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Post by underawaterfall on Oct 29, 2021 4:35:57 GMT -5
I don't particularly like either song, but intrigued for both albums. Kasabian had ran their course so the split will hopefully freshen things up, like how it has with LG/NG.
I do think Tom is quite an emotional person so I don't think any of the tears are forced, but his management is definitely playing on it.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Oct 29, 2021 8:24:18 GMT -5
Struggling to have any attachment to Tom right now as much as I love his voice, checked out the new song but it says nothing to me, can't see a whole album written by him truly working tbh
I liked The S.L.P. more than Kasabian's last offering so I'm interested to see what happens, not a huge fan of Alygatyr but I'm willing to give them a chance after drifting away from them in the last few years
Not sure it's all going to work out without a frontman in the long run tho, I like Serge but it's hard to not get that sense that something's missing
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Post by funhouse on Oct 29, 2021 16:33:33 GMT -5
I've said it before, but it was all downhill from here. If I recall correctly this was around the time they released West Ryder Pauper Lunatic Asylum, which I think is a genuinely good album. Serge should have just continued running there at the end, not looking back. Finishing on a high note.
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Post by glider on Oct 29, 2021 17:04:19 GMT -5
W ell, pedophilia generally refers to those who have a thing for very young children of 12 and under, not shagging adoring teenagers consensually. People look at it very differently now, but in general don't think any band members in the 70s saw having sex with young groupies as criminal behavior. Indulgent and decadent behavior, yes ... but that was the point ... Also entirely different from domestic violence. That said, Meighan appears to have done everything he could possibly do to make amends. I'm not into Kasabian or Meighan and don't honestly know that much about him as a person. But what I do know is that he admitted his guilt in court, served his sentence, did community service, undertook a serious alcohol rehab, went into therapy, asked his wife's forgiveness, and has spoken about his mental health struggles in ways that might help others to seek aid before doing something terrible. Hard to see what else he could do to try to be a better person, if you believe such a thing is possible. Are we really trying to make an argument here as if it's somehow less disgusting? Any guy who sexually exploits an underage individual - a child basically - is a paedophile. We can get bogged down in semantics and how differing intentions make the crime 'less so' but if you are a mature adult who takes advantage of a freakin child whose age dictates they will always be vulnerable (no matter how much the perpetrator preaches they were 'mature for their age' which doesn't exist), then that's fucked up regardless of the context. Pop music these days may not have a lot of quality for some, but rest assured, these new lot are a hell of a lot more moral and not sleazebags like the old generation. Forreal, what the f*ck? So R. Kelly was just some horny guy? Ffs |
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Post by girllikeabomb on Oct 29, 2021 17:56:31 GMT -5
Are we really trying to make an argument here as if it's somehow less disgusting? Any guy who sexually exploits an underage individual - a child basically - is a paedophile. We can get bogged down in semantics and how differing intentions make the crime 'less so' but if you are a mature adult who takes advantage of a freakin child whose age dictates they will always be vulnerable (no matter how much the perpetrator preaches they were 'mature for their age' which doesn't exist), then that's fucked up regardless of the context. Pop music these days may not have a lot of quality for some, but rest assured, these new lot are a hell of a lot more moral and not sleazebags like the old generation. Forreal, what the f*ck? So R. Kelly was just some horny guy? Ffs Not even remotely what I said. R Kelly was convicted of sex trafficking. He has also been charged several times for sexual abuse. These are real, heinous crimes and they will have consequences, as they should. They are just different crimes from pedophilia. Pedophila is a specific term that refers to those who desire (and sometimes prey upon, but not always) pre-pubescent children. That is what the word means. It's like if you say I'm eating an apple and you're actually eating a carrot, I will say, that's not an apple. If you don't want to use the term correctly, no worries. But nothing I said implies that "R. Kelly was just some horny guy," and that's not what I believe at all For fuck's sake indeed. The post I was responding to called rock stars who had consenting sex with very willing people under the age of 18 pedophiles. That's not correct, but I also personally think it's way more nuanced than that. If you think it's completely amoral to have sex with teenagers ever, under any circumstances, then so be it. That's a legit opinion to have. But has anyone who is getting so moralistic about sex checked into Oasis' behavior? |
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Post by glider on Oct 29, 2021 18:25:04 GMT -5
