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Post by paperbackwriter on Mar 16, 2021 19:14:11 GMT -5
Sorry if this is already an open and shut case, but I saw this being brought up on Facebook and it got me wondering...
Alan White has not talked to the media, but it is well known that, as with Tony, he didn't leave on good terms. He also doesn't appear in the Supersonic doc at all. Not one frame (am I wrong)
Is it possible that the reason that Knebworth, Gmex, Finsbury etc never get released is because he won't authorize the use of his image?
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Post by Thedaftstrangler on Mar 17, 2021 2:33:34 GMT -5
im not sure why he wouldnt authorize the use of footage containing him. but it definetly has something to do with the terms that he left on.
ive read tones of shit as to why he left; shit like Liam was pissed off at the way he acted in the fight in 2002 in Munich; didn't like the use of drum loops in songs etc
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Post by matt on Mar 17, 2021 3:34:28 GMT -5
The sacking of Alan White (or the very least, the ushering out of him by Noel and Liam) is one of the very worst decisions they made. Here's a band that didn't do anything to get away from the Beatles tribute band criticisms by then hiring that band's son and then writing a load of Beatlesque bollocks on the forthcoming albums.
For all Noel's expanded musical palette these days (and I commend him for it), the narrow narrow tastes of him and the band really was the nail in the coffin for Oasis.
Alan White brought a lot of polish to those performances. He was the antithesis of the lumbering plodders that the band became obsessed with.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Mar 17, 2021 4:04:21 GMT -5
The sacking of Alan White (or the very least, the ushering out of him by Noel and Liam) is one of the very worst decisions they made. Here's a band that didn't do anything to get away from the Beatles tribute band criticisms by then hiring that band's son and then writing a load of Beatlesque bollocks on the forthcoming albums. For all Noel's expanded musical palette these days (and I commend him for it), the narrow narrow tastes of him and the band really was the nail in the coffin for Oasis. Alan White brought a lot of polish to those performances. He was the antithesis of the lumbering plodders that the band became obsessed with. I love Alan White best as Oasis drummers go but perhaps a bit unfair to Zak here, who has his own identity beyond being "that band's son." I doubt he was hired solely for the Starkey name (which already by that time few kids connected with The Beatles). He's a good drummer, looked cool and he had already admirably filled essentially impossible shoes, fitting into the wild and woolly interpersonal dynamics of The Who ... which was clearly a useful trait for Oasis, even if he still eventually got the boot. (Pandemic aside, Zak still plays stadiums around the world the size of which the Gallaghers can only dream of these days.) Don't think many would describe him as a lumbering plodder with The Who either, albeit he's not the one-in-a-trillion force of nature that Keith Moon was but of course no one is. He just wasn't really right for Oasis. |
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Post by matt on Mar 17, 2021 4:37:03 GMT -5
The sacking of Alan White (or the very least, the ushering out of him by Noel and Liam) is one of the very worst decisions they made. Here's a band that didn't do anything to get away from the Beatles tribute band criticisms by then hiring that band's son and then writing a load of Beatlesque bollocks on the forthcoming albums. For all Noel's expanded musical palette these days (and I commend him for it), the narrow narrow tastes of him and the band really was the nail in the coffin for Oasis. Alan White brought a lot of polish to those performances. He was the antithesis of the lumbering plodders that the band became obsessed with. I love Alan White best as Oasis drummers go but perhaps a bit unfair to Zak here, who has his own identity beyond being "that band's son." I doubt he was hired solely for the Starkey name (which already by that time few kids connected with The Beatles). He's a good drummer, looked cool and he had already admirably filled essentially impossible shoes, fitting into the wild and woolly interpersonal dynamics of The Who ... which was clearly a useful trait for Oasis, even if he still eventually got the boot. (Pandemic aside, Zak still plays stadiums around the world the size of which the Gallaghers can only dream of these days.) Don't think many would describe him as a lumbering plodder with The Who either, albeit he's not the one-in-a-trillion force of nature that Keith Moon was but of course no one is. He just wasn't really right for Oasis. In fairness, you are spot on. I stand corrected. And good point regarding The Who, I'm no fan so certainly not knowledgeable enough but everyone knows it would have to be a quality replacement for Keith Moon. I suppose the drumming issue is simply down to the poor compositions on offer. |
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Post by Flashbax on Mar 17, 2021 6:33:44 GMT -5
Alan White is a great drummer, but I don't like his playing during/after the Giants tour. Zak was interesting to me Chris was perfect. They did sound really good during the DOYS tour. They nailed songs like Slide Away, Half the World Away and Champagne Supernova, and a great ending on I Am the Walrus.
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Post by goletitout1986 on Mar 17, 2021 6:52:47 GMT -5
Alan is THE Oasis drummer.
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Post by tiger40 on Mar 17, 2021 13:52:54 GMT -5
Alan White is ok and he was a big improvement for Oasis after Tony Mccarroll. However, I certainly don't think that Alan was the best Oasis drummer by any means, Chris Sharrock was the best by far and as for Zak Starkey he was good too but he was committed to The Who rather than Oasis.
