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Post by girllikeabomb on Nov 3, 2021 4:19:43 GMT -5
What's with the Lennon comparison? Guy's been dead more than 40 years, Meighan was caught with what he was doing less than a year ago, and he's already released a song crying about it. That's what bothers me, take some fucking time off after a thing like that. Edit: Almost 1.5 years ago, damn. Doesn't really change my opinion though. Lennon only because there’s a lot of hypocrisy on stuff like this. If your morals are such that you would never buy the work of someone who has admitted to violence or abuse of any kind, that’s totally fine, so long as you're willing to knock a whole bunch of folks off the list (not just Lennon, of course, but he’s an obvious example in this context because he is a primary influence on the Gallaghers, and many on this forum are fans to some degree. It's good to realize that even brilliantly creative people can be very, very flawed.) Don't think 40 years really makes a difference. Lennon was releasing music at the time he talked about hitting his first wife and emotionally abusing Julian ... and alas, domestic violence (and its usual causes) are still very much with us. What has changed though is that there is more help out there both for victims and perpetrators, if they'll seek it, so there is more hope that these cycles can be halted. Talking about it openly, as Lennon and Meighan both did, is usually a good thing in terms of helping others. But agreed that Meighan might have waited before selling albums. |
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Post by funhouse on Nov 3, 2021 4:58:31 GMT -5
I listen to old Kasabian songs despite whatever he does or did, but it's all about context. He never wrote songs about personal stuff, there's really no need to seperate the art from the artist. Lennon did, so if I was around that time I would probably see some issues with that, but now he's been dead 40 years and I would have no problem listening to anything made by him unless it's Run For Your Life(which I wouldn't anyway simply because it's a bad song). If he was a paedo I would probably feel differently about it, and sure that might be hypocritical to some degree because while not as bad, domestic violence is still VERY bad, but that's just how my mind works. Going back to Kasabian, this is just very poorly handled. Take some time off and come back later when you're clearly a changed person, and not like this when he puts out an emotional and personal song at the same time as Kasabian, making sure this will give him more people listening in an attempt to resurrect his carreer. It just shows a lack of maturity and selfawareness. If it was a song about dinosaurs doing drugs while skateboarding I wouldnt be as bothered, but this just seems manipulative. Edit: Ah, meant to reply directly, girllikeabomb |
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Post by arthurmorgan on Nov 3, 2021 10:13:15 GMT -5
overrated af
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Post by carlober on Nov 3, 2021 16:13:15 GMT -5
Everyone should get a second chance. Well, ok, not actually everyone but you get the point!
Tom Meighan may well be a shit person but he ain't nowhere near R. Kelly, Gary Glitter or those other c*nts.
I liked early Kasabian but they went downhill after Velociraptor. This new Meighan song seems more like a nice PR stunt than a real apology, but that's just my 2p. It's cheesy but alright.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Nov 4, 2021 0:07:54 GMT -5
I listen to old Kasabian songs despite whatever he does or did, but it's all about context. He never wrote songs about personal stuff, there's really no need to seperate the art from the artist. Lennon did, so if I was around that time I would probably see some issues with that, but now he's been dead 40 years and I would have no problem listening to anything made by him unless it's Run For Your Life(which I wouldn't anyway simply because it's a bad song). If he was a paedo I would probably feel differently about it, and sure that might be hypocritical to some degree because while not as bad, domestic violence is still VERY bad, but that's just how my mind works. Going back to Kasabian, this is just very poorly handled. Take some time off and come back later when you're clearly a changed person, and not like this when he puts out an emotional and personal song at the same time as Kasabian, making sure this will give him more people listening in an attempt to resurrect his carreer. It just shows a lack of maturity and selfawareness. If it was a song about dinosaurs doing drugs while skateboarding I wouldnt be as bothered, but this just seems manipulative. Edit: Ah, meant to reply directly, girllikeabomb I don't necessarily think the song is intended to be manipulative, though it clearly comes off like that to some given the reaction. It's more probably that this stuff is actually what's on his mind, unlike before. He's presumably spent the last year doing rehab, therapy and community service, so he's probably not in the mood to sing about dinosaurs doing drugs while skateboarding (hahaha). Plus, in some ways, that would seem worse, and be completely tone deaf, to release something that would feel silly and unrepentant when everyone knows what has really been happening in his life. I guess he said he released the song earlier than planned but definitely am with you that staying out the public eye for a bit and releasing the song at a different time would have been wiser. |
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Post by tiger40 on Nov 4, 2021 14:56:07 GMT -5
I liked Kasabian's first two albums but I've never liked anything else they've done since then.