Forreal, what the f*ck? So R. Kelly was just some horny guy? Ffs Not even remotely what I said. R Kelly was convicted of sex trafficking. He has also been charged several times for sexual abuse. These are real, heinous crimes and they will have consequences, as they should. They are just different crimes from pedophilia. Pedophila is a specific term that refers to those who desire (and sometimes prey upon, but not always) pre-pubescent children. That is what the word means. It's like if you say I'm eating an apple and you're actually eating a carrot, I will say, that's not an apple. If you don't want to use the term correctly, no worries. But nothing I said implies that "R. Kelly was just some horny guy," and that's not what I believe at all For fuck's sake indeed. The post I was responding to called rock stars who had consenting sex with very willing people under the age of 18 pedophiles. That's not correct, but I also personally think it's way more nuanced than that. If you think it's completely amoral to have sex with teenagers ever, under any circumstances, then so be it. That's a legit opinion to have. But has anyone who is getting so moralistic about sex checked into Oasis' behavior? I don't give a shit about the Webster's fucking definition for a pedophile. If you're fucking minors, who no matter their age have ZERO CONSENT, you're a pedo and giant piece of trash. Period. I apologize if I put words in your mouth, but topics like this I have no patience for. |
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Post by oasisserbia on Oct 30, 2021 4:42:32 GMT -5
I mean, even if it is allowed, fuck every person who is like 30 and is having sex with someone who is 16. Fucking idiots.
And I like Tom vocals. And Tom is doing everything that he can, I think that is fair to forgive him after few years if he continue to act like he did after everything that happened. His wife did. But it's up to you.
Song is ok, I think that artist should do this and make music about what they feel at the moment. It's like saying to Lennon to shut up about his mother.
I like Tom, he seems to be honest person, emotional, real fan of rock and roll. Serge is now more like some crackhead trapper. He is in rock and roll band because that was popular when they were forming the band.
Kasabian new music is completely meaningless. It has nothing. Tom has emotions plus great voice.
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Post by matt on Oct 30, 2021 7:31:18 GMT -5
Just watched the video, all those cringy crocodile tears. It's embarrassing and his shameful attempt to exert some sympathy. In a debate about domestic violence, that's the kind of problematic controlling behaviour you'd expect. It's subtle, it's insidious, it's the kind of behaviour you'd expect from a man with serious problems. In all seriousness, it defies belief that he is some sort of redeemed character and worrying that people would buy into it. And as if we haven’t suffered enough with his song...
Christ what a fucking wimp.
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Post by matt on Oct 30, 2021 8:45:09 GMT -5
Forreal, what the f*ck? So R. Kelly was just some horny guy? Ffs Not even remotely what I said. R Kelly was convicted of sex trafficking. He has also been charged several times for sexual abuse. These are real, heinous crimes and they will have consequences, as they should. They are just different crimes from pedophilia. Pedophila is a specific term that refers to those who desire (and sometimes prey upon, but not always) pre-pubescent children. That is what the word means. It's like if you say I'm eating an apple and you're actually eating a carrot, I will say, that's not an apple. If you don't want to use the term correctly, no worries. But nothing I said implies that "R. Kelly was just some horny guy," and that's not what I believe at all For fuck's sake indeed. The post I was responding to called rock stars who had consenting sex with very willing people under the age of 18 pedophiles. That's not correct, but I also personally think it's way more nuanced than that. If you think it's completely amoral to have sex with teenagers ever, under any circumstances, then so be it. ;That's a legit opinion to have. But has anyone who is getting so moralistic about sex checked into Oasis' behavior? I don’t get this, so are you suggesting it’s only a matter of opinion if you do think it’s ‘amoral’? And are you really conflating Oasis or specifically Liam’s promiscuity with consenting women well over the legal age with underage kids basically? The age of consent is there for a reason. Because no matter how ‘consenting’ an underage person perceives themselves to be, they are at an age which biologically and emotionally they are NOT mature, no matter what they say or want. No young person is ever mature, think back to when us adults were that age, and you’d realise just how inferior your mindset is. They are called kids for a reason - if a fully grown adult takes advantage of that age no matter the mentality of the young individual involved, then that is sick. It’s rape. Even if that young person is eager to have sex, then it is the adults full responsibility to reject that. Could give a shite if creeps like Jimmy Page et.al. argue that it was consenting, it doesn’t make a difference. In their responsibility that should come with age, and in their awareness that the young person is not emotionally mature, there is no excuse. |
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Post by MacaRonic on Oct 30, 2021 9:19:02 GMT -5
Kasabian are and have always been a one dimensional riff band. No class to the songwriting. Basic, disposable melodies and the less said about Tom the better.
