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Post by tomlivesforever on Oct 19, 2022 8:36:12 GMT -5
How so? Noel is the artist. He’s the one that created these songs, come up with the words, music and melodies. He gets to control how they are used. You asked how so — I believe someone that utilizes their energy out of spite to control another (especially when it does not negatively impact them) meets the following definitions for the words you questioned. Wretched: (of a person) in a very unhappy or unfortunate state. Egomaniac: a person who is obsessively egotistical or self-centered. The songs were released by Oasis, not Noel Gallagher. Liam was in that band and his voice/persona/look, is, at the very least, partly responsible for their success. I also think it’s trivial for Noel to use the excuse that he’s doing these things because Liam said bad things about his family; Noel tried to control the narrative to make Liam look like an unapproachable idiot in the press for most of their career and blamed the breakup solely on Liam (all of which negatively impacted the perception of LG), when hindsight tells us he was angling for the solo career for a long time. In saying all of that, I think blocking songs from a tribute concert of a dead guy is more of an indictment of his character than blocking them for LG’s releases, but it’s all in the same lane of vaginainess. Nailed it |
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Post by alanjwhite on Oct 19, 2022 8:48:57 GMT -5
How so? Noel is the artist. He’s the one that created these songs, come up with the words, music and melodies. He gets to control how they are used. You asked how so — I believe someone that utilizes their energy out of spite to control another (especially when it does not negatively impact them) meets the following definitions for the words you questioned. Wretched: (of a person) in a very unhappy or unfortunate state. Egomaniac: a person who is obsessively egotistical or self-centered. The songs were released by Oasis, not Noel Gallagher. Liam was in that band and his voice/persona/look, is, at the very least, partly responsible for their success. I also think it’s trivial for Noel to use the excuse that he’s doing these things because Liam said bad things about his family; Noel tried to control the narrative to make Liam look like an unapproachable idiot in the press for most of their career and blamed the breakup solely on Liam (all of which negatively impacted the perception of LG), when hindsight tells us he was angling for the solo career for a long time. In saying all of that, I think blocking songs from a tribute concert of a dead guy is more of an indictment of his character than blocking them for LG’s releases, but it’s all in the same lane of c*ntiness. Two Points 1. Liam is constantly bashing Noel on social media to millions of people. Why would anybody make accommodations for someone doing that to them? 2. Liam and/or his songwriting team should write some songs that people want to hear as much as the Oasis songs. He wouldn’t have to rely on his brothers songs then. However, we all know Liam’s albums are really just vehicles for his live shows where he can play mostly Oasis songs and have big audiences that want to see hear those songs. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Oct 19, 2022 9:04:06 GMT -5
You asked how so — I believe someone that utilizes their energy out of spite to control another (especially when it does not negatively impact them) meets the following definitions for the words you questioned. Wretched: (of a person) in a very unhappy or unfortunate state. Egomaniac: a person who is obsessively egotistical or self-centered. The songs were released by Oasis, not Noel Gallagher. Liam was in that band and his voice/persona/look, is, at the very least, partly responsible for their success. I also think it’s trivial for Noel to use the excuse that he’s doing these things because Liam said bad things about his family; Noel tried to control the narrative to make Liam look like an unapproachable idiot in the press for most of their career and blamed the breakup solely on Liam (all of which negatively impacted the perception of LG), when hindsight tells us he was angling for the solo career for a long time. In saying all of that, I think blocking songs from a tribute concert of a dead guy is more of an indictment of his character than blocking them for LG’s releases, but it’s all in the same lane of c*ntiness. Two Points 1. Liam is constantly bashing Noel on social media to millions of people. Why would anybody make accommodations for someone doing that to them? 2. Liam and/or his songwriting team should write some songs that people want to hear as much as the Oasis songs. He wouldn’t have to rely on his brothers songs then. However, we all know Liam’s albums are really just vehicles for his live shows where he can play mostly Oasis songs and have big audiences that want to see hear those songs. 1. Do you think while in Oasis Liam should have not turned up every time Noel had a pop at him in the press? Which he did, regularly, for years. 2. Noel relies on Oasis songs for his shows as well. Why shouldn't he or Liam. They're great songs after all. |
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Post by El Auténtico Dios on Oct 19, 2022 9:10:01 GMT -5
I've been thinking a lot since I read this in the morning. I'd have loved to see a full and 100% "pro" pro-shot of Liam. Like Down by the river Thames, but with 80.000 screaming lads. So it really hurts. Noel have money, also Liam. This is for the fucking me. I don't care how much they hate each other, I just wanted to see the fuckin gig. This is why I'm very sick of Noel, damn selfish man. He doesn't care of his brother, of his music (making his nowadays shit songs), of his fans, of his legacy. Aghj.