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Post by Binary Sunset on Mar 17, 2021 16:52:17 GMT -5
Alan White is ok and he was a big improvement for Oasis after Tony Mccarroll. However, I certainly don't think that Alan was the best Oasis drummer by any means, Chris Sharrock was the best by far and as for Zak Starkey he was good too but he was committed to The Who rather than Oasis. Not the best drummer, but definitely the best drummer for Oasis. Although he did decline towards the end of his tenure. Zak Starkey played the older songs pretty terribly IMO, and don't really consider Sharrock an actual member considering he played on no albums (although he was a good mix of being able to play everything well) |
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Post by girllikeabomb on Mar 17, 2021 21:37:16 GMT -5
Sorry if this is already an open and shut case, but I saw this being brought up on Facebook and it got me wondering... Alan White has not talked to the media, but it is well known that, as with Tony, he didn't leave on good terms. He also doesn't appear in the Supersonic doc at all. Not one frame (am I wrong) Is it possible that the reason that Knebworth, Gmex, Finsbury etc never get released is because he won't authorize the use of his image? Getting back to your original question, I wonder if times might be changing ...? With Alan merrily playing Oasis songs on his Instagram and even on a few occasions posting on Bonehead and Liam's Instagrams, it seems that ... maybe ... all that dirty water might be flowing under the bridge. Or maybe just some of it has. I guess time may tell. Actually, I respect that he has never tried to grab the limelight by telling tales (which I'm sure he has aplenty), but he should also get his due. |
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Post by paperbackwriter on Mar 18, 2021 8:07:48 GMT -5
Sorry if this is already an open and shut case, but I saw this being brought up on Facebook and it got me wondering... Alan White has not talked to the media, but it is well known that, as with Tony, he didn't leave on good terms. He also doesn't appear in the Supersonic doc at all. Not one frame (am I wrong) Is it possible that the reason that Knebworth, Gmex, Finsbury etc never get released is because he won't authorize the use of his image? Getting back to your original question, I wonder if times might be changing ...? With Alan merrily playing Oasis songs on his Instagram and even on a few occasions posting on Bonehead and Liam's Instagrams, it seems that ... maybe ... all that dirty water might be flowing under the bridge. Or maybe just some of it has. I guess time may tell. Actually, I respect that he has never tried to grab the limelight by telling tales (which I'm sure he has aplenty), but he should also get his due. My "concern" was actually more to do with him maybe not authorizing the use of his image, thus making it impossible to officially release any of the classic gigs we know and love. To your point, though, a reunion will never happen, but if it did, I couldnt care less about who the drummer was, tbh |
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Post by nutsngum on Mar 18, 2021 10:44:57 GMT -5
The rumours of why he left range from
- He missed a band meeting in 2003 which was about the troubles they had recording DBTT. Noel especially has painted it as a 'make or break' meeting for the band, and wasn't happy that Alan didn't turn up (possibly on holiday?).
- The tendonitis in his hand changed his playing style/affected them live
- He was unhappy at the amount of drum loops being used/being buried in the mix.
I think a crucial point though, is unlike Andy and Gem - Alan was a director for the touring company (Definitely Maybe Touring LTD), the merchandising, and Big Brother records. He will therefore have been taking a much greater percentage of profits than Andy and Gem, and crucially, a drummer like Zak that they could pay a flat fee to.
If Liam and Noel started to have any doubts about Alan - maybe they'd jump at the first excuse to get rid of him?
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Post by oasisunited on Mar 18, 2021 11:22:43 GMT -5
The rumours of why he left range from - He missed a band meeting in 2003 which was about the troubles they had recording DBTT. Noel especially has painted it as a 'make or break' meeting for the band, and wasn't happy that Alan didn't turn up (possibly on I don't believe that was a one off. Noel was famously miffed that Alan "couldn't get out of bed" to come to the Water Rats press conference after Guigsy and Bonehead quit. Noel has mentioned a few times that Alan was not the most reliable with regards to showing up on time, for whatever reason. I also remember Noel around that time complaining that Alan's personal life was a mess and starting to impact his availability to the band, as Alan was going through a divorce. That's all not to say that Noel didn't use all of the above as an excuse to cut Alan out, but I think it's an over simplification to blame his sacking on missing one meeting in 2003. |
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Post by stinenat on Mar 18, 2021 13:39:10 GMT -5
I could be totally wrong, but I thought Alan White got sacked because they figured out he was the one who leaked Heathen Chemistry.