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Post by Lundblad on Nov 4, 2021 15:33:35 GMT -5
I remember I used to think that Kasabian was overrated in here around 2010, but with Velociraptor I really fell for the band. Now I would almost say the opposite and I really liked For Crying Out Loud which I would almost say is their strongest album (quite unusual opinion). Without Meighan though, I think they are doomed. They should have Ashcroft or Liam joining the band  And I agree that the timing of Meighan's comeback is questionable to say the least... |
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Post by oasisserbia on Nov 5, 2021 2:59:37 GMT -5
West Ryder Pauper Lunatic Asylum was very important album to me, I was like 18 when it came out. I see that many people don't like it and that it doesn't have the best reviews but at the time it was like modern day Sgt. Pepper xD
I remember some interviews, Zane Lowe was crazy about that album, it was his album of the year, NME was writing almost every day about it, Vlad The Impaler was first song that we heard and it was biblical, Fire and Underdog were big hits and even today they are indie anthems. Number one album, hit singles, cool album cover, cool concept of an album, cool clothes, cool hairstyles, cool videos, great tour, Rosario Dawson singing on one track and she was cool as fuck, Noel Fielding in video...
It's weird seeing people talking shit about that album today and seeing 3/10 review from PopMatters, 2.5/5 from Spin, 4.9/10 from Pitchfork...
But the thing was that we didn't give a fuck. We had our own world and it was like us against the rest of the world. Now we have to overcomplicate everything.
Waiting for Velociraptor was also great. Switchblade Smiles as first song that we heard and biblical ''Can you feel it coming?'' that they used as a teaser.
It was fun, exciting, youthful, rock and roll... You can't compare it with anticipation for new Arcade Fire's album or some band like that even though those bands are much more critically acclaimed. They tried to be 2000s Oasis and I actually respect them for that while people are making fun of them. They are not that talented but they were living the dream and made 100% with talent that they have. Plus they gave us some great times and made us feel excited again about music, life...
It's funny how people think that they are cool when they are hating on Kasabian. They think that they are above everyone else and they just end up looking stupid and uncool. We know that Kasabian was an illusion but it was fun while it lasted. It's like people looking for plot holes in Harry Potter movies and books. I mean, just shut the fuck up xD.
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Post by jh on Nov 5, 2021 3:54:23 GMT -5
Everyone should get a second chance. Well, ok, not actually everyone but you get the point! Tom Meighan may well be a shit person but he ain't nowhere near R. Kelly, Gary Glitter or those other c*nts. I liked early Kasabian but they went downhill after Velociraptor. This new Meighan song seems more like a nice PR stunt than a real apology, but that's just my 2p. It's cheesy but alright. Your bang on with this. Tom looks fcking aweful too in the video....just a huge PR stunt. Early Kasaban was the utter best - NME birthday gig was immense high point around 2006 |
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Post by funhouse on Nov 5, 2021 8:10:09 GMT -5
West Ryder Pauper Lunatic Asylum was very important album to me, I was like 18 when it came out. I see that many people don't like it and that it doesn't have the best reviews but at the time it was like modern day Sgt. Pepper xD I remember some interviews, Zane Lowe was crazy about that album, it was his album of the year, NME was writing almost every day about it, Vlad The Impaler was first song that we heard and it was biblical, Fire and Underdog were big hits and even today they are indie anthems. Number one album, hit singles, cool album cover, cool concept of an album, cool clothes, cool hairstyles, cool videos, great tour, Rosario Dawson singing on one track and she was cool as fuck, Noel Fielding in video... It's weird seeing people talking shit about that album today and seeing 3/10 review from PopMatters, 2.5/5 from Spin, 4.9/10 from Pitchfork... But the thing was that we didn't give a fuck. We had our own world and it was like us against the rest of the world. Now we have to overcomplicate everything. Waiting for Velociraptor was also great. Switchblade Smiles as first song that we heard and biblical ''Can you feel it coming?'' that they used as a teaser. It was fun, exciting, youthful, rock and