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Post by forestfan on Oct 19, 2022 9:32:35 GMT -5
Liam DOES NOT bash noel on twitter any more
He has calmed down a lot since like 2020 onwards —-
Just setting the record straight
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Post by Jgrp on Oct 19, 2022 9:42:01 GMT -5
Can noel block a live version of the gig in video format?
Either way what an idiot, shows how jealous he is
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Post by PepsiNebula on Oct 19, 2022 9:46:00 GMT -5
Weird how Noel doesn't block the video of Liam singing them with Oasis at Knebworth but does when he doesn't get any money from it.. He'd have gotten paid here, too. He'd negotiate the use of the songs and how much he'd be paid for them. Nobody's asking him to let the songs be used for free. |
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Post by dampcottage on Oct 19, 2022 9:54:17 GMT -5
Not all this shite again...Noel wrote the songs!! But Liam's voice made them unique!! Noel ain't letting Liam use the songs if he has a choice in it, it's hardly surprising, he didn't the last time, he isn't now and he won't be in the future, yes it's a dick move, but that's just how it is
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Post by PepsiNebula on Oct 19, 2022 9:56:42 GMT -5
1. Do you think while in Oasis Liam should have not turned up every time Noel had a pop at him in the press? Which he did, regularly, for years. This is what always gets me when Noel complains about Liam bashing him in the press. Noel talked shit about Liam for almost twenty years while the band was still together, and he got worse and worse towards the end. On the rare occasions Liam spoke directly to the press, he was at worst very mildly critical of Noel (for example, saying he listened to critics too much regarding BHN). Noel controlled the narrative for years and years. The big difference now is that the playing field is more even, and Noel can't handle it, IMO. |
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Post by forestfan on Oct 19, 2022 10:02:36 GMT -5
Not all this shite again...Noel wrote the songs!! But Liam's voice made them unique!! Noel ain't letting Liam use the songs if he has a choice in it, it's hardly surprising, he didn't the last time, he isn't now and he won't be in the future, yes it's a dick move, but that's just how it is Does it make it all right ? It doesn’t make it all right To Roll it over my soul , leave (the oasis songs In the doco) here |
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Post by raiderfan7 on Oct 19, 2022 10:03:28 GMT -5
How so? Noel is the artist. He’s the one that created these songs, come up with the words, music and melodies. He gets to control how they are used. You asked how so — I believe someone that utilizes their energy out of spite to control another (especially when it does not negatively impact them) meets the following definitions for the words you questioned. Wretched: (of a person) in a very unhappy or unfortunate state. Egomaniac: a person who is obsessively egotistical or self-centered. The songs were released by Oasis, not Noel Gallagher. Liam was in that band and his voice/persona/look, is, at the very least, partly responsible for their success. I also think it’s trivial for Noel to use the excuse that he’s doing these things because Liam said bad things about his family; Noel tried to control the narrative to make Liam look like an unapproachable idiot in the press for most of their career and blamed the breakup solely on Liam (all of which negatively impacted the perception of LG), when hindsight tells us he was angling for the solo career for a long time. In saying all of that, I think blocking songs from a tribute concert of a dead guy is more of an indictment of his character than blocking them for LG’s releases, but it’s all in the same lane of c*ntiness. Couldn’t have said it better myself |
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Post by walterglass on Oct 19, 2022 10:14:48 GMT -5
Mr Noel is a total cocksmith.
Change my mind.
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Post by dampcottage on Oct 19, 2022 10:17:21 GMT -5
Not all this shite again...Noel wrote the songs!! But Liam's voice made them unique!! Noel ain't letting Liam use the songs if he has a choice in it, it's hardly surprising, he didn't the last time, he isn't now and he won't be in the future, yes it's a dick move, but that's just how it is Does it make it all right ? It doesn’t make it all right To Roll it over my soul , leave (the oasis songs In the doco) here As with most things, we can all have an opinion, but the only person that matters said no, so that's that, he won't be changing his mind I think I asked about this on here before,but Noel has said a few times about selling the oasis catalogue when the time comes, anyone know when that is? And when it happens does that not mean a much better chance of Liam using the tunes seeing as it will be nothing to do with Noel anymore? |
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Post by coolprophet on Oct 19, 2022 10:26:07 GMT -5
Typical Noel again. Yikes!
Not surprised at all. I mean it was obvious he doesn't give a fuck about the old fans anymore and/or thinks acting like that is super edgy but at least we are granted with another Definitely Maybe "special anniversary collection" each year. They haven't even managed to start some Vault series with actual new releases... those lazy vaginas.
