able to get better than this but knowing him he'll do it and blow everyone's mind
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Post by seanrulesrh on Jun 20, 2022 16:37:49 GMT -5
I mean, he can learn how to sing. Technical singing I mean. Except for some high notes or some falsettos, he never risks or uses any different technics. He could start making vibrattos at some notes or train his falsetto live, like that WMWN chorus..
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 20, 2022 16:45:30 GMT -5
I mean, he can learn how to sing. Technical singing I mean. Except for some high notes or some falsettos, he never risks or uses any different technics. He could start making vibrattos at some notes or train his falsetto live, like that WMWN chorus.. He’s not fucking Pavarotti. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2022 17:31:37 GMT -5
I mean, he can learn how to sing. Technical singing I mean. Except for some high notes or some falsettos, he never risks or uses any different technics. He could start making vibrattos at some notes or train his falsetto live, like that WMWN chorus..
you've accurately described a whole generation of 'x factor' style 'singers' who all sound the same and think that a bit of wobble in their vocals equates to emotion. It's the main reason I hate 99% of new music.
Thankfully Liam continues his escapades in a true rock'n'roll vocal style and truly is the last of a dying breed.
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Post by theunderclass on Jun 20, 2022 17:58:46 GMT -5
Back when he started off solo his voice sounded so much better than it had done for the last decade plus. If you’d asked me then I’d have said it wouldn’t improve any more. But it has just got better and better! So I’m going to say, as incredible as it sounds now, it will continue to improve.
Ps: I watched the Beady Eye live DVD that came with the Japan special edition of DGSS a few nights ago … I was impressed by how good the band sounded for one, second - Liam’s voice! 😬🫢 Truly unbelievable how much it’s turned around since those days …
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Post by dazed on Jun 20, 2022 20:42:54 GMT -5
Sustaining of notes and acrobatics? Thats gonna be tricky with the running being cut out, anythings possible I think with fasting, swimming, wim hoff breathing etc. The fact that someone as outwardly laddish as him has thought of stuff like ACV drinks and steaming the sinuses before gigs probably does mean the sports science-y approach is something hes willing to go for if not already implemented even if he publicly sneers at things like vocal warm ups.
Range wise I think he can definitely improve on slowly if he does those vocal exercises, I would think thats the top of his list of issues to attack in rehearsal/training which I think he clearly does, again, inspite of acting like its all rock n roll and merely cutting out the booze before gigs. His range is still pretty good as is in studio, I just think he shouts out of habit in stadiums or TV which means a lot of those high notes fall flat as hes not got that extra power from his younger days to rely upon for that trademark growly follow-through. In a lot of the studio/bts/acoustic gigs he nails the high bits.
He sounds more well conditioned for shows these days and even if hes not hitting every note he delivers them in a way thats effective for the crowd having a good time. Increasing both range and endurance would only help him express himself more and feign that famous cockiness easier.
So yeah, he can be better still but we should all be super grateful that his efforts so far have paid off to this extent. I also think Roll it Over is proof that lowering the key doesn't stop songs from sounding great if they've not been done for a bit so thats another option.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2022 3:47:11 GMT -5
Ps: I watched the Beady Eye live DVD that came with the Japan special edition of DGSS a few nights ago
what does that include? anything not available already/elsewhere?
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Post by Diamond in The Dark on Jun 21, 2022 4:34:32 GMT -5
Assuming that for me his best vocal condition (based on broadcasts) was at Rockfield 2022, Glastonbury 2017, Down By The River Thames 2020 and Mtv Unplugged 2019, I can deduce that if there were more days of rest between one concert and another,he drank herbal tea, he smoked fewer cigarettes and lose some weight, he could increase the number of more successful and higher quality vocal performances
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Post by Lundblad on Jun 21, 2022 6:06:05 GMT -5
Back when he started off solo his voice sounded so much better than it had done for the last decade plus. If you’d asked me then I’d have said it wouldn’t improve any more. But it has just got better and better! So I’m going to say, as incredible as it sounds now, it will continue to improve. Ps: I watched the Beady Eye live DVD that came with the Japan special edition of DGSS a few nights ago … I was impressed by how good the band sounded for one, second - Liam’s voice! 😬🫢 Truly unbelievable how much it’s turned around since those days … And at that point most people were impressed that his voice had become better than it was during 2005-2009, if I recall right. |
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Post by El Auténtico Dios on Jun 21, 2022 12:33:08 GMT -5
RNRS high notes he doesn't reach are the same tones of ONCE chorus that he does without problems. He could do better, yes, but I think in the damage of that permanent effort.
