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Post by El Auténtico Dios on Oct 19, 2022 13:56:14 GMT -5
Liam ruined 2002-3, 2005-6, 2008-9 tours with the damage on his voice, I really really would be very upset to play live every night with that waste of talent. I always thought it was the main reason to end Oasis.
Something that Liam understood partially just a couple of years ago and is something into his concerns by now (without Noel). But hey, carry on man, It's been a lot of time, and the thing is now for the fans I think. You had it all back then... You seriously still want to take revenge?
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Post by theunderclass on Oct 19, 2022 15:31:46 GMT -5
Can noel block a live version of the gig in video format? Either way what an idiot, shows how jealous he is Pretty sure he can which is why there was never a blu ray of Live by the River or MTV Unplugged. Audio release seems to be the only way that the composer doesn’t have the total ability to veto it.
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Post by theunderclass on Oct 19, 2022 15:37:25 GMT -5
How so? Noel is the artist. He’s the one that created these songs, come up with the words, music and melodies. He gets to control how they are used. You asked how so — I believe someone that utilizes their energy out of spite to control another (especially when it does not negatively impact them) meets the following definitions for the words you questioned. Wretched: (of a person) in a very unhappy or unfortunate state. Egomaniac: a person who is obsessively egotistical or self-centered. The songs were released by Oasis, not Noel Gallagher. Liam was in that band and his voice/persona/look, is, at the very least, partly responsible for their success. I also think it’s trivial for Noel to use the excuse that he’s doing these things because Liam said bad things about his family; Noel tried to control the narrative to make Liam look like an unapproachable idiot in the press for most of their career and blamed the breakup solely on Liam (all of which negatively impacted the perception of LG), when hindsight tells us he was angling for the solo career for a long time. In saying all of that, I think blocking songs from a tribute concert of a dead guy is more of an indictment of his character than blocking them for LG’s releases, but it’s all in the same lane of c*ntiness. Control is the key word … that’s what it is all about, if he had truly moved on with his life from Oasis he wouldn’t care and would let Liam do what he liked with the songs. But he still has to have control, even a decade on. As a guy who was beaten up by his father, that was all about the same thing. Noel’s actions just don’t take the form of physical abuse.
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Post by martha on Oct 19, 2022 15:54:39 GMT -5
i just needed to be in a room with a lot of people who were as angry at Noel as me, lmao, thanks
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Post by tezza198 on Oct 19, 2022 16:29:54 GMT -5
I keep losing respect for Noel and this latest incident I've lost even more. Noel is just a selfish, jealous bastard. He's obviously really jealous that Liam is more successful than what he is and it's just pathetic how he refuses to let Liam use his songs in films when he wants to release any. Doesn't Noel realise that he'd benefit too and make money out of the film. What a complete and utter twat Noel has become shame on him. I agree. I’m fucking fuming over this, it’s absolutely pathetic. I’m never going to see Noel live ever again and y’all shouldn’t either - besides let’s be honest, Liam is better than Noel in this current state. Both album wise and live so who cares However, as sad as I am about missing out on hearing the oasis classics, it’ll be very interesting to see how Liam’s songs will carry the doco, I think it’ll be fine just not as good without a few oasis thrown in there.
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Post by GlastoEls on Oct 19, 2022 16:48:18 GMT -5
I’m obsessed with two bands: Oasis and Pink Floyd. Every single day I have to read Noel/Liam or Waters/Gilmour troubles! You could always get into the Velvet Undergound as well ... then you'd have Lou/John drama too (even with Lou gone the psychodrama goes on ...)
I don’t know anything about them but I’ll definitely take a look. After yet more Gallagher controversy I need the distraction so thanks for the tip!
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Post by GlastoEls on Oct 19, 2022 17:11:43 GMT -5
I don’t know anything about them but I’ll definitely take a look. After yet more Gallagher controversy I need the distraction so thanks for the tip! I was mostly kidding but it could be an intriguing distraction! Possibly too dark for you, but definitely both a direct and indirect influence on Oasis ... even if they are complete opposites in some ways.
Probably too dark - I suspect you’re right - but you intrigued me!
