Absolutely agree it should've been on Standing On the Shoulder of Giants. I don't have any idea why Noel left that out. 

Especially the lamacq live session.

I think the football analogy is bad one. Music fans are versed in vocals irrespective of whether they like Oasis or not. Separating the vocalist from the songs isn't difficult. To me people with mixed opinions are often some of the most objective, unbiased and enlightening. 

These are points connected so I'll join them together to narrow things down and keep myself sane. Apologies, I misspelled 'imagining'. Probably didn't help, ha.

It's important to remember we don't actually know what Noel sung songs Liam could've sung unless we've heard Liam sing them live, heard a studio recording of it or it's been quoted by someone in or closely connected to the band. The disparity between the brothers two vocal ranges would of increased over time too. Whatever you are imagining in your head is best case scenario and won't be accounting for the realities of the situation. It's also probably worth noting Liam's not exactly the most reliable band member so I personally wouldn't at all be surprised to learn if his actions ever meant Noel had to take over in the studio. It's also worth noting the lack of Liam's falsetto after Definitely Maybe ('She's Electric' being a obvious exception) something Noel has speculated that he no longer did (at least live) because he thought it was a "bit gay".

I'm not denying you can't bond with vocal takes but saying that's the only reason why anyone would ever prefer a Noel vocal is indeed a condescending thing to say. You can't know other people's views and I've already pointed out that mine don't adhere to what you're claiming. You seem to think it's completely impossible for Noel to do a better vocal take than Liam. Like most people on here I'd say Liam's gonna take it the vast majority of the time (provided it's in range (and yes, he should've sang on more)) but every now and then Noel's gonna do something that's arguably gonna be a better take on the song. 

I would suggest that the reason people rarely exclaim that they'd prefer to hear Noel sing a Liam sung song is because a) they generally prefer Liam as a singer and b) it's assumed that Liam's vocals are on the track because he successfully sung it better than Noel. When someone says a song 'suits Noel' they aren't necessarily excluding Liam but suggesting this is the sort of song Noel excels on so it's not such a clear cut call on who is gonna sing it. Not everyone would agree that Liam nail's every type of song Oasis have ever done. They'll likely think he's really good at some types of songs and is not quite as good at others.

This imagined context is nonsense. You're over complicated things. Let's just say everything was the same but Noel sang 'Wonderwall'. I'm not saying it's quite the same level as Liam having sung it but it's gonna be a mega, mega hit.

Let's just remember what you initially said I took issue with: "Liam even has a tonne of subtlety when he's belting the songs out - that's why Wonderwall is one of the most iconic songs ever."

I don't know why you're continuing with this point. I've already stated that you changed the question I was arguing against on me and I wrongly engaged with this new question for a quick poll I could throw at you. I engaged because of how much you overinflated the importance of vocals tracks. As for the one song you're looking for I'm gonna direct you to paragraph 5 of this response. I think this point you're trying to make is far weaker than you are making it out to be. Everyone prefers Liam as a vocalist (on the whole) and wanted Liam to sing more songs than he did so it's not really much of a surprise is it? I'll say it once again, the point I was really arguing was the condescending one: "the only quality to an Oasis song that truly makes people think that Noel should have sang it is that he did sing it and now that's how they think of the song."

So you think that you wrongly prefer 'Talk Tonight' and 'Half the World Away' with Noel on vocals? And you've never even heard Liam sing them. What a fucking trip.

1) Music fans are versed in vocals irrespective of whether they like Oasis or not. Separating the vocalist from the songs isn't difficult. To me people with mixed opinions are often some of the most objective, unbiased and enlightening.

I don't know what kind of "objectivity" you're looking for, though. Everyone is biased. We all have our own tastes and preferences, our own backgrounds and cultures - and with Oasis/Liam, you get something that tends to be quite marmite with the general audience. I just don't see how productive it is to say that people who don't really like Oasis might not find a lot of emotion in Liam's voice. It's true, but you could say the same for every singer. If they did love Liam's voice as I and many others do, chances are they'd be Oasis fans and apparently then less objective. For me, it's more meaningful to talk about how Liam's voice did capture an audience for Oasis that wouldn't have existed otherwise, and to discuss the effect that his vocals on songs that he didn't sing would have had on who did connect with Oasis rather than those who didn't. You could butcher the appeal of any band by trying to get a fabled "objective" view-point from people who aren't that into them. Bob Dylan would have sounded like Donovan if you informed his vocal choices by people who never got into Bob Dylan. 

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2) Whatever you are imagining in your head is best case scenario and won't be accounting for the realities of the situation. It's also probably worth noting Liam's not exactly the most reliable band member so I personally wouldn't at all be surprised to learn if his actions ever meant Noel had to take over in the studio.

Well, of course, if it was the case that Liam couldn't hit a song, wasn't willing to sing it, wasn't around at the time and was off being Liam somewhere, I can sympathise with Noel taking over. This whole thing isn't an actual demand that the band should have worked to get Liam on every song regardless all real factors, but more a wish that the factors had worked so that he did sing pretty much every song. I know I'm never going to actually get a Liam-sang studio version of The Masterplan. I just wish that things had worked out so that we had got one from the start. And although It's possible that external factors made it impossible for Liam to sing some tunes, but I think the largest one on the whole was probably that Noel just wanted to take over more tunes and wasn't willing to fight particularly hard to get Liam on songs, particularly if circumstance made it difficult. 

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3) I'm not denying you can't bond with vocal takes but saying that's the only reason why anyone would ever prefer a Noel vocal is indeed a condescending thing to say.