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Post by seanrulesrh on Oct 30, 2021 9:57:31 GMT -5
Wrong forum to create this thread I see
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Post by matt on Oct 30, 2021 11:51:14 GMT -5
I mean, even if it is allowed, fuck every person who is like 30 and is having sex with someone who is 16. Fucking idiots. And I like Tom vocals. And Tom is doing everything that he can, I think that is fair to forgive him after few years if he continue to act like he did after everything that happened. His wife did. But it's up to you. Song is ok, I think that artist should do this and make music about what they feel at the moment. It's like saying to Lennon to shut up about his mother. I like Tom, he seems to be honest person, emotional, real fan of rock and roll. Serge is now more like some crackhead trapper. He is in rock and roll band because that was popular when they were forming the band.
Kasabian's music is completely meaningless. It has nothing. Tom has no emotions plus a shit voice.Fixed. |
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Post by oasisserbia on Oct 30, 2021 13:17:32 GMT -5
Calm down.
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Post by tiger40 on Oct 30, 2021 13:28:13 GMT -5
I have no desire to listen to any of Kasabian's music or Tom's new album come to that. Not because of what he's done but I've never been a big fan of them anyway.
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Post by bt95 on Nov 1, 2021 5:54:21 GMT -5
Surprised to see this and the brass neck of Tom Meighan in trying to relaunch his career after his shameful past. Doesn't send a good message at all. Regardless, what maudlin self pitying crap. Thankfully his career is dead and we won't have to hear this shite on the radio. And Kasabian are just as bad for carrying on. It's a crying shame for fans of the band but you don't just sack off your 'mate' like that in that statement in the way they did and then try and carry on like nothing happened. Tom Meighan - he made his mistake, made his bed and has to lay in it. People have done worse and been able to carry on so I won't begrudge him trying to relaunch his career. I also won't have any interest in it myself personally. He's a dick for doing what he did but musically I'm not really that bothered - him and Serge together with Kasabian made some great tunes and gave me some great nights but the past is the past. I really was not at all arsed that Kasabian were supporting LG at Knebworth and frankly wish it was someone else. DMA's would do a better job but tbh they're beyond a supporting act now and have been for a long while. |
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Post by seanrulesrh on Nov 1, 2021 6:36:40 GMT -5
Remember that if the cancellation culture existed 20 years ago none of us would be listening to Oasis lads. I thought we were here for the music. We all love Michael Jackson's records even though there's a high chance he was a pedo. Even The Beatles were politically incorrect. The only reason why Kasabian kicked Tom out must be because their manager told them to. It's okay if you don't like their new tunes. But Kasabian has one of the best indie albums of the 2010 (Velociraptor) and one of the best debuts ever! Tom is a natural great singer. And that's what matters. Y'all forget that Liam smashed the papz in front of his young son? Or that he cheated on his wife publicly? Or that he had a daughter that he didn't want to meet until she was 17? No, you all haven't forget about that. But you're here because you love Liam's voice, attitude and music. I'm sorry but with Kasabian & Tom has to be the same. Otherwise, it's called double standards.