roll... You can't compare it with anticipation for new Arcade Fire's album or some band like that even though those bands are much more critically acclaimed. They tried to be 2000s Oasis and I actually respect them for that while people are making fun of them. They are not that talented but they were living the dream and made 100% with talent that they have. Plus they gave us some great times and made us feel excited again about music, life... It's funny how people think that they are cool when they are hating on Kasabian. They think that they are above everyone else and they just end up looking stupid and uncool. We know that Kasabian was an illusion but it was fun while it lasted. It's like people looking for plot holes in Harry Potter movies and books. I mean, just shut the fuck up xD. This will always be a forgotten gem of a song. Speaking of illusions and "own worlds"... |
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Post by oasisserbia on Nov 5, 2021 8:33:20 GMT -5
It is great album, I don't know why people don't like it. And we are on Oasis forum. It's much better than DOYS, it sounds like something that Oasis should do in 2000s.
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Post by oasisserbia on Nov 5, 2021 15:13:30 GMT -5
I still believe that Tom is good guy who made mistake, he is not that creepy, sick weirdo like MJ and creeps like that.
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Post by shadowplay on Nov 6, 2021 7:38:55 GMT -5
I don't know how to describe how I feel about this group anymore. Back when I was younger I remember really liking their 1st and 3rd albums. But now they are so cringeworthy it defies belief, from those phoney apology videos from Tom to whatever the hell Serge was trying to do on stage impersonating him in that recent gig.
Tom is obviously a conceited shit and Serge can't sing (I hear better pub singers and buskers about than that guy) and is a very mediocre and uninspired songwriter, what he does reminds me of Andy Bells pastiche auto pilot mode songs from BE, just offensively uninspired and middle of the road, these songs exist purely to make money and as an excuse to tour, they sound like they were a chore for him to write.
On the other argument on this thread, yeah, the dirty old bastards were all up to it back in the day and it was often younger than 16 or 17 like someone defending this behavior commented. I'll never listen to Elvis or MJ for example and I hate seeing their faces everywhere. The mental state of people to overlook someone being a creep because they have talent is beyond my ability to reason
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Post by tiger40 on Nov 6, 2021 14:39:26 GMT -5
I remember I used to think that Kasabian was overrated in here around 2010, but with Velociraptor I really fell for the band. Now I would almost say the opposite and I really liked For Crying Out Loud which I would almost say is their strongest album (quite unusual opinion). Without Meighan though, I think they are doomed. They should have Ashcroft or Liam joining the band And I agree that the timing of Meighan's comeback is questionable to say the least... Well I don't think that Liam would want to join the band when he's having massive success on his own. But maybe the band could do with Ashcroft though. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 6, 2021 14:54:16 GMT -5
I remember I used to think that Kasabian was overrated in here around 2010, but with Velociraptor I really fell for the band. Now I would almost say the opposite and I really liked For Crying Out Loud which I would almost say is their strongest album (quite unusual opinion). Without Meighan though, I think they are doomed. They should have Ashcroft or Liam joining the band And I agree that the timing of Meighan's comeback is questionable to say the least... Well I don't think that Liam would want to join the band when he's having massive success on his own. But maybe the band could do with Ashcroft though. Richard already has a band. It’s called The Verve and for some strange reason he refuses to make magic again! |
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Post by matt on Nov 6, 2021 17:25:51 GMT -5