Good thing I've never said it, then. I feel like you're misunderstanding what I mean when I talk about "people". I don't mean that nobody would ever just rather Noel sing a song even if Liam originally did  - you are living proof that that's not the case. There is also, like I said, millions of non-Oasis-fans who think Noel should've sang most of the songs. What I mean is that when there is a song that the general Oasis fandom says "suits Noel", that is almost invariably because he did sing it and we've all come to bond to the song with those vocals. Like I said, there will always be outliers in opinion, but I'm talking general trends within the fandom - and the fact is that while there are plenty of Noel songs people would switch to Liam, there are basically none going the other way. I find it a bit telling that your explanation for this is that a) people like Liam's voice more, which is a bit like saying "You only won that race because you're faster than me!", or b) that the band put Liam onto songs which he sang better than Noel. Which is true from my point of view of course, but it's also a leap of imagination that Liam did sing all the Noel-sung songs and the band (read: Noel) made the right choice to put Noel on the songs instead. 

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4) Let's just say everything was the same but Noel sang 'Wonderwall'. I'm not saying it's quite the same level as Liam having sung it but it's gonna be a mega, mega hit. Let's just remember what you initially said I took issue with: "Liam even has a tonne of subtlety when he's belting the songs out - that's why Wonderwall is one of the most iconic songs ever."

These two things aren't contradictory. None of it is. I think all these things are true: Liam's voice is a massive part of what made Oasis get to the level that they were able to release a major hit. Once they got to that point, Wonderwall would have been a major hit even with Noel vocals. But Liam's voice is a massive part of what made it more than just a major hit -  one of the most iconic songs ever made. Liam's voice has the power to add that magic to basically every Oasis song, and I wish things had turned out so that he'd done just that. Even Noel-sung songs which are already iconic in their way - DLBIA, The Masterplan, Half the World Away - would have gained an extra level of following and iconic nature with Liam vocals, IMO. 

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5) I don't know why you're continuing with this point. I've already stated that you changed the question I was arguing against on me and I wrongly engaged with this new question for a quick poll I could throw at you.

Like I said, let's forget the poll. I personally would find it surprising that - assuming it's true that some songs just "suit Noel" more than Liam - there is not a single Oasis song sang by Liam that there's much public will in the Oasis fandom to have been sung by Noel. Fifteen years, hundreds of Liam-sang songs, and not one that you ever hear any real desire from the fandom at large to hand to Noel because it would have suited him more. This either suggests that Liam owns songs entirely when he sings them, that Oasis never misattributed a Noel song to him, or that the idea of a song "suiting Noel" is basically born from the fact that Noel did sing the song and now that's just how the song is conceptualised by most fans. I feel like it's a mix of the first and third reasons, which leads to believe that Liam should have sang pretty much every Oasis song. 

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6) So you think that you wrongly prefer 'Talk Tonight' and 'Half the World Away' with Noel on vocals? And you've never even heard Liam sing them. What a fucking trip.

Honestly don't see what's so weird about this. We're all sat here listening to vibrations in the air at the end of the day, the whole thing is a trip - I think it's reasonable to acknowledge that some songs form a deep bond with you that makes you reticent to change anything about them, even if you're also willing to acknowledge that certain changes to the vocals/production/etc... would have lead to a song that bonded with you and others even more if it had been released like that in the first place. I'm by no means above the sentimental, time-line-based judgements of music that I've apparently condescended others with. I'm just aware that they're based on the fact that we can only experience and bond with this one version of how Oasis' career played out, rather than ascribing some form of correctness to the band's decisions that was inherent in them from the start.

Bit of a fatal contradiction in your argument here.  If generic vocalists can make hit songs, and Wonderwall would be a global hit no matter who sang it, why is Liam the only singer who made it a hit?  Now you're saying because it wasn't done "well," but what does that even mean other than no one made it stand out the way Liam did when he sang it ... which is exactly the point.   Anyway, agree to disagree.  

OK . Here goes 
Wembley Stadium 2000 first night 
Merryfield Stadium 
Reading Festival 
For a start.

Lord Don't Slow Me Down works with both. Noel's version is softer. I enjoy both and i really like the mix with both vocals.

Agree about Full on though, this song needed Liam. Partly because it's a weaker melody and Liam can level up weak melodies.

I'm not talking about "people who don't really like Oasis". I'm talking about people with "mixed opinions" i.e. they can give both positives and negatives about the band. From my experience they're usually the ones who are onto something.

I feel like you're comments on the subject can sometimes oversimplify some of these factors, such as: 

"If we can make Noel wise enough to choose the best tracks, we can make him wise enough to choose the best singer."

"It's Liam Gallagher. He sings the songs."

Personally I think it's wise not to go all in when there multiple unknowables at play.

Mate. You literally said: "Because the only quality to an Oasis song that truly makes people think that Noel should have sang it is that he did sing it and now that's how they think of the song." It's condescending.

I follow the logic but it's the sweeping assumption and not being open to other answers I disagree with. 

Having already spoken about iconic debut singles & one hit wonders I personally find this context stuff to be rather superfluous. As far as I'm concerned it's a hit either way and your original statement was obviously untrue. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

I think it's pretty weird to say that my preference is the 'incorrect' one. Especially when you've never heard or likely will hear the 'correct' one. Sounds like you're tying yourself in knots.

Hahahaha.  Are you also arguing that "Bohemian Rhapsody" would be a hit if anybody sang it?  If Freddie Mercury doesn't make that song, I don't know what does ... you keep making my case for me!  

Nah, your original argument was that Wonderwall would be a hit no matter who sang it.  How does "Bohemian Rhapsody" bolster your case?  I get that you're saying it's too famous for anyone to cover ... but it's too famous because of the freaking amazing voice ... anyway, like I said earlier, agree to disagree.  

Great point.
#wereallinthecloud(s)

So, to sum up, in response to my original post about reworking SOTSOG, Wonderwall may or may not have been a hit had Noel sang it 😅