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Post by The Invisible Sun on May 14, 2021 10:05:11 GMT -5
It's dad rock. E'nuff said
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Post by freddy838 on May 14, 2021 11:23:11 GMT -5
I don't really buy it's Noel doing anything particularly new, he has done what he has always done and completely ripped off someone else's tune. Hardly creative. At least he would usually knick bits and make something new and often better from an old tune. This is just shocking and introduced the embarrassing Noel dance routine to the world to make it worse.
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Post by oasisserbia on May 14, 2021 12:55:26 GMT -5
It's forced joy and fun, you can join Herbalife cult if that is fun and joy to you hahahaha. That song is woman on instagram taking selfie to show how happy she is. You just don't take selfie and share with random people how happy you are when you are really happy.
But really, I just think it's shit, I just can't like it just because of one Gallaghers wrote it. There is no way that I would like that song if I heard it on radio without knowing who wrote it and sing. I mean, it's not like that I like it when I know who wrote it but you know what I mean.
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Post by tiger40 on May 14, 2021 13:16:11 GMT -5
The song doesn't suit Noel and neither does dance music in general.
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Post by spaneli on May 14, 2021 14:18:21 GMT -5
See even this thread is divisive The great majority of divisive art is usually great art. And historically the side that really likes the divisive work tends to “win” out by becoming the predominant opinion. |
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on May 14, 2021 14:23:35 GMT -5
Simply put it's too far removed from the music a fair chunk of Oasis fans like.
I don't think Noel was trying to insult the Oasis audience but was making this same point. I think there's a very strong stereotype as to what an Oasis fan is and the music they listen to is part of that. Stuff like The Stone Roses, The La's, The Beatles, The Kinks, British bands from the 60s, The Smiths, The Jam, Kasabian, Arctic Monkeys, landfill indie bands, The Verve, britpop bands... You know.
Personally I like the song, it's undeniably joyous and catchy. The weird, offbeat sounds in there are great. Presumably Holmes's work?
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Post by girllikeabomb on May 14, 2021 17:34:32 GMT -5
See no evidence, despite the rumors, that anyone here dislikes this because they can’t bear to see Noel successful, or they’re incapable of having fun (hey even She Bangs was way more fun for some of us), or they’re triggered to deep trauma by every song that isn’t an exact replica of 1996 Oasis (personally I listen to a quite broad variety of music, from classical to hip-hop, from the Middle Ages to bands just coming up now, and that seems true of a bunch of people here).
Sometimes a song just doesn’t take you anywhere you personally want to go.
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Post by mkoasis on May 14, 2021 19:27:08 GMT -5
I don’t mind Holy Mountain but I prefer other songs off the album by quite a bit. HM has some nice things about it but if it didn’t exist I don’t think I’d be too upset. I like every other song on WBTM more, except Fort Knox which I like equally to HM.
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Post by Manualex on May 14, 2021 19:32:37 GMT -5
I don't get it, to me Holy Mountain is the long distant cousin of the Up In The Sky/Round Are Way that exudes just joy, might have more throwaways meaningless lyrics(smell like 1969 😆), but I always love a horn section on Oasis/Noel stuff. Top notch, even if the song might be louder than it should(like most of Oasis stuff), but that helps with the joyfull feelings.
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Post by glider on May 14, 2021 20:17:58 GMT -5
Why was this song titled Holy Mountain? Any ideas?
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2021 22:35:07 GMT -5
Coming back to it, it was an original idea from Noel but it didn't get the result it should have.
The song in itself isn't that far removed from the "average Oasis fanbase taste" (if such thing even exists... for example, The La's are indeed often cited on this forum and rightly so but let's be honest, I bet 75% of the people who own a copy of Definitely Maybe never heard of them).
It's quite a 60's influenced song, I think Noel was going for a psychedlic soul vibe. But it doesn't work for me because the production lacks subtlety and mostly because Noel's voice doesn't work for it, his vocals aren't powerful enough for these kind of tracks, so he ends up forcing way too much.
