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Post by quantum on Jun 17, 2021 8:44:48 GMT -5
On "Noel Gallagher Out Of The Now on Sky Arts", he said "We should have taken 5 years out after Knebworth". Had they done so, what do you think would have happened to Oasis?
They could have released The Masterplan in 97 instead, and delayed BHN for another year or two with the hope some stronger songs would have come along.
Thoughts?
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Post by megyesitomate on Jun 17, 2021 8:48:52 GMT -5
If I were Noel, I would've gone fishing and drinking for the next 5 years and then started over with a different band name (and members, except for Liam) so people wouldn't have expected anything.
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Post by welshylad on Jun 17, 2021 9:08:31 GMT -5
Definitely not
If they did that we wouldn't have the best tour ever created by any band. The Be Here Now tour
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Jun 17, 2021 9:11:27 GMT -5
If I were Noel, I would've gone fishing and drinking for the next 5 years and then started over with a different band name (and members, except for Liam) so people wouldn't have expected anything. Noel and Liam in a different band would still have had massive expectations. To the general public Noel and Liam are oasis, it doesn’t matter who else is backing them up.
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Post by dazed on Jun 17, 2021 9:25:32 GMT -5
Would've been a bad idea for Liam I think, his hashimotos would've progressed and people would've found it more jarring. I'm one of the few that think they ended at the right time. The Oasis story for me was never meant to be about an onslaught of no.1s and success from start to finish, it was the story of 5 working class lads making it big after 3 years of graft and rehearsal and then having it morph into a mega-brand. They had two/three-ish psychedelic and experimental albums at the time of breaking up (sotsog, doys) and getting to the stage where they were re-writing the same kinds of songs for stadium tours. They'd done it all already, I don't think there was much more to prove.
A reunion in the future wouldn't be preferred to seeing the two brothers make up and be family again.
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Post by quantum on Jun 17, 2021 10:44:32 GMT -5
Definitely not If they did that we wouldn't have the best tour ever created by any band. The Be Here Now tour True! My first Oasis gig was on that tour at Earls Court
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Post by Aman on Jun 17, 2021 13:40:00 GMT -5
Nah, that would've been way too long.
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Post by beentherenow on Jun 17, 2021 13:44:00 GMT -5
Nope not 5 years but defo 12 months.
Going straight into the studio after the whole US Tour and MTV unplugged thing was mad. Morning Glory was still new and shiny. Let the dust settle a little but not gather entirely and then reassess things.
Then again was Be Here Now inevitable? Yeah probably.
And I love it for it
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Post by Headmaster on Jun 17, 2021 14:14:47 GMT -5
It didn't work for The Stone Roses.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 17, 2021 14:44:18 GMT -5
15 year old me would never have agreed to that plan!!!!!
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Post by The Thieving Magpie on Jun 17, 2021 14:53:50 GMT -5
during 5 years, Radiohead have released OK Computer and Kid A. and Blur, self-titled album, 13. If they released BHN in 2001, very outdated to people?
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Post by underneaththesky on Jun 17, 2021 21:52:34 GMT -5
too many PRODUCERS around here
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Post by tiger40 on Jun 18, 2021 12:48:02 GMT -5
Five years, yes, that's maybe a bit too long. Two years would have been better and if they'd taken that time off then Be Here Now probably wouldn't have been the big mess that it is. Oasis definitely needed a break after Knebworth.
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Post by settingson on Jun 18, 2021 20:05:29 GMT -5
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Post by powerage09 on Jun 19, 2021 17:53:40 GMT -5
No.
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Post by freddy838 on Jun 19, 2021 18:04:05 GMT -5
I don't know what it would really have achieved. If Noel would have used the time to write non-Oasis style songs it would have gone even more tits up as he hasn't really shown much talent for that. They just needed a different producer for Be Here Now as I reckon the songs are largely good enough, if you took a shit-load of layers of nonsense off it would have been great. Maybe if Spike Stent worked with Noel for Be Here Now rather than SOTSOG it would have been better.
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Post by GlastoEls on Jun 20, 2021 3:41:33 GMT -5
One year off maybe!