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Post by seanrulesrh on Jun 21, 2022 14:38:21 GMT -5
I mean, he can learn how to sing. Technical singing I mean. Except for some high notes or some falsettos, he never risks or uses any different technics. He could start making vibrattos at some notes or train his falsetto live, like that WMWN chorus.. He’s not fucking Pavarotti. Hahahahaha Pavarotti? He's a singer, there are singing technics. Therefore, he can always learn how to improve |
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Post by theunderclass on Jun 22, 2022 0:36:57 GMT -5
Ps: I watched the Beady Eye live DVD that came with the Japan special edition of DGSS a few nights ago
what does that include? anything not available already/elsewhere?
Mainly the concert at Casino de Paris in 2011, it’s around 50 minutes I think. I never knew about it until I saw it at Tower Records while on holiday in Japan either! Here’s the discogs: www.discogs.com/sell/item/1393260823 |
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Post by tiger40 on Jun 22, 2022 12:21:38 GMT -5
what does that include? anything not available already/elsewhere?
Mainly the concert at Casino de Paris in 2011, it’s around 50 minutes I think. I never knew about it until I saw it at Tower Records while on holiday in Japan either! Here’s the discogs: www.discogs.com/sell/item/1393260823I bought this version ages ago and the dvd also contains all the videos for the singles from the first album. |
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Post by seanrulesrh on Jun 23, 2022 19:30:06 GMT -5
I mean, he can learn how to sing. Technical singing I mean. Except for some high notes or some falsettos, he never risks or uses any different technics. He could start making vibrattos at some notes or train his falsetto live, like that WMWN chorus..
you've accurately described a whole generation of 'x factor' style 'singers' who all sound the same and think that a bit of wobble in their vocals equates to emotion. It's the main reason I hate 99% of new music.
Thankfully Liam continues his escapades in a true rock'n'roll vocal style and truly is the last of a dying breed.
It's got nothing to do with the X Factor mate. Would you say Thom Yorke is bad singer? He's been out there even before than Liam, and his technical singing is incredible. Yes, Thom Yorke couldn't sing Supersonic and sound as incredible as Liam, but he's improved his singing in the last 20 years. Drugs are no excuse, Alex Turner is fucked up on stage usually and he can pull up a song like 'Sweet Dreams TN' without any effort. I fucking adore Liam's signature style but you have to admit that he never risks anything vocally. Just look at Universal Gleam live. I thought the song was painfully boring for 7 months until AYW came out and I listened to the end of the chorus. And the same goes with WM?WN, fucking hell that's a terrible track live. And its because the chorus demands a falsetto. Something Liam won't do live because he knows his capacities as a singer, or maybe he just couldn't be arsed. But can he get better? Anyone can always get better. |
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Post by seanrulesrh on Jun 23, 2022 19:37:30 GMT -5
And speaking of the so called Rock and Roll voice, just take a look at fucking Paul McCartney. He can still sing Helter Skelter. The Beatles didn't get any more rock and roll than that tune. And the guy looks like an old lady and still can manage to blow our heads up. It IS a hard song to sing live. And even harder if you're playing an instrument.
Mick Jagger? Matt Bellamy? I can tell you hundreds of Rock and Roll singers from the past 40 years that had improved their singing without having anything to do with the X Factor. It's all about how ambitious you want to get with your music. And as I much as I can tell, Liam's voice is back there already, and if taken care of and working on it every day (as he seem to be doing) he can do things that we could never imagine. Without loosing his touch
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Post by lg on Jun 24, 2022 0:52:32 GMT -5
Repeat after me:
Singing out of tune isn't rock n' roll
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Post by Diamond in The Dark on Jun 24, 2022 2:33:55 GMT -5
1: live falsetto is garbage. I wouldn't like to hear Liam sing falsetto parts even live. It's okay on the record, but live I love hearing him push with a full voice. It is a trademark that sets it apart.
2: You should remember that he also has Ashimoto's Thyroiditis, which is lethal to the vocal cords. And he works there with singing. I'm sure no other singer in the world would have sung so well in the conditions that Liam is in.
3: Anyone who says Liam is out of tune has never listened to any other "live" singer. Not even on YouTube. Jim Morrison was not very in tune. Paul McCartney singing Helter Skelter live is often embarrassing. Mick Jagger even he often goes out of tune when live (but everyone don't cares). Chris Martin also often goes out of tune. Bon Jovi? it's a complete disaster ... Liam in comparison is Pavarotti. Dua Lipa Live? listen to it please. Noel? ... In Italy a few years ago he was always out of tune and made the audience sing many parts of the songs. Many returned from the concert really disappointed, because they didn't expect to see Noel in such trouble.