I wonder what would have been the reaction if Ysee sang it for instance. I think it would have been a pretty good choice for this track.
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Post by girllikeabomb on May 14, 2021 23:07:49 GMT -5
The song in itself isn't that far removed from the "average Oasis fanbase taste" (if such thing even exists... f or example, The La's are indeed often cited on this forum and rightly so but let's be honest, I bet 75% of the people who own a copy of Definitely Maybe never heard of them). Make that 95% if the people are American.  |
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Post by girllikeabomb on May 14, 2021 23:20:10 GMT -5
Why was this song titled Holy Mountain? Any ideas? Supposedly it is titled after the 1970s surrealist art film directed by Alejandro Jodorowsky. Wish it had been a little more inspired by it! But if it sends some NG fans Jodorowsky's way .... here's the (warning: bloody, blasphemous and weird) trailer: |
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Post by walterglass on May 15, 2021 4:47:22 GMT -5
For me it conjures up images of cheap party hats on drunken uncles dancing around in their corduroy pants.
What a silly affair.
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Post by MacaRonic on May 15, 2021 5:36:04 GMT -5
See even this thread is divisive And historically the side that really likes the divisive work tends to “win” out by becoming the predominant opinion. That makes no sense. How does one prove it becomes the predominant opinion? Load of hipster bullsh*t. It’s not like ‘Holy Mountain’ is a ‘Revolution #9’ or something where you either ‘get it’ or ‘don’t get it’, it’s just a straight forward pop song. If it was a really great pop song we wouldn’t be having this discussion. Have you ever seen a thread like this for a song like ‘Live Forever’? |
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Post by Teotihuacan on May 15, 2021 7:18:01 GMT -5
The market won the war or dicussion though, when the record buyer / streamers decided it had quality by making it (according to Noel interviews, I don't follow charts / streams) Noel's biggest solo hit or close to it.
By any such measures, e.g. money made, profile, airplay, Noel's writing, recording and release of this track was an unqualified success.
It just may not have worked, artistically for some people, and that's an utterly valid opinion.
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Post by spaneli on May 15, 2021 7:36:35 GMT -5
And historically the side that really likes the divisive work tends to “win” out by becoming the predominant opinion. That makes no sense. How does one prove it becomes the predominant opinion? Load of hipster bullsh*t. It’s not like ‘Holy Mountain’ is a ‘Revolution #9’ or something where you either ‘get it’ or ‘don’t get it’, it’s just a straight forward pop song. If it was a really great pop song we wouldn’t be having this discussion. Have you ever seen a thread like this for a song like ‘Live Forever’? My area of criticism is film. And this is a pretty common phenomenon in that medium. 30 years ago, the prevailing opinion was that Spielberg’s HOOK — a film no one would have called revolutionary at the time or even now — was bang on terrible. However, that film did have a dedicated group of fans. 30 years later, the opinion of those dedicated group of fans became the dominant opinion: HOOK was actually a really good, fun Spielberg film that was unfairly maligned at the time for reasons that had little to do with the film itself. So it’s not hipster bullsh*t. That’s verifiably how art ages. |
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Post by MacaRonic on May 15, 2021 8:01:58 GMT -5
That makes no sense. How does one prove it becomes the predominant opinion? Load of hipster bullsh*t. It’s not like ‘Holy Mountain’ is a ‘Revolution #9’ or something where you either ‘get it’ or ‘don’t get it’, it’s just a straight forward pop song. If it was a really great pop song we wouldn’t be having this discussion. Have you ever seen a thread like this for a song like ‘Live Forever’? My area of criticism is film. And this is a pretty common phenomenon in that medium. 30 years ago, the prevailing opinion was that Spielberg’s HOOK — a film no one would have called revolutionary at the time or even now — was bang on terrible. However, that film did have a dedicated group of fans. 30 years later, the opinion of those dedicated group of fans became the dominant opinion: HOOK was actually a really good, fun Spielberg film that was unfairly maligned at the time for reasons that had little to do with the film itself. So it’s not hipster bullsh*t. That’s verifiably how art ages. I agree that opinions on any art overall can change in time but it doesn’t necessarily go just one way. As in it’s received bad initially and then eventually the dominant opinion is that it is actually good. That’s just silly. BTW - “Hook” was average In Spielberg’s cannon in 1991 and it’s still bang average now too. It probably looks a little better retrospectively because he’s made plenty worse since. |