Ruining that Knebworh release with his behaviour really pisses me off. I got it though with As It Was but he could have make a move into the right direction and let Liam have his Knebworth moment being out there for the fans to re-watch forever.
That thing about the tribute concert is just pathetic though if true. It's not like he didn't know the FF from touring but apart from that it's really not about Liam here and what's his fuckin problem with those 2(!) songs being officially released for a good cause.
Pretty hard for me to like Noel after being an absolute die-hard til all that nonsense started with the Moon record and Liam having his success.
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Post by jeffrey on Oct 19, 2022 10:39:20 GMT -5
You asked how so — I believe someone that utilizes their energy out of spite to control another (especially when it does not negatively impact them) meets the following definitions for the words you questioned. Wretched: (of a person) in a very unhappy or unfortunate state. Egomaniac: a person who is obsessively egotistical or self-centered. The songs were released by Oasis, not Noel Gallagher. Liam was in that band and his voice/persona/look, is, at the very least, partly responsible for their success. I also think it’s trivial for Noel to use the excuse that he’s doing these things because Liam said bad things about his family; Noel tried to control the narrative to make Liam look like an unapproachable idiot in the press for most of their career and blamed the breakup solely on Liam (all of which negatively impacted the perception of LG), when hindsight tells us he was angling for the solo career for a long time. In saying all of that, I think blocking songs from a tribute concert of a dead guy is more of an indictment of his character than blocking them for LG’s releases, but it’s all in the same lane of c*ntiness. Two Points 1. Liam is constantly bashing Noel on social media to millions of people. Why would anybody make accommodations for someone doing that to them? 2. Liam and/or his songwriting team should write some songs that people want to hear as much as the Oasis songs. He wouldn’t have to rely on his brothers songs then. However, we all know Liam’s albums are really just vehicles for his live shows where he can play mostly Oasis songs and have big audiences that want to see hear those songs. Yes, Liam has said immature shit about Noel on social media and Noel essentially curated the public perception of Liam since the beginning. Noel also belittled the original members of Oasis publicly by slating their musical abilities and painted Liam as an uneducated buffoon. Seems like he’s always wanted to be viewed as the messiah while the rest of them rode his coattails. Not everyone looks at his Liam’s solo output as a vehicle for live shows; he’s garnered a lot of new fans that were not previously familiar with the Oasis catalogue. Noel is not Oasis. Neither is Liam. They are all responsible for the success, regardless to which degree. |
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Post by quantum on Oct 19, 2022 10:40:28 GMT -5
Weird how Noel doesn't block the video of Liam singing them with Oasis at Knebworth but does when he doesn't get any money from it.. As girllikeabomb has said, he can basically name his price for this OR say no. He chose the latter, when he could have said "100% or it doesn't happen", so it's not about money, but instead control/spite. |
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Post by frogerz on Oct 19, 2022 11:14:39 GMT -5
I'm sure Noel won't care but this surely puts a lot of people off him for being so petty.
As I'm not clued up on these sorts of things.. If Noel were to sell his catalogue to a fund like Hypgnosis would he then relinquish the rights to block video footage like this? I know Noel mentioned previously about selling them from 2025 I believe.
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Post by jmp111181 on Oct 19, 2022 11:36:54 GMT -5
I'm not in the least surprised or shocked he blocked the songs from Knebworth. That's par for the course for their relationship. I am, however, surprised, and really disappointed in him blocking it from the Taylor Hawkins tribute. Talk about "this is history," those shows were historical, and will be remembered up with Live Aid, etc. And as a tribute to someone beloved by literally the entire music industry, to block the songs from being used in that situation is just petty and bitter, and no doubt will rub a lot of his peers the wrong way.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2022 12:00:13 GMT -5
I'm not in the least surprised or shocked he blocked the songs from Knebworth. That's par for the course for their relationship. I am, however, surprised, and really disappointed in him blocking it from the Taylor Hawkins tribute. Talk about "this is history," those shows were historical, and will be remembered up with Live Aid, etc. And as a tribute to someone beloved by literally the entire music industry, to block the songs from being used in that situation is just petty and bitter, and no doubt will rub a lot of his peers the wrong way. I'm not surprised about that either. Noel disliked Taylor Hawkins and Dave Grohl. And he loves to hold a grudge. |
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Post by rollagher on Oct 19, 2022 12:11:22 GMT -5