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Post by tiger40 on Oct 19, 2022 17:48:38 GMT -5
I keep losing respect for Noel and this latest incident I've lost even more. Noel is just a selfish, jealous bastard. He's obviously really jealous that Liam is more successful than what he is and it's just pathetic how he refuses to let Liam use his songs in films when he wants to release any. Doesn't Noel realise that he'd benefit too and make money out of the film. What a complete and utter twat Noel has become shame on him. I agree. I’m fucking fuming over this, it’s absolutely pathetic. I’m never going to see Noel live ever again and y’all shouldn’t either - besides let’s be honest, Liam is better than Noel in this current state. Both album wise and live so who cares However, as sad as I am about missing out on hearing the oasis classics, it’ll be very interesting to see how Liam’s songs will carry the doco, I think it’ll be fine just not as good without a few oasis thrown in there. It is pathetic and shame on Noel and I agree it'll be interesting to see how well Liam's songs carry the doc but I'm sure it'll be ok but even so I would have prefered a few Oasis songs as well.
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Post by bestwick8 on Oct 19, 2022 18:08:31 GMT -5
Im really surprised how no interviewer has ever brought this topic up and asked Noel why hes blocked Oasis songs
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Post by martha on Oct 19, 2022 18:27:12 GMT -5
Im really surprised how no interviewer has ever brought this topic up and asked Noel why hes blocked Oasis songs this and other topics have always made me wonder but when i realized that he had final edit on the Matt podcast, it hit me that he probably has last say on the recorded ones and a list of no-go topics on the live ones :/ for someone that hates himself (and anyone that gives a shit about him) that much he sure cares about looking good to the general public
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Post by Binary Sunset on Oct 19, 2022 21:40:30 GMT -5
Im really surprised how no interviewer has ever brought this topic up and asked Noel why hes blocked Oasis songs Because interviewers tend to not want to piss off their interview subjects. That's how you no longer get access.
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Post by thespiderandthefly on Oct 19, 2022 22:43:15 GMT -5
Hard to imagine a coherent film here as the opener is Oasis as is the Encore (all last six songs). Will be interested to see how they make this an actual concert. Or maybe they won't. Who knows.
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Post by Jessica on Oct 19, 2022 23:51:11 GMT -5
From the website:
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Post by welshylad on Oct 20, 2022 4:45:02 GMT -5
I’m personally not interested in a documentary about the fans stories etc, its about the gig for me
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Post by jh on Oct 20, 2022 4:54:11 GMT -5
I’m personally not interested in a documentary about the fans stories etc, its about the gig for me 100% agree - I would just love to watch the gig in its full form - o k NG Oasis cuts...but as full as we can get. Not bothered about what some thought at the gig...much as I am sure it was brilliant. never bothrred with the doc on the last knebworth release...but the gigs...oooohyes!!!
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Post by garylineker on Oct 20, 2022 5:55:45 GMT -5
People hit the nail on the head about Noel's treatment of Liam throughout Oasis. Liam never liked doing interviews and it was always left to Noel to completely belittle him and goad him. It's why i'll always sympathise with how Liam reacted towards Noel. Liam did actually play up to the kind of less intelligent, less articulate thing because it was part of the Liam Gallagher persona but when he drops that character a bit you can see how intelligent and switched on he really is. You see a lot of it during As You Were, less so now he can slip back into being "Liam".
I agree also that the Taylor Hawkins thing will be very much rooted in what he said about Noel before his death and what Noel has been like towards the Foo Fighters in general. Sounds ridiculous to say given it's a tribute to a much loved person but Noel is every bit capable of being that petty. Without question. Anyone who has sided with Liam in anyway since the split has been treated like this by Noel. I believe he even stopped speaking to Chris Martin after the Manchester Concert.
What is perhaps a bit strange is how much more complimentary Noel has been towards Liam's success in recent months. He has been so much more laid back and seemingly happy in general, and it seemed like he had finally become a bit humble about Liam's solo stuff. I think we can see that's all just a PR front because he realised how damaging his bitterness was looking to everyone in the fanbase. He moaned that Liam had taken away his universal love from the Oasis fanbase on Twitter, but it was very much Noel's own making. Also very hypocritical to moan about your brother twisting a narrative to make you look worse. You've been doing that to Liam for 30 years Noel.