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Post by spaneli on May 15, 2021 8:46:50 GMT -5
My area of criticism is film. And this is a pretty common phenomenon in that medium. 30 years ago, the prevailing opinion was that Spielberg’s HOOK — a film no one would have called revolutionary at the time or even now — was bang on terrible. However, that film did have a dedicated group of fans. 30 years later, the opinion of those dedicated group of fans became the dominant opinion: HOOK was actually a really good, fun Spielberg film that was unfairly maligned at the time for reasons that had little to do with the film itself. So it’s not hipster bullsh*t. That’s verifiably how art ages. I agree that opinions on any art overall can change in time but it doesn’t necessarily go just one way. As in it’s received bad initially and then eventually the dominant opinion is that it is actually good. That’s just silly.BTW - “Hook” was average In Spielberg’s cannon in 1991 and it’s still bang average now too. It probably looks a little better retrospectively because he’s made plenty worse since. I never said that. I was referring specifically about divisive art: Holy Mountain wasn't wholly badly received. As others have pointed out, the numbers just don't back that up. At worst it's divisive on this forum. But to the general public, it's clearly one of Noel's most popular solo songs. So it's not going to go from being received badly to the dominant opinion being that it's actually good (you could probably more so argue that the dominant opinion is already that it's good) but there are already signs that ultimately, the modest divisiveness this song has will most likely be mollified in its favor. If I were to continue with the HOOK analogy: Most people forget that the film did well at the box office at the time. It also killed on the VHS market. So though the film might have been deemed divisive at the time, upon closer inspection, you could probably make the case that it's clear popularity was ignored in lieu of the loudness by those who supremely disliked it. Which pretty much tracks with Holy Mountain. |
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Post by MacaRonic on May 15, 2021 9:18:21 GMT -5
I agree that opinions on any art overall can change in time but it doesn’t necessarily go just one way. As in it’s received bad initially and then eventually the dominant opinion is that it is actually good. That’s just silly.BTW - “Hook” was average In Spielberg’s cannon in 1991 and it’s still bang average now too. It probably looks a little better retrospectively because he’s made plenty worse since. I never said that. I was referring specifically about divisive art: Holy Mountain wasn't wholly badly received. As others have pointed out, the numbers just don't back that up. At worst it's divisive on this forum. But to the general public, it's clearly one of Noel's most popular solo songs. So it's not going to go from being received badly to the dominant opinion being that it's actually good (you could probably more so argue that the dominant opinion is already that it's good) but there are already signs that ultimately, the modest divisiveness this song has will most likely be mollified in its favor. If I were to continue with the HOOK analogy: Most people forget that the film did well at the box office at the time. It also killed on the VHS market. So though the film might have been deemed divisive at the time, upon closer inspection, you could probably make the case that it's clear popularity was ignored in lieu of the loudness by those who supremely disliked it. Which pretty much tracks with Holy Mountain. I don’t think this thread is the appropriate place for such a discussion. But anyway, ‘Hook’ was always going to do well at the box office, it’s a Spielberg movie off the back of ‘The Last Crusade’ and in terms of rentals? Yeah it’s a great movie for kids. They ate it up at the time. That’s the problem with it, there isn’t much there for an adult. Compare it to ‘E.T’ and many of his other previous movies or Disney / Pixar movies (who’ve nailed the ‘something for everybody’ angle) and it falls way short in the category. To be honest I’ve never heard anyone say they ‘supremely disliked’ it. Anyone my age who absolutely loves it is definitely being swayed by nostalgia. It’s a passable movie and it’s seen as a passable movie today and I don’t see that changing. The critics and the adult going audience just expected more from Spielberg at the time. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2021 9:37:46 GMT -5
So let's see UK charts positions + youtube views in the last 12 months worldwide. 1. The Death of You and Me (#15, 4 WOC) 2. AKA What A Life (#20, 19 WOC) 3. In The Heat of The Moment (#26, 3 WOC) 4. Holy Mountain (#31, 10 WOC) 5. Ballad of The Mighty I (#54, 4 WOC) 1. In The Heat of The Moment (#7 UK) 2. If I Had A Gun (#1 UK) 3. Ballad of The Mighty I (#3 UK) 4. Everybody's On The Run (#5 UK) 5. Dead In The Water (#4 UK) ... 10. Holy Mountain (#10 UK) charts.youtube.com/artist/%2Fm%2F0gystz9?date_end=2021-05-13T00%3A00%3A00Z&hl=frHoly Mountain indeed did well in the UK charts, as it's one of his most succesful singles there. However if you have to believe the youtube figures, some songs got more popular with the fanbase (Dead In The Water is a good example, with the song being only released as bonus track and now getting more views than most NGHFB singles). |
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Post by defmaybe00 on May 15, 2021 10:09:51 GMT -5
So let's see UK charts positions + youtube views in the last 12 months worldwide. 1. The Death of You and Me (#15, 4 WOC) 2. AKA What A Life (#20, 19 WOC) 3. In The Heat of The Moment (#26, 3 WOC) 4. Holy Mountain (#31, 10 WOC) 5. Ballad of The Mighty I (#54, 4 WOC) 1. In The Heat of The Moment (#7 UK) 2. If I Had A Gun (#1 UK) 3. Ballad of The Mighty I (#3 UK) 4. Everybody's On The Run (#5 UK) 5. Dead In The Water (#4 UK) ... 10. Holy Mountain (#10 UK) charts.youtube.com/artist/%2Fm%2F0gystz9?date_end=2021-05-13T00%3A00%3A00Z&hl=frHoly Mountain indeed did well in the UK charts, as it's one of his most succesful singles there. However if you have to believe the youtube figures, some songs got more popular with the fanbase (Dead In The Water is a good example, with the song being only released as bonus track and now getting more views than most NGHFB singles). When it's all said and done, DITW may be THE song of his solo career Unless it's something that hasn't come out yet, of course |
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Post by oasisgoletitout on May 15, 2021 10:13:29 GMT -5
I dig it. Great tune that was a breath of fresh air.
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Post by defmaybe00 on May 15, 2021 10:19:06 GMT -5
With that said though, Holy Mountain is his third most streamed track on Spotify, had a top 40 peak in the UK and the longest chart run of any post Oasis related single besides just What A Life and Wall Of Glass
It's also in the top 3 best selling HFB tunes
I'd say it's pretty hard to argue against its popularity and importance in the catalogue
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Post by AubreyOasis on May 15, 2021 10:28:30 GMT -5
So let's see UK charts positions + youtube views in the last 12 months worldwide. 1. The Death of You and Me (#15, 4 WOC) 2. AKA What A Life (#20, 19 WOC) 3. In The Heat of The Moment (#26, 3 WOC) 4. Holy Mountain (#31, 10 WOC) 5. Ballad of The Mighty I (#54, 4 WOC) 1. In The Heat of The Moment (#7 UK) 2. If I Had A Gun (#1 UK) 3. Ballad of The Mighty I (#3 UK) 4. Everybody's On The Run (#5 UK) 5. Dead In The Water (#4 UK) ... 10. Holy Mountain (#10 UK) charts.youtube.com/artist/%2Fm%2F0gystz9?date_end=2021-05-13T00%3A00%3A00Z&hl=frHoly Mountain indeed did well in the UK charts, as it's one of his most succesful singles there. However if you have to believe the youtube figures, some songs got more popular with the fanbase (Dead In The Water is a good example, with the song being only released as bonus track and now getting more views than most NGHFB singles). In Spotify, HM is already his 3rd most streamed solo song, after ITHOTM and IIHAG, more than doubling Dead in the water (25M vs 9,8M) Also, it charted for 10 weeks, much more than any of his singles except WAL |
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