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Post by The Escapist on Jun 24, 2022 9:00:45 GMT -5
And the important thing is that Liam's voice no longer needs to get any better. It's more than capable of making those golden melodies in the classic move a crowd as well as carry the new material with style as well. That's all he needs.
Just being Liam Gallagher does the rest.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2022 9:10:27 GMT -5
And the important thing is that Liam's voice no longer needs to get any better. It's more than capable of making those golden melodies in the classic move a crowd as well as carry the new material with style as well. That's all he needs. Just being Liam Gallagher does the rest.
exactly.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2022 9:17:36 GMT -5
queen, radiohead, muse... all about as far away from liam, oasis and rock'n'roll as you can get...
just checked Nothing But Thieves (always appreciate a lead to check new music I haven't heard, so thanks for that).
Sadly, that kind of over-emoting histrionic shite is exactly what i'm talking about in previous posts.
each to their own etc, beauty of music is it's subjective, it'd be a rubbish world if we all liked the same thing etc.... but I still think you're really on the wrong track re your thoughts and ideas on Liam's voice 
and to say Noel is an 'outstanding singer' really does make me question your appreciation of music as a whole though!
I just think you're a music listener as a type, am I wrong if I say you've never played an instrument? When you play music from different genres you get to appreciate little details and technicalities, something a reality TV can't give you. But if you're just stuck with just one band and just one singer, it's understandable that the rest sounds like a pile of shit. Listen, I have an Oasis tattoo, got the whole discography including all of the singles, some of them signed. I went various times to see both brothers and I can tell it's my favourite band and it has saved my life. That is fact. But I have to be objetive here, Liam can do so much more with his voice, range and music. Not because Oasis is my favourite band, I'm going to dismiss every other musician on Earth. That's something the Liam out of the 90s would say. I'm not him, you're not him, he is not him anymore. If you think Noel doesn't have a good singing voice or simply he doesn't know how to sing, please record yourself playing Dead In The Water and we'll meet on the final chorus. We shall see what you consider a emotional performance.
hey mate you're being a bit passive aggressive here and taking it all a tad too seriously...
...as it happens I've been a professional musician for many years, always earnt my living from it (with a bit on the side from music journalism), as lead vocalist, guitarist, bassist keyboard player and programmer my tunes have been and continue to be played on numerous radio stations around the world, been reviewed in pretty much every music mag across genres from NME to Mixmag to Blues in Britain, I've collaborated with many different musicians over many genres and toured across 30 or so countries...
but as I say, everyone's opinion is as valid as everyone else's... think about it...
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Post by seanrulesrh on Jun 24, 2022 9:32:47 GMT -5
I just think you're a music listener as a type, am I wrong if I say you've never played an instrument? When you play music from different genres you get to appreciate little details and technicalities, something a reality TV can't give you. But if you're just stuck with just one band and just one singer, it's understandable that the rest sounds like a pile of shit. Listen, I have an Oasis tattoo, got the whole discography including all of the singles, some of them signed. I went various times to see both brothers and I can tell it's my favourite band and it has saved my life. That is fact. But I have to be objetive here, Liam can do so much more with his voice, range and music. Not because Oasis is my favourite band, I'm going to dismiss every other musician on Earth. That's something the Liam out of the 90s would say. I'm not him, you're not him, he is not him anymore. If you think Noel doesn't have a good singing voice or simply he doesn't know how to sing, please record yourself playing Dead In The Water and we'll meet on the final chorus. We shall see what you consider a emotional performance.
hey mate you're being a bit passive aggressive here and taking it all a tad too seriously...
...as it happens I've been a professional musician for many years, always earnt my living from it (with a bit on the side from music journalism), as lead vocalist, guitarist, bassist keyboard player and programmer my tunes have been and continue to be played on numerous radio stations around the world, been reviewed in pretty much every music mag across genres from NME to Mixmag to Blues in Britain, I've collaborated with many different musicians over many genres and toured across 30 or so countries...
but as I say, everyone's opinion is as valid as everyone else's... think about it...