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Post by garylineker on Oct 20, 2022 6:06:32 GMT -5
On the topic of the documentary i think it'll suffer big time without Oasis songs. Get the feeling they'd have expected Noel's permission this time when they started filming footage for it. As It Was took a huge blow having to put a Liam bonus track over the Live Forever performance. It would have been amazing to document that gig properly and show everyone that performance (which i think is one of Liam's best ever). In the end it kind of became a lot of filler trying to pad out the running time which is a shame.
I personally don't think it needs a documentary. It's a big event but it kind of speaks for itself. A documentary on his whole Solo career after another album cycle would have been far more interesting, and would stand up by itself without any Oasis songs.
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Post by dampcottage on Oct 20, 2022 7:50:08 GMT -5
I think I asked about this on here before,but Noel has said a few times about selling the oasis catalogue when the time comes, anyone know when that is? And when it happens does that not mean a much better chance of Liam using the tunes seeing as it will be nothing to do with Noel anymore?
Catalog acquisition deals, like all deals, have the devil in their details. They can vary quite a bit and sync rights (especially the bit about who gets to consent) in particular are prone to a lot of negotiation (because they’re both valuable and directly linked to issues of personal and historical legacy).
Some deals now are structured to allow the artist to retain all legal and intellectual property rights to their work while relinquishing the economic revenues for cash up front.
So, the quick answer is: it depends.
thanks girl, I think we know Noel's negotiation tactics when the time comes: maximum money, total control
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Post by Gas Panic on Oct 20, 2022 8:07:12 GMT -5
Cinema tickets are already available to purchase by the way.
Earlier in the week it said Friday for tickets, but I just booked it at my local Odeon, and I noticed Cineworld also are selling tickets.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Oct 20, 2022 12:33:15 GMT -5
Im really surprised how no interviewer has ever brought this topic up and asked Noel why hes blocked Oasis songs This only came out like yesterday and he's not been interviewed, how would this happen exactly
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Post by tomlivesforever on Oct 20, 2022 12:46:16 GMT -5
Im really surprised how no interviewer has ever brought this topic up and asked Noel why hes blocked Oasis songs This only came out like yesterday and he's not been interviewed, how would this happen exactly Probably because its not the first time?
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Post by PepsiNebula on Oct 20, 2022 14:15:19 GMT -5
Catalog acquisition deals, like all deals, have the devil in their details. They can vary quite a bit and sync rights (especially the bit about who gets to consent) in particular are prone to a lot of negotiation (because they’re both valuable and directly linked to issues of personal and historical legacy).
Some deals now are structured to allow the artist to retain all legal and intellectual property rights to their work while relinquishing the economic revenues for cash up front.
So, the quick answer is: it depends.
thanks girl, I think we know Noel's negotiation tactics when the time comes: maximum money, total control I would imagine those two objectives would be in conflict here. The more control he keeps, the less money he'll get. Given that he's already leaving money on the table in order to keep Liam from using his songs, it seems like he'll take control over money, at least to a point.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Oct 20, 2022 15:51:58 GMT -5
This only came out like yesterday and he's not been interviewed, how would this happen exactly Probably because its not the first time? But he was asked about As It Was wasn't he?
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Post by albarncoxon on Oct 20, 2022 15:57:04 GMT -5
Is there any impediment for Liam to use his own Oasis's and BE's songs?
He's been years trashing Noel, especially via Twitter, and now he is surprised by this?
Sorry, but Liam has to grow up and genuinely believe in the stuff he has written over the years. He has a bunch of very good songs, so there's no a real need of using Noel's.
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Post by underawaterfall on Oct 20, 2022 16:59:24 GMT -5
Is there any impediment for Liam to use his own Oasis's and BE's songs? He's been years trashing Noel, especially via Twitter, and now he is surprised by this? Sorry, but Liam has to grow up and genuinely believe in the stuff he has written over the years. He has a bunch of very good songs, so there's no a real need of using Noel's. I’m sure they would have used solo songs even if he could use Oasis ones too
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