4: Liam can continue to enjoy new "peaks" in vocal health if he obviously rests, drank herbal teas and lost some weight.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2022 5:52:55 GMT -5
you've accurately described a whole generation of 'x factor' style 'singers' who all sound the same and think that a bit of wobble in their vocals equates to emotion. It's the main reason I hate 99% of new music.
Thankfully Liam continues his escapades in a true rock'n'roll vocal style and truly is the last of a dying breed.
It's got nothing to do with the X Factor mate. Would you say Thom Yorke is bad singer? He's been out there even before than Liam, and his technical singing is incredible. Yes, Thom Yorke couldn't sing Supersonic and sound as incredible as Liam, but he's improved his singing in the last 20 years. Drugs are no excuse, Alex Turner is fucked up on stage usually and he can pull up a song like 'Sweet Dreams TN' without any effort. I fucking adore Liam's signature style but you have to admit that he never risks anything vocally. Just look at Universal Gleam live. I thought the song was painfully boring for 7 months until AYW came out and I listened to the end of the chorus. And the same goes with WM?WN, fucking hell that's a terrible track live. And its because the chorus demands a falsetto. Something Liam won't do live because he knows his capacities as a singer, or maybe he just couldn't be arsed. But can he get better? Anyone can always get better. well mate, your original post about 'technical' singing is EXACTLY what the 'x factor generation' approach is, and why everything sounds the same. I would say Yorke is a 'bad singer' in the same way Lydon is a 'bad singer' actually - but they both have unique voices with character.
As many rock'n'roll musicians will state, training and technique can RUIN an original talent (not always/often applicable with other forms, classical, jazz though).
you mention McCartney, someone who shredded his voice with three hour sets for thirty years and too much smoking. His renditions of pretty much everything now are sad, compared to others of similar age like Roger Daltry. Tomorrow ar Glasto I'll be enjoying it for the fact an 80 year old legend is there doing it, not for his 'technically perfect' vocals.
Liam is like Rod Stewart, or yes, Lennon, in that the beauty of his voice, one major aspect of his talent, is in the fact that it is natural, untrained and offering a pure personal form of expression, undulled by 'technical' considerations, vibrato, falsetto or any other latin terms for stylistic indulgences that are mostly used to hide the absence of emotional performance rather than to enhance it that you can think of.
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Post by seanrulesrh on Jun 24, 2022 6:33:43 GMT -5
It's got nothing to do with the X Factor mate. Would you say Thom Yorke is bad singer? He's been out there even before than Liam, and his technical singing is incredible. Yes, Thom Yorke couldn't sing Supersonic and sound as incredible as Liam, but he's improved his singing in the last 20 years. Drugs are no excuse, Alex Turner is fucked up on stage usually and he can pull up a song like 'Sweet Dreams TN' without any effort. I fucking adore Liam's signature style but you have to admit that he never risks anything vocally. Just look at Universal Gleam live. I thought the song was painfully boring for 7 months until AYW came out and I listened to the end of the chorus. And the same goes with WM?WN, fucking hell that's a terrible track live. And its because the chorus demands a falsetto. Something Liam won't do live because he knows his capacities as a singer, or maybe he just couldn't be arsed. But can he get better? Anyone can always get better. well mate, your original post about 'technical' singing is EXACTLY what the 'x factor generation' approach is, and why everything sounds the same. I would say Yorke is a 'bad singer' in the same way Lydon is a 'bad singer' actually - but they both have unique voices with character.
As many rock'n'roll musicians will state, training and technique can RUIN an original talent (not always/often applicable with other forms, classical, jazz though).
you mention McCartney, someone who shredded his voice with three hour sets for thirty years and too much smoking. His renditions of pretty much everything now are sad, compared to others of similar age like Roger Daltry. Tomorrow ar Glasto I'll be enjoying it for the fact an 80 year old legend is there doing it, not for his 'technically perfect' vocals.
Liam is like Rod Stewart, or yes, Lennon, in that the beauty of his voice, one major aspect of his talent, is in the fact that it is natural, untrained and offering a pure personal form of expression, undulled by 'technical' considerations, vibrato, falsetto or any other latin terms for stylistic indulgences that are mostly used to hide the absence of emotional performance rather than to enhance it that you can think of.
Emotion and technical singing can be both approached while doing rock music. Jeez, have you heard Nothing But Thieves? That guy has Freddie Mercury's range and never fails live. Still rock the tunes and delivers with emotion every single track. Noel? Listen to Dead In The Water, ANY live performance. He's an outstanding singer, never out of tune and sings really hard songs. Ballad Of The Mighty i, listened that one live and it was incredible. Even fucking Tom Meighan from Kasabian can pull up harder tunes than Liam. But if you think Thom Yorke is a bad singer, I guess there's not too much to talk here. You can not like Radiohead. But those guys are playing a league of its own. |
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Post by welshylad on Jun 24, 2022 8:04:49 GMT -5
what does that include? anything not available already/elsewhere?