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Post by tiger40 on Mar 18, 2021 14:31:41 GMT -5
I think that it probably was a few reasons why they got rid of Alan White and I remember reading Noel's version at the time about Alan going on holiday or something like that. But whatever the reason or reasons I'm glad that they got rid of him when they did.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Mar 18, 2021 15:36:28 GMT -5
Sorry if this is already an open and shut case, but I saw this being brought up on Facebook and it got me wondering... Alan White has not talked to the media, but it is well known that, as with Tony, he didn't leave on good terms. He also doesn't appear in the Supersonic doc at all. Not one frame (am I wrong) Is it possible that the reason that Knebworth, Gmex, Finsbury etc never get released is because he won't authorize the use of his image? Getting back to your original question, I wonder if times might be changing ...? With Alan merrily playing Oasis songs on his Instagram and even on a few occasions posting on Bonehead and Liam's Instagrams, it seems that ... maybe ... all that dirty water might be flowing under the bridge. Or maybe just some of it has. I guess time may tell. Actually, I respect that he has never tried to grab the limelight by telling tales (which I'm sure he has aplenty), but he should also get his due. He did say replying to someone under his posts that he’s on good terms with everyone now I wonder if something changed after Supersonic came out? |
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Post by girllikeabomb on Mar 18, 2021 16:35:35 GMT -5
Getting back to your original question, I wonder if times might be changing ...? With Alan merrily playing Oasis songs on his Instagram and even on a few occasions posting on Bonehead and Liam's Instagrams, it seems that ... maybe ... all that dirty water might be flowing under the bridge. Or maybe just some of it has. I guess time may tell. Actually, I respect that he has never tried to grab the limelight by telling tales (which I'm sure he has aplenty), but he should also get his due. My "concern" was actually more to do with him maybe not authorizing the use of his image, thus making it impossible to officially release any of the classic gigs we know and love. To your point, though, a reunion will never happen, but if it did, I couldnt care less about who the drummer was, tbh I wasn't speaking about a reunion, either (although I don't say it won't ever happen since I believe it's an open question so long as both brothers are alive as life is such that it is constantly changing)... BUT obviously if Alan is looking back now with more fondness on Oasis times, he is potentially going to be more open to participating in Oasis history projects in one way or another. That was my point, though it is of course pure speculation. The only thing I know for sure is that Alan has been talking about (and playing) Oasis more than he has in the past. It's a myth that time heals all wounds ... but it does sometimes cover them enough that you appreciate everything else more. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 18, 2021 16:49:10 GMT -5
The walrus was Alan.
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Post by andymorris on Mar 19, 2021 1:52:22 GMT -5
Who knows ? But usually, drummers are very unreliable right  Anyone who's been in a band can testify. They live in their own universe. |
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Post by themanwithnoname on Mar 19, 2021 3:08:55 GMT -5
I could be totally wrong, but I thought Alan White got sacked because they figured out he was the one who leaked Heathen Chemistry. Yeah, that’s what I always thought. And the SOTSOG demos. |
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Post by thewhiteshadow on Mar 25, 2021 11:45:04 GMT -5
Alan is an amazing drummer, jazzy, rocking and solid. Using different rhythms and different rythms on his ride symbal for every single song.
When Bonehead and Guigs left Oasis the band still sounded huge, because Alan was there. He went through thick and thin with the band and when he left/got sacked Oasis never sounded the same to me personally. It all went downhill after 2003
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Post by popeyebonaparte on Mar 29, 2021 4:12:44 GMT -5
I once spoke to a person who had been friends with Steve White and I asked him about Alan. First of all, he said he was a really lovely guy, that he'd met him a bunch of times and since leaving Oasis he had made his living in real estate!
I asked him about the Oasis departue, whether he had been fired or left and this person immediately said "Oh no, he left" and then elaborated something along the lines of "He just thought, I've had enough of this. I don't like Noel. I don't really like Liam. I can leave now, I've got money and I can go into real estate and that's what he did." I'm paraphrashing.
Obviously this is one person's account which may be biased and even if what he says is true, that would be Alan's version of events so it all needs to be taken with a pinch of salt.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 29, 2021 9:28:56 GMT -5
Fucking love Whitey.
Because I was a wee lad in 1994, and thus never had a connection to Tony, I somewhat consider Whitey as an original member - he slotted in seamlessly, and was the perfect addition to the band.
I think the closest we got to him was Chris - same kind of style imo. Could never get into Starky (although the Beatles connection is amusing),
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Post by beatlesandstones on Mar 30, 2021 8:57:02 GMT -5
To me the best drummer in Oasis was his brother Steve White....but I prefer Alan, because he really was part of Oasis.
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Post by goletitout1986 on Mar 30, 2021 10:23:27 GMT -5
I once spoke to a person who had been friends with Steve White and I asked him about Alan. First of all, he said he was a really lovely guy, that he'd met him a bunch of times and since leaving Oasis he had made his living in real estate! I asked him about the Oasis departue, whether he had been fired or left and this person immediately said "Oh no, he left" and then elaborated something along the lines of "He just thought, I've had enough of this. I don't like Noel. I don't really like Liam. I can leave now, I've got money and I can go into real estate and that's what he did." I'm paraphrashing. Obviously this is one person's account which may be biased and even if what he says is true, that would be Alan's version of events so it all needs to be taken with a pinch of salt. Surprised to hear that part about Liam. |
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