Not at all, don't get me wrong. I just find it hard to believe that a musician say something like "emoting histrionic shite" to Conor Mason's vocals or say that Noel or Thom Yorke arent good singers when they clearly nail what they do (Of course generally talking, Noel's last efforts are focused on rhythms more than melodies). I mean, one thing is saying that it isn't something that you like. Another thing is dismiss everything that's not Liam/Oasis. I personally don't like Queen at all, but the singer was THE singer. If you don't think Queen are rock and roll enough, I wonder what is your opinion on songs like Now That I've Found You. |
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Post by darmin on Jun 24, 2022 10:08:10 GMT -5
I wanted to join this discussion but saw “outstanding singer” and lol, nope, next time when someone who knows what he’s talking about will be an opponent
Anyway, I think that Liams technique is not problem in the present. It’s alright for what he’s doing. His punk style of singing is his choice.
His problem is his damaged (by 20 years of touring and hashimoto disease) vocal chords. Only thing that can help him and make his voice better is long periods of rest.
and of course he needs to look after his health etc
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Post by seanrulesrh on Jun 24, 2022 10:14:27 GMT -5
I wanted to join this discussion but saw “outstanding singer” and lol, nope, next time when someone who knows what he’s talking about will be an opponent Anyway, I think that Liams technique is not problem in the present. It’s alright for what he’s doing. His punk style of singing is his choice. His problem is his damaged (by 20 years of touring and hashimoto disease) vocal chords. Only thing that can help him and make his voice better is long periods of rest. and of course he needs to look after his health etc Lol yeah, you seem to know much more. Not to be starting the Noel vs Liam thing, no reason to do it. But Noel is a better singer than his brother. Liam has the voice, the persona, the charisma, what a frontman needs to be/have. But as I said, Liam can't reach a certain level that Noel easily will pull off. Talking about range, high notes, technical singing and all that surrounds this. Noel can do falsetto live, Liam can't. As simple as that |
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Post by seanrulesrh on Jun 24, 2022 10:17:53 GMT -5
Check out Inhaler by Foals lads. No technically great singing, and still manages to rock and roll with a falsetto. Liam is capable of that and very muuuuch more. Doesn't matter if he has a vocal disease. Led Zep singer got a throat soaring problem and took more drugs than Liam could ever imagine. And I fucking hate that singer.
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Post by artumlobov on Jun 24, 2022 10:27:38 GMT -5
I wanted to join this discussion but saw “outstanding singer” and lol, nope, next time when someone who knows what he’s talking about will be an opponent Anyway, I think that Liams technique is not problem in the present. It’s alright for what he’s doing. His punk style of singing is his choice. His problem is his damaged (by 20 years of touring and hashimoto disease) vocal chords. Only thing that can help him and make his voice better is long periods of rest. and of course he needs to look after his health etc Lol yeah, you seem to know much more. Not to be starting the Noel vs Liam thing, no reason to do it. But Noel is a better singer than his brother. Liam has the voice, the persona, the charisma, what a frontman needs to be/have. But as I said, Liam can't reach a certain level that Noel easily will pull off. Talking about range, high notes, technical singing and all that surrounds this. Noel can do falsetto live, Liam can't. As simple as that Maybe 10 years ago but Noel's voice is pretty fucked these days tbh. He doesn't hit the high notes like he used to. |
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Post by seanrulesrh on Jun 24, 2022 10:36:37 GMT -5
Lol yeah, you seem to know much more. Not to be starting the Noel vs Liam thing, no reason to do it. But Noel is a better singer than his brother. Liam has the voice, the persona, the charisma, what a frontman needs to be/have. But as I said, Liam can't reach a certain level that Noel easily will pull off. Talking about range, high notes, technical singing and all that surrounds this. Noel can do falsetto live, Liam can't. As simple as that Maybe 10 years ago but Noel's voice is pretty fucked these days tbh. He doesn't hit the high notes like he used to. From last year. Check A Dream Is All I Need To Get By. That one is tough to sing and he just makes it magical |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2022 10:45:07 GMT -5
I wanted to join this discussion but saw “outstanding singer” and lol, nope, next time when someone who knows what he’s talking about will be an opponent Anyway, I think that Liams technique is not problem in the present. It’s alright for what he’s doing. His punk style of singing is his choice. His problem is his damaged (by 20 years of touring and hashimoto disease) vocal chords. Only thing that can help him and make his voice better is long periods of rest. and of course he needs to look after his health etc Lol yeah, you seem to know much more. Not to be starting the Noel vs Liam thing, no reason to do it. But Noel is a better singer than his brother. Liam has the voice, the persona, the charisma, what a frontman needs to be/have. But as I said, Liam can't reach a certain level that Noel easily will pull off. Talking about range, high notes, technical singing and all that surrounds this. Noel can do falsetto live, Liam can't. As simple as that "Noel is a better singer than his brother"
sorry to have wasted my time on this now, obviously trolling.