Pretty big leap to assume they'll be Noel insults in the film. Whatever Liam might think I assume Debbie is smarter than that. Well, Noel said this in an interview in 2019 where he was talking about the documentary "As it was" for which he had also refused the rights and in which there were indeed a lot of passages where Liam and his relatives criticised Noel and sometimes insulted him. As for the next Knebworth documentary, maybe you're right and Liam will be much calmer, more measured and intelligent. I hope so. But it's still possible that there will be negative things about Noel, it's not unlikely at all. Obviously, Noel is not innocent and some of Liam's insults and criticisms of him are sometimes justified. And Noel has said as much. I'm just saying that if I put myself in Noel's shoes for two seconds, I can understand why he wouldn't want his music to be used in a documentary where it's possible that he could be talked about very badly. I'm Not satisfied with your opinion that Oasis Songs are HIS music. That might be right in a legal sense, but as a fan I think this Songs are as well owned by anybody else who were Part of the recording process. It's simply a new chapter in a Jealousy driven sibling Fight. He simply don't want to See His Brother sucessful and don't care for the Fans of HIS music. For me it's getting Harder and Harder to Like him! |
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Post by Diamond in The Dark on Oct 19, 2022 12:55:29 GMT -5
-Noel since the early years of Oasis has tried to exploit Liam's voice drops to take over the scene and make himself known as a "frontman"
-Noel in interviews at the time of Oasis has always labeled Liam as an idiot and himself as a genius
-He blamed Liam for the end of Oasis. Trying cunningly to divert all the "old" Oasis audience in the direction of High Flying Birds
-Liam consequently reacted nervously after so many years of slander
I wonder how some of you blame Liam for his outbursts of Noel. He did very well. He could not continue to be treated like this by his brother.
Today Noel continues to be the bastard. Encouraged by Liam's "annoying" solo success.
The result is that in reality the victim is Liam and the executioner is Noel. Even though Noel is good at pretending he's been teased ...
So Liam does very well to react on social media against him. Noel's bullying of Liam must stop!
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Post by tiger40 on Oct 19, 2022 13:01:08 GMT -5
I keep losing respect for Noel and this latest incident I've lost even more. Noel is just a selfish, jealous bastard. He's obviously really jealous that Liam is more successful than what he is and it's just pathetic how he refuses to let Liam use his songs in films when he wants to release any. Doesn't Noel realise that he'd benefit too and make money out of the film. What a complete and utter twat Noel has become shame on him.
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Post by eyeflying on Oct 19, 2022 13:01:49 GMT -5
Well, Noel said this in an interview in 2019 where he was talking about the documentary "As it was" for which he had also refused the rights and in which there were indeed a lot of passages where Liam and his relatives criticised Noel and sometimes insulted him. As for the next Knebworth documentary, maybe you're right and Liam will be much calmer, more measured and intelligent. I hope so. But it's still possible that there will be negative things about Noel, it's not unlikely at all. Obviously, Noel is not innocent and some of Liam's insults and criticisms of him are sometimes justified. And Noel has said as much. I'm just saying that if I put myself in Noel's shoes for two seconds, I can understand why he wouldn't want his music to be used in a documentary where it's possible that he could be talked about very badly. I'm Not satisfied with your opinion that Oasis Songs are HIS music. That might be right in a legal sense, but as a fan I think this Songs are as well owned by anybody else who were Part of the recording process. It's simply a new chapter in a Jealousy driven sibling Fight. He simply don't want to See His Brother sucessful and don't care for the Fans of HIS music. For me it's getting Harder and Harder to Like him! Yes, I was speaking from a legal point of view. But I should have been clearer and just written "The music he wrote". Otherwise, I agree with you, Oasis is not only Noel but also Liam and all the other members of Oasis who are too often forgotten to be mentioned. |
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Post by noeloliam on Oct 19, 2022 13:26:13 GMT -5
Keep in mind that this is probably the very reason why this band was ever that good. Both are egocentric maniacs with big passion, pride and talent, it's just how it goes. Respect to both, I personally never sided one, never will probably.
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Post by themanwholivesinhell on Oct 19, 2022 13:39:14 GMT -5
What this seems to have reminded some people of is how Noel wasn’t exactly a saint to Liam during Oasis. Liam has admittedly been the more vocal of the two since Twitter came about, and on a few occasions has taken it too far. Thus in recent years, many people seem to have adopted this false belief that Noel rarely had a bad word to say about Liam.
Which of course is the opposite of the truth. For basically the whole of Oasis, Noel quite often made digs at Liam in the press, and arguably contributed to his becoming publicly known as a hapless oaf. And Liam mostly just took it as banter, the notable exception being that hangover/laryngitis claim in 2009.
I won’t lie; once Noel got sober, Liam probably wasn’t the easiest person to work with. But for years it seemed like Noel could say anything about him and it would just be swept under the rug.
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