I don't know how to describe how I feel about this group anymore. Back when I was younger I remember really liking their 1st and 3rd albums. But now they are so cringeworthy it defies belief, from those phoney apology videos from Tom to whatever the hell Serge was trying to do on stage impersonating him in that recent gig. Tom is obviously a conceited shit and Serge can't sing (I hear better pub singers and buskers about than that guy) and is a very mediocre and uninspired songwriter, what he does reminds me of Andy Bells pastiche auto pilot mode songs from BE, just offensively uninspired and middle of the road, these songs exist purely to make money and as an excuse to tour, they sound like they were a chore for him to write. On the other argument on this thread, yeah, the dirty old bastards were all up to it back in the day and it was often younger than 16 or 17 like someone defending this behavior commented. I'll never listen to Elvis or MJ for example and I hate seeing their faces everywhere. The mental state of people to overlook someone being a creep because they have talent is beyond my ability to reason There is an edge to the first Kasabian album, and there is none of this meandering psychedelic bullshit they peddled from Empire onwards. I bought it when I was 13 and I have good memories of the albums I bought around that time (that post-britpop indie boom of the early/mid 2000s). It was punchy and to the point, no self-indulgence. Chris Karloff probably had something to do with the decency of their first album, because it is lightyears removed from the dross that followed. Admittedly, the single Empire is brilliant and seemed to suggest that edge was still there for album two and the sound would be a bit more expansive but what a misleading lead single that was. What followed was the god awful Shoot The Runner (she's my queen....bitch! Still cringe at that hilariously attempt at edginess). Since Empire, they have become a really fucking naff band. Serge started to think he was some rock god songwriting genius (a songwriter who has never been able to demonstrate any emotion with any sincerity) and Tom became a poundshop Liam Gallagher. The only good song they did post-Empire was Underdog. Aside from that, they are really really cheesy and the irony is they tried to give off this Oasis hardman image with cliched rent-a-quotes that tried to be witty. The image never matched up to the naffness of what they are and still are. A bit of humility from the two leading chumps would have gone a long way in sustaining some quality (by all accounts, Karloff was fairly rooted). But they conjured up some kind of mythical hype about themselves that was never there. I think it's the first instance in music history of a band having dissociative identity disorder, in their minds living out some fantasy that they were an iconic band yet they were never close to being seismic or good. Who knows what they would have been like if Karloff had stayed. |
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Post by tiger40 on Nov 7, 2021 14:10:37 GMT -5
Well I don't think that Liam would want to join the band when he's having massive success on his own. But maybe the band could do with Ashcroft though. Richard already has a band. It’s called The Verve and for some strange reason he refuses to make magic again! Richard had a band, The Verve split up ages ago and at the moment he's not doing much and is he actually having much success as it doesn't seem like it to me. |
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Post by oasisserbia on Nov 16, 2021 11:00:48 GMT -5
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Post by seanrulesrh on Feb 14, 2022 9:37:48 GMT -5
March 18th Tom is going to release Movin' On as a single with a new track called 'Out Of This World' and 'Would You Mind?' as b-sides.
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Post by oasisserbia on Feb 28, 2022 7:57:01 GMT -5
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Post by seanrulesrh on Feb 28, 2022 9:17:52 GMT -5
Bang bang banger
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Post by tezza198 on Apr 7, 2022 4:51:52 GMT -5
I’m calling it, Tom’s solo album will be better than anything Kasabian puts out. Every song he’s released so far has been awesome
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Post by seanrulesrh on Apr 7, 2022 5:19:40 GMT -5
Tomorrow Let It Ride & Icarus!
While Kasabian are still teasing after half a year since ALYGATYR came out...
As if the hype wasn't dead already
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Post by tezza198 on Apr 7, 2022 14:13:00 GMT -5
Tomorrow Let It Ride & Icarus! While Kasabian are still teasing after half a year since ALYGATYR came out... As if the hype wasn't dead already Let it ride is amazing! They’re both great actually Icarus has a really cool sound. I’m looking forward to this album almost as much as Liam’s. Kasabian I couldn’t give two shits about |
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Post by oasisserbia on Apr 8, 2022 0:38:29 GMT -5
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