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Post by Diamond in The Dark on Jun 24, 2022 11:05:43 GMT -5
Maybe 10 years ago but Noel's voice is pretty fucked these days tbh. He doesn't hit the high notes like he used to. From last year. Check A Dream Is All I Need To Get By. That one is tough to sing and he just makes it magical Here he is well rested and everything is perfectly set up for airing. But when he sings in front of the audience in several consecutive concerts he can't sing like that but he almost looks like a chicken with intestinal difficulties. It uses several methods to camouflage its difficulties: It smooths out the sounds, shortens the duration of the notes and makes the audience sing a lot of choruses. So he's not much better than Liam when you also consider the fact that he doesn't suffer from Thyroiditis and doesn't smoke anymore. |
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Post by seanrulesrh on Jun 24, 2022 11:15:02 GMT -5
From last year. Check A Dream Is All I Need To Get By. That one is tough to sing and he just makes it magical Here he is well rested and everything is perfectly set up for airing. But when he sings in front of the audience in several consecutive concerts he can't sing like that but he almost looks like a chicken with intestinal difficulties. It uses several methods to camouflage its difficulties: It smooths out the sounds, shortens the duration of the notes and makes the audience sing a lot of choruses. So he's not much better than Liam when you also consider the fact that he doesn't suffer from Thyroiditis and doesn't smoke anymore. 13:10 10 days ago, couple of gigs been already done at that point. Guys, Liam is a fucking amazing singer. He will be a great singer even at his 80s because he doesn't have to do much to sound like Liam Gallagher. He's got the charisma and the voice. But if you really think he cannot get better that at the point he is right now it is because you can't picture him doing all the falsetto live and technical stuff. I bet you couldn't picture him singing a song with a Dub/Reggae bridge a couple of years ago. My point is that every single singer can get better. With training and actually wanting to. Liam is in a point that he doesn't have to try harder. He is where is belongs. But let's not underestimate him because he has a throat disease or because he had drugs years ago. He can actually do it better even though he is doing good. Fucking hell, if I love Liam and get told that I'm a troll, what will Oasis haters get around here? Strange place this forum has become.. |
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Post by girllikeabomb on Jun 24, 2022 15:00:26 GMT -5
Liam is like Rod Stewart, or yes, Lennon, in that the beauty of his voice, one major aspect of his talent, is in the fact that it is natural, untrained and offering a pure personal form of expression, undulled by 'technical' considerations, vibrato, falsetto or any other latin terms for stylistic indulgences that are mostly used to hide the absence of emotional performance rather than to enhance it that you can think of.
This was really beautifully said, and the whole thread would have been better off ending here.
Now it has descended into cherry-picked videos of poor vocal performances (which happen to every singer, especially those over 50)-- who wants to see that? Not me.
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Post by darmin on Jun 24, 2022 21:49:21 GMT -5
I wanted to join this discussion but saw “outstanding singer” and lol, nope, next time when someone who knows what he’s talking about will be an opponent Anyway, I think that Liams technique is not problem in the present. It’s alright for what he’s doing. His punk style of singing is his choice. His problem is his damaged (by 20 years of touring and hashimoto disease) vocal chords. Only thing that can help him and make his voice better is long periods of rest. and of course he needs to look after his health etc Lol yeah, you seem to know much more. Not to be starting the Noel vs Liam thing, no reason to do it. But Noel is a better singer than his brother. Liam has the voice, the persona, the charisma, what a frontman needs to be/have. But as I said, Liam can't reach a certain level that Noel easily will pull off. Talking about range, high notes, technical singing and all that surrounds this. Noel can do falsetto live, Liam can't. As simple as that Here’s illustration for my point . This guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Hitting higher notes =/= better singer. By his logic I’m better singer than some contralto opera singers bc my range is bigger. But here’s problem, my voice is weaker, less interesting and unique than theirs. From my own experience, some has singing talent and some people don’t, that not something you can learn. You can have pleasant voice, train more, you can have big range, can be technically better, but then person who was born with it come and blow you out of the water. Noels technical abilities is also nothing special. As vocalist and performer he’s average |
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Post by seanrulesrh on Jun 24, 2022 22:03:35 GMT -5
No, I don't mean the higher you can sing, the better you're doing it.