Mainly the concert at Casino de Paris in 2011, it’s around 50 minutes I think. I never knew about it until I saw it at Tower Records while on holiday in Japan either! Here’s the discogs: www.discogs.com/sell/item/1393260823I was at this gig and his voice was class! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2022 8:23:47 GMT -5
well mate, your original post about 'technical' singing is EXACTLY what the 'x factor generation' approach is, and why everything sounds the same. I would say Yorke is a 'bad singer' in the same way Lydon is a 'bad singer' actually - but they both have unique voices with character.
As many rock'n'roll musicians will state, training and technique can RUIN an original talent (not always/often applicable with other forms, classical, jazz though).
you mention McCartney, someone who shredded his voice with three hour sets for thirty years and too much smoking. His renditions of pretty much everything now are sad, compared to others of similar age like Roger Daltry. Tomorrow ar Glasto I'll be enjoying it for the fact an 80 year old legend is there doing it, not for his 'technically perfect' vocals.
Liam is like Rod Stewart, or yes, Lennon, in that the beauty of his voice, one major aspect of his talent, is in the fact that it is natural, untrained and offering a pure personal form of expression, undulled by 'technical' considerations, vibrato, falsetto or any other latin terms for stylistic indulgences that are mostly used to hide the absence of emotional performance rather than to enhance it that you can think of.
Emotion and technical singing can be both approached while doing rock music. Jeez, have you heard Nothing But Thieves? That guy has Freddie Mercury's range and never fails live. Still rock the tunes and delivers with emotion every single track. Noel? Listen to Dead In The Water, ANY live performance. He's an outstanding singer, never out of tune and sings really hard songs. Ballad Of The Mighty i, listened that one live and it was incredible. Even fucking Tom Meighan from Kasabian can pull up harder tunes than Liam. But if you think Thom Yorke is a bad singer, I guess there's not too much to talk here. You can not like Radiohead. But those guys are playing a league of its own. queen, radiohead, muse... all about as far away from liam, oasis and rock'n'roll as you can get...
just checked Nothing But Thieves (always appreciate a lead to check new music I haven't heard, so thanks for that).
Sadly, that kind of over-emoting histrionic shite is exactly what i'm talking about in previous posts.
each to their own etc, beauty of music is it's subjective, it'd be a rubbish world if we all liked the same thing etc.... but I still think you're really on the wrong track re your thoughts and ideas on Liam's voice 
and to say Noel is an 'outstanding singer' really does make me question your appreciation of music as a whole though!
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Post by seanrulesrh on Jun 24, 2022 8:43:50 GMT -5
Emotion and technical singing can be both approached while doing rock music. Jeez, have you heard Nothing But Thieves? That guy has Freddie Mercury's range and never fails live. Still rock the tunes and delivers with emotion every single track. Noel? Listen to Dead In The Water, ANY live performance. He's an outstanding singer, never out of tune and sings really hard songs. Ballad Of The Mighty i, listened that one live and it was incredible. Even fucking Tom Meighan from Kasabian can pull up harder tunes than Liam. But if you think Thom Yorke is a bad singer, I guess there's not too much to talk here. You can not like Radiohead. But those guys are playing a league of its own. queen, radiohead, muse... all about as far away from liam, oasis and rock'n'roll as you can get...
just checked Nothing But Thieves (always appreciate a lead to check new music I haven't heard, so thanks for that).
Sadly, that kind of over-emoting histrionic shite is exactly what i'm talking about in previous posts.
each to their own etc, beauty of music is it's subjective, it'd be a rubbish world if we all liked the same thing etc.... but I still think you're really on the wrong track re your thoughts and ideas on Liam's voice
and to say Noel is an 'outstanding singer' really does make me question your appreciation of music as a whole though!
I just think you're a music listener as a type, am I wrong if I say you've never played an instrument? When you play music from different genres you get to appreciate little details and technicalities, something a reality TV can't give you. But if you're just stuck with just one band and just one singer, it's understandable that the rest sounds like a pile of shit. Listen, I have an Oasis tattoo, got the whole discography including all of the singles, some of them signed. I went various times to see both brothers and I can tell it's my favourite band and it has saved my life. That is fact. But I have to be objetive here, Liam can do so much more with his voice, range and music. Not because Oasis is my favourite band, I'm going to dismiss every other musician on Earth. That's something the Liam out of the 90s would say. I'm not him, you're not him, he is not him anymore. If you think Noel doesn't have a good singing voice or simply he doesn't know how to sing, please record yourself playing Dead In The Water and we'll meet on the final chorus. We shall see what you consider a emotional performance. |
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