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Post by oasisserbia on Nov 1, 2021 12:36:46 GMT -5
I don't love or even like MJ 😅
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Post by tiger40 on Nov 1, 2021 14:03:42 GMT -5
I don't love or even like MJ 😅 Me neither and I've never liked him or any of his music whether it was with the Jackson 5 or solo. |
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Post by matt on Nov 1, 2021 16:38:31 GMT -5
Remember that if the cancellation culture existed 20 years ago none of us would be listening to Oasis lads. I thought we were here for the music. We all love Michael Jackson's records even though there's a high chance he was a pedo. Even The Beatles were politically incorrect. The only reason why Kasabian kicked Tom out must be because their manager told them to. It's okay if you don't like their new tunes. But Kasabian has one of the best indie albums of the 2010 (Velociraptor) and one of the best debuts ever! Tom is a natural great singer. And that's what matters. Y 'all forget that Liam smashed the papz in front of his young son? Or that he cheated on his wife publicly? Or that he had a daughter that he didn't want to meet until she was 17? No, you all haven't forget about that. But you're here because you love Liam's voice, attitude and music. I'm sorry but with Kasabian & Tom has to be the same. Otherwise, it's called double standards. You seriously cannot compare his level of misconduct with Liam. Liam's actions? It's not admirable, we all make mistakes but it ain't trashing your girlfriend all over the place in a brutal manner like Tom Meighan did, in front of a child as well. Liam has made loads of mistakes but there's levels to it and nothing comparable to Tom Meighan so I'm not sure how you can compare the two. Additionally, Liam is actually charismatic. Tom Meighan has always been an extremely unpleasant and loutish bellend and, to be quite honest, it's no surprise he participated in that kind of behaviour. The difference between the two is night and day, no matter how much the pretender Tom Meighan thinks otherwise. |
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Post by seanrulesrh on Nov 1, 2021 18:01:13 GMT -5
Remember that if the cancellation culture existed 20 years ago none of us would be listening to Oasis lads. I thought we were here for the music. We all love Michael Jackson's records even though there's a high chance he was a pedo. Even The Beatles were politically incorrect. The only reason why Kasabian kicked Tom out must be because their manager told them to. It's okay if you don't like their new tunes. But Kasabian has one of the best indie albums of the 2010 (Velociraptor) and one of the best debuts ever! Tom is a natural great singer. And that's what matters. Y 'all forget that Liam smashed the papz in front of his young son? Or that he cheated on his wife publicly? Or that he had a daughter that he didn't want to meet until she was 17? No, you all haven't forget about that. But you're here because you love Liam's voice, attitude and music. I'm sorry but with Kasabian & Tom has to be the same. Otherwise, it's called double standards. You seriously cannot compare his level of misconduct with Liam. Liam's actions? It's not admirable, we all make mistakes but it ain't trashing your girlfriend all over the place in a brutal manner like Tom Meighan did, in front of a child as well. Liam has made loads of mistakes but there's levels to it and nothing comparable to Tom Meighan so I'm not sure how you can compare the two. Additionally, Liam is actually charismatic. Tom Meighan has always been an extremely unpleasant and loutish bellend and, to be quite honest, it's no surprise he participated in that kind of behaviour. The difference between the two is night and day, no matter how much the pretender Tom Meighan thinks otherwise. The thing is that we shouldn't judge him because of his mistakes. We as the listeners have to judge him over the music. Some people don't want to even hear the track because of what he did. And its non sense. Not defending him, but as I said, musically speaking, he IS a good singer. |
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Post by girllikeabomb on Nov 1, 2021 19:38:27 GMT -5
Nobody on this forum (unless there are direct family members here in which case  ) knows any of these people even remotely well enough to sit in judgement of the sum of their sins (let alone to rank and compare them.) You see 10% of what goes on in any celebrity’s life, maybe 20% when people are particularly public (usually because they’re young or don’t have people protecting them) or have criminal charges or court cases against them, and most you don’t see and can’t possibly know. (And in that part you don't see lie both good and bad things of which you'll never be aware.) Some people don't want to ever hear about Meighan again (hopefully those people also don't buy John Lennon’s music either if they believe owning up to domestic violence can never be forgiven) and that point has been made here with clarity. The part I don't get, though, is once you've said you never want to hear from him again or that you loathe him, then why continue to hang out in this section of the forum? Just drop him from your mind. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 1, 2021 21:47:07 GMT -5