Ariana Grande has one of the highest range out there (she can get literally RIDICULOUSLY high, it doesn't even sound human) and I struggle to find anything appealing to hers voice.
The question of the thread was if Liam can get better. If he could prolong the notes as he used to (Morning Glory), sing a couple falsettos lives as he used to (not everywhere, just WMWN and Live Forever, seriously, WMWN is shit live and he ruins the chorus everytime) and maybe and just MAYBE decorate some lines with a vibratto here and there he could sound UNREAL. So my answer to the question was YES, he can improve. Nothing more, nothing less.
But yeah fuck this thread anyway. No opinions allowed, just vote NO and everything will be alright. Express your opinion and you're a troll. If you share videos to prove your point, you're just "cherry picking" performances. If you mention a band that doesn't involve Liam, it's garbage.
Its hard to believe this is an Oasis forum, when it's clearly a Liam one. And quite a toxic one. I recall joining this place when it felt like a british music forum but mainly focused in Oasis.
Not wanting drama or being passive aggressive as the lad said, just not feeling this forum anymore.
I'm outta here! Peace ✌️
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Post by darmin on Jun 24, 2022 22:38:41 GMT -5
No, I don't mean the higher you can sing, the better you're doing it. Ariana Grande has one of the highest range out there (she can get literally RIDICULOUSLY high, it doesn't even sound human) and I struggle to find anything appealing to hers voice. The question of the thread was if Liam can get better. If he could prolong the notes as he used to (Morning Glory), sing a couple falsettos lives as he used to (not everywhere, just WMWN and Live Forever, seriously, WMWN is shit live and he ruins the chorus everytime) and maybe and just MAYBE decorate some lines with a vibratto here and there he could sound UNREAL. So my answer to the question was YES, he can improve. Nothing more, nothing less. But yeah fuck this thread anyway. No opinions allowed, just vote NO and everything will be alright. Express your opinion and you're a troll. If you share videos to prove your point, you're just "cherry picking" performances. If you mention a band that doesn't involve Liam, it's garbage. Its hard to believe this is an Oasis forum, when it's clearly a Liam one. And quite a toxic one. I recall joining this place when it felt like a british music forum but mainly focused in Oasis. Not wanting drama or being passive aggressive as the lad said, just not feeling this forum anymore. I'm outta here! Peace ✌️ Well I hope you don’t think that I wanted to offend you or something like that. Im just forthright person. I also said here few inaccurate things and was corrected. Oh well |
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Post by girllikeabomb on Jun 25, 2022 0:04:17 GMT -5
But yeah fuck this thread anyway. No opinions allowed, just vote NO and everything will be alright. Express your opinion and you're a troll. If you share videos to prove your point, you're just "cherry picking" performances. If you mention a band that doesn't involve Liam, it's garbage. Its hard to believe this is an Oasis forum, when it's clearly a Liam one. And quite a toxic one. I recall joining this place when it felt like a british music forum but mainly focused in Oasis. Not wanting drama or being passive aggressive as the lad said, just not feeling this forum anymore. I'm outta here! Peace ✌️
Don’t take it too seriously, it’s all completely unimportant in the grand scheme of things (not saying the music is unimportant to clarify, just these little indulgent debates). Of course, you can’t expect everyone will agree with an opinion as controversial as Liam should sing with vibrato—given his voice is absolutely iconic without it. It’s pretty much guaranteed some people won’t. But that doesn’t mean you have to change your opinion. Or feel that you are being driven away if people take the opposite view.
For my part, absolutely nothing personal was meant. I couldn’t even have told you who posted the Noel videos – I just thought it was a sign of an already fairly silly discussion going off course into negativity and into dreary Liam vs. Noel stuff (which is kind of happening a lot lately, given both are on tour with differing styles of shows...hell, even Liam is doing it).
But that’s how I see things, which others here often disagree with. Life on the internet … humans really weren’t cut out for it!
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