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Post by yogurt on Jun 20, 2021 14:33:18 GMT -5
It didn't work for The Stone Roses. At least it would’ve been by choice The Stone Roses were forced into the hiatus due to label and management issues and by the time they went to record another album, they basically did even like each other. That said, 5 years is too long. 2/3 would’ve been ok. Not sure what difference it would’ve made really in some ways. Obviously the next release would’ve probably been very different. But in terms of popularity and things like that, they had already pretty much established their dedicated fan base and the rest who just follow what is fashionable had probably moved on to other things by 1999 anyway. Certainly would’ve been interesting to see where the music would’ve went though, without all the madness of the BHN era happening, then the drug use may have been less, and obviously kicking that side of things had an effect on SOTSOG. With all that in mind, it would’ve probably been an entirely different bunch of songs.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jun 20, 2021 14:47:23 GMT -5
5 years is too much, but I think Noel needed to take a bit of a break before going back to writing, his life had changed completely in such a short period of time and he clearly felt the pressure of having to write a record while on top of the world
I understand why they went straight into BHN tho, they were at such heights you kind of wanna milk it until it's there, but had they taken sone more time to write and record it properly so to match the public's expectations maybe it would've taken them into another stratosphere in terms of global success
With that said though, Oasis were never supposed to be U2, the relative failure of a drug-fuelled recording is part of what they are in the end, the 00s did more damage to their reputation than BHN, if something
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 21, 2021 6:26:49 GMT -5
No.
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Post by andymorris on Jun 21, 2021 7:44:26 GMT -5
5 years in 96 and they would been forgotten, has beens. There was so much music around. Sure BHN was not that well received by the media, but it was massive, historical, huge tour, huge, huge, huge in every way possible. People enjoyed it. People talked about it. What's to regret ? Noel had a shit time, but as fan, i'm glad BHN exist. It's a huge rock n roll record, the songs are there, the production is one of a kind. Sure, with a good remix and remaster, it would be even better. The unnecessary record is DBTT. Take a year or more and mix it with DOYS. Boom, Oasis doesn't implode (in 2009, but probably two years later )
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Post by tiger40 on Jul 3, 2021 13:39:57 GMT -5
I seem to remember Noel saying that the band would take around 4/5 years off during their later days when Gem and Andy were in the band too.
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Post by themanwholivesinhell on Sept 8, 2021 15:58:19 GMT -5
Maybe not five years, but I do feel Be Here Now was released at the wrong time. I think it should've been in Summer/Autumn '96 to follow Knebworth (like Owen Morris suggested) when they were still untouchable, or otherwise waited til around late '98.
Basically, Be Here Now didn’t singlehandedly kill feel-good Britpop like some say; by mid-'97 it had already peaked. Things were changing; with OK Computer and Urban Hymns, high-charting rock shifted to a more melancholy and less accessible sound. Hence full-on mainstream pop moved toward teen/dance acts like the Spice Girls and Backstreet Boys. In the UK at least, that 94-97 era basically was the last time that rock totally was the mainstream pop genre, rather than just being a part of the mainstream. If Be Here Now had equalled Oasis’ earlier albums, it might have prolonged Britpop for perhaps a year, but the end was inevitable.
Ive often said that Blur were somewhat lucky, in that they had their BHN-type “comedown” earlier with The Great Escape in 95-96. Overrated by critics on release and sold well, but by Summer '96 most agreed it wasn't as good as Parklife. Which then enabled them to make their big change with Blur in early '97; before Britpop ended. And that change basically saved their artistic credibility.
I think if Oasis had waited til late '98 to put out Be Here Now, even they would have realised a need to update their sound. It would have been better-produced, and have a better general reputation. Also, they'd have avoided that reputation they seemed to have outside the fanbase from around 1999-2004, which was that of a relic from a past era trying to recreate their two great albums. As a kid whose friends all liked whatever was hip, I remember it was with Don't Believe The Truth that they started to regain some mainstream credibility, as they evolved into more of a classic alt-rock band.
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Post by garylineker on Sept 8, 2021 20:14:04 GMT -5
I don't subscribe to this theory that Be Here Now, the Spice Girls popularity and Diana's death are all this binding narrative that meant the cool britania/britpop movement was destined for the end. It seems to a popular opinion amongst journalists like John Harris who just hate Oasis.
If (and its obviously a big if) the next album was as good as Morning Glory they'd have carried on their dominance.
One thing I will say is though, and it's commonly overlooked, Oasis are a band that people were waiting to see fail. Morning Glory got awful reviews. Its only because the songs were so undeniably popular that they back tracked. So Be Here Now was perfect to knock them down with, albeit months later when they were sure we all wouldn't love it like WTSMG.
It certainly had nothing to do with the Spice Girls and sure as hell wasn't relatable to Diana's death.
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Post by darmin on Sept 9, 2021 1:44:48 GMT -5
No. The general public and the fans wanted an album as great as WTS(MG), anything less than that would be disappointment. Maybe after 5 years hiatus their disappointment would be even bigger, after such a long wait. Look at reception of Lorde’s new album. It would be: you made us wait for 5 years for that?! Although the band needed like 1 year rest after Knebworth, yeah. MTV unplugged, the US tour could be much different... but it’s understandable why they carried on
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