Nobody on this forum (unless there are direct family members here in which case ) knows any of these people even remotely well enough to sit in judgement of the sum of their sins (let alone to rank and compare them.) You see 10% of what goes on in any celebrity’s life, maybe 20% when people are particularly public (usually because they’re young or don’t have people protecting them) or have criminal charges or court cases against them, and most you don’t see and can’t possibly know. (And in that part you don't see lie both good and bad things of which you'll never be aware.) Some people don't want to ever hear about Meighan again (hopefully those people also don't buy John Lennon’s music either if they believe owning up to domestic violence can never be forgiven) and that point has been made here with clarity. The part I don't get, though, is once you've said you never want to hear from him again or that you loathe him, then why continue to hang out in this section of the forum? Just drop him from your mind. That is a good point about John Lennon no one really wants to talk about outside his biographies. He admitted many times in interviews that he use to hit his ex girlfriends along with his first wife Cynthia. He had a violent temper so he says. Shiiiiiit. He even sung about it in Beatles songs!!! |
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Post by girllikeabomb on Nov 1, 2021 23:16:12 GMT -5
That is a good point about John Lennon no one really wants to talk about outside his biographies. He admitted many times in interviews that he use to hit his ex girlfriends along with his first wife Cynthia. He had a violent temper so he says. Shiiiiiit. He even sung about it in Beatles songs!!! "I used to be cruel to my woman ..." He didn't try to hide it, especially once he got to the confessional post-Beatles phase, and if I remember correctly he once said in the latter years that it would take him the rest of his life to come to terms with the family violence he committed (of course, he then didn't have the rest of a life so we'll never know how he might have addressed it as he aged and the culture changed.) |
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Post by Headmaster on Nov 2, 2021 17:10:06 GMT -5
Nobody on this forum (unless there are direct family members here in which case ) knows any of these people even remotely well enough to sit in judgement of the sum of their sins (let alone to rank and compare them.) You see 10% of what goes on in any celebrity’s life, maybe 20% when people are particularly public (usually because they’re young or don’t have people protecting them) or have criminal charges or court cases against them, and most you don’t see and can’t possibly know. (And in that part you don't see lie both good and bad things of which you'll never be aware.) Some people don't want to ever hear about Meighan again (hopefully those people also don't buy John Lennon’s music either if they believe owning up to domestic violence can never be forgiven) and that point has been made here with clarity. The part I don't get, though, is once you've said you never want to hear from him again or that you loathe him, then why continue to hang out in this section of the forum? Just drop him from your mind. That is a good point about John Lennon no one really wants to talk about outside his biographies. He admitted many times in interviews that he use to hit his ex girlfriends along with his first wife Cynthia. He had a violent temper so he says. Shiiiiiit. He even sung about it in Beatles songs!!! |
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Post by funhouse on Nov 3, 2021 3:32:17 GMT -5
What's with the Lennon comparison? Guy's been dead more than 40 years, Meighan was caught with what he was doing less than a year ago, and he's already released a song crying about it. That's what bothers me, take some fucking time off after a thing like that.
Edit: Almost 1.5 years ago, damn. Doesn't really change my opinion though.
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) knows any of these people even remotely well enough to sit in judgement of the sum of their sins (let alone to rank and compare them.) You see 10% of what goes on in any celebrity’s life, maybe 20% when people are particularly public (usually because they’re young or don’t have people protecting them) or have criminal charges or court cases against them, and most you don’t see and can’t possibly know. (And in that part you don't see lie both good and bad things of which you'll never